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A Republican state rep can't take it any more.

Andy McKean, an Iowa state legislator, has abandoned the Rs because he just can't support Trump. He's written this piece in The Atlantic: it's worth reading the whole thing, but here's a little slice:
I believe that it is just a matter of time before our country pays a heavy price for President Donald Trump’s reckless spending and shortsighted financial policies; his erratic, destabilizing foreign policy; and his disdain and disregard for environmental concerns.
I think he has distilled it down to one very succinct sentence.

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The worst thing is the single handed destruction of our constitutional safeguards caused by congressional Republicans need to cow-tow to Trump and his obvious corruption.

Re: Beto he lost most of his shine when all of his idolaters realized he wasn’t the progressive dream they thought he was but a Democrat who could possibly win in Texas.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Warren seemed to be casting about on almost daily basis for some high-profile issue to stand out from the pack with; tossing out one after another after another (if it's Tuesday, it must be Let's Break Up Google Day) without doing much to move her numbers...
Which is a pretty snarky way of saying that she has concentrated on actual issues that affect actual people, and on repeatedly offering concrete, detailed policy proposals to address those issues. I know you dislike her, Jim (and you've said repeatedly that you could never vote for her)—but, agree or disagree, please don't put her down just because she wants to be judged on her positions rather than superficial and ill-defined concepts like personality, temperament, or electability.
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The 2020 Democratic Debate Schedule
https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews. ... -schedule/

Early on I contributed to Pete Buttigieg's campaign to make sure he got a top tier debate position. He'll now have to prove he can go the distance.

I still feel that a Biden / Warren ticket would offer the best challenge to Lord Dampnut. Regardless, if the Dems don't rally around the chosen nominee... we're doomed to four more years of the porn star president.
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I think I would like a Warren/Buttigieg ticket for 2020.
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:ok That would be my dream ticket, too...but I'd vote for any Democrat who gets the nomination.
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Okay, here we go...

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My biggest fear is that Trump will never die.

Heaven won't have him, and Satan doesn't want the competition.
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Our Orlando Sentinel endorsement for president in 2020: Not Donald Trump | Editorial

By Orlando Sentinel Editorial Board
For the 2020 election, the Orlando Sentinel will not endorse President Donald Trump for re-election. The nation must do better.
Donald Trump is in Orlando to announce the kickoff of his re-election campaign.

We’re here to announce our endorsement for president in 2020, or, at least, who we’re not endorsing: Donald Trump.

Some readers will wonder how we could possibly eliminate a candidate so far before an election, and before knowing the identity of his opponent.

Because there’s no point pretending we would ever recommend that readers vote for Trump.

After 2½ years we’ve seen enough.

Enough of the chaos, the division, the schoolyard insults, the self-aggrandizement, the corruption, and especially the lies.

So many lies — from white lies to whoppers — told out of ignorance, laziness, recklessness, expediency or opportunity.

Trump’s capacity for lying isn’t the surprise here, though the frequency is.

It’s the tolerance so many Americans have for it.

There was a time when even a single lie — a phony college degree, a bogus work history — would doom a politician’s career.

Not so for Trump, who claimed in 2017 that he lost the popular vote because millions of people voted illegally (they didn’t). In 2018 he said North Korea was no longer a nuclear threat (it is). And in 2019 he said windmills cause cancer (they don’t). Just last week he claimed the media fabricated unfavorable results from his campaign’s internal polling (it didn’t).


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According to a Washington Post database, the president has tallied more than 10,000 lies since he took office.

Trump’s successful assault on truth is the great casualty of this presidency, followed closely by his war on decency.

Trump insults political opponents and national heroes alike with middle-school taunts. He demonstrates no capacity for empathy or remorse. He misuses his office to punish opponents, as when he recently called for a boycott of AT&T to get even with his least favorite media outlet, CNN. He tears down institutions, once airily suggesting the U.S. should try having a leader for life as China now allows. He seems incapable of learning a lesson, telling an ABC interviewer last week — just two months after Robert Mueller’s report on election interference was released — that he would accept dirt on an opponent from Russia or China.


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Trump has diminished our standing in the world. He reneges on deals, attacks allies and embraces enemies.

This nation must never forget that humiliating public moment in Helsinki in 2018 when the president of the United States chose to accept Vladimir Putin’s denials of Russian interference in the 2016 election over the unanimous assessment of the American intelligence community.

Such a betrayal by a U.S. president would have been the unforgivable political sin in normal times.

As if that’s not enough, Trump declares his love for North Korea’s Kim Jong-un, a genuine villain who starves and enslaves his people and executes his enemies with antiaircraft guns and flamethrowers.

But he wrote the president a “beautiful letter.” Flattery will get you everywhere with this president, and that’s dangerous.

Domestically, the president’s signature issue — immigration — has moved in fits and starts. Happily, he abandoned pursuing an outright — and unconstitutional — ban on Muslims entering the U.S., opting instead to restrict travel for people from a handful of nations, most of them majority Muslim.

He’s tried separating families, sending troops to the border and declaring a national emergency. For all of that, illegal border crossings are, as the president himself calls it, at crisis levels.

He blames House Democrats because casting blame is Trump’s forte. But Republicans controlled the House and the Senate for two full years. That seemed like an ideal time to fix what the president believes ails our immigration laws.

Even with Democrats now controlling the House, where is Trump’s much-touted deal-making mojo, an attribute he campaigned on?

Yes, the market has done well since Trump’s election.

The S&P 500 was up about 21% between Trump’s inauguration and May 31 of his third year in office. Under President Obama, it was up about 56% in that same period.

Unemployment is headed down, as it was during seven straight years under Obama.

Wages are up, and that’s a welcome change. But GDP increases so far are no better than some periods under Obama. Deficit spending under Obama was far too high, in part because of the stimulus needed to dig out of the Great Recession. Under Trump, it’s still headed in the wrong direction, once again pushing $1 trillion even though the economy is healthy.

Trump seems to care nothing about the deficit and the national debt, which once breathed life into the Tea Party.

Through all of this, Trump’s base remains loyal. Sadly, the truest words Trump might ever have spoken was when he said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose his supporters.

This non-endorsement isn’t defaulting to whomever the Democrats choose. This newspaper has a history of presidential appointments favoring Republicans starting in the mid-20th century. Except for Lyndon Johnson in 1964, the Sentinel backed Republican presidential nominees from 1952 through 2004, when we recommended John Kerry over another four years of George W. Bush.

As recently as 2012 we recommended Republican Mitt Romney because of what seemed at the time to be Obama’s failure to adequately manage the nation’s finances.

If — however unlikely — a Republican like Romney, now a senator from Utah, or former Ohio Gov. John Kasich successfully primaried the president, we would eagerly give them a look. Same if an independent candidate mounted a legitimate campaign.

We’d even consider backing Trump if, say, he found the proverbial cure for cancer or — about as likely — changed the essence of who he is (he won’t).

The nation must endure another 1½ years of Trump. But it needn’t suffer another four beyond that.

We can do better. We have to do better.

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I was just about to post that editorial...

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This newspaper has a history of presidential appointments favoring Republicans starting in the mid-20th century.
Why do I think that this will be lost on those who are most in need of getting the message of this editorial?
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Obviously the editorial board of The Orlando Sentinel is comprised of a bunch of elitist commie seditious Democrats...

Just like me...
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Why do I think that this will be lost on those who are most in need of getting the message of this editorial?
Easy, because most of Trump's supporters like him for precisely the same reasons that the Sentinel is criticizing him. They love his lies because it pisses "them" off, cheer the way he always speaks his mind without any restraint, and think the US is infinitely better off with him than without him. These are his core supporters, and to them Trump is like the forbidden fruit that they maintain they will eat despite what anyone else says.

I would hope some of the others who gave him the close, but losing, percentage of the popular vote would reassess him, but it appears they support him because the economy is doing "so well" , although it doesn't really appear that way to me (and Trump's part in getting it jumpstarted is no where to be found; I'll agree he didn't screw up the natural cycle after the recession (just as Obama didn't), but not much more).

Add to that the fact that the Sentinel is a paper in Orlando (admittedly the seat of Disney, but not much else) and most couldn't even name one person on the editorial board, and I'm surprised anyone cares.

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Lord Jim wrote:Obviously the editorial board of The Orlando Sentinel is comprised of a bunch of elitist commie seditious Democrats...

Just like me...
And just like George Will, too.
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Big RR wrote:
Why do I think that this will be lost on those who are most in need of getting the message of this editorial?
Easy, because most of Trump's supporters like him for precisely the same reasons that the Sentinel is criticizing him. They love his lies because it pisses "them" off, cheer the way he always speaks his mind without any restraint, and think the US is infinitely better off with him than without him. These are his core supporters, and to them Trump is like the forbidden fruit that they maintain they will eat despite what anyone else says.

I would hope some of the others who gave him the close, but losing, percentage of the popular vote would reassess him, but it appears they support him because the economy is doing "so well" , although it doesn't really appear that way to me (and Trump's part in getting it jumpstarted is no where to be found; I'll agree he didn't screw up the natural cycle after the recession (just as Obama didn't), but not much more).

Add to that the fact that the Sentinel is a paper in Orlando (admittedly the seat of Disney, but not much else) and most couldn't even name one person on the editorial board, and I'm surprised anyone cares.
People care because the Trumpanzee carried Florida by about 120,000 votes. So a 65K vote swing there, and a 30K vote swing in Pennsylvania, and the election results would have been different.
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Certainly, and I also agree that the editorial sets forth and supports its position strongly and effectively; I just don't know how many people care what their local paper's editorial board thinks, especially about national issues. I hope it would have a bigger effect than I think it will, but I'm not holding my breath. George Will's position might likely carry a lot more weight.

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Guinevere wrote:
Lord Jim wrote:Obviously the editorial board of The Orlando Sentinel is comprised of a bunch of elitist commie seditious Democrats...

Just like me...
And just like George Will, too.
And Ana Navarro, Mike Murphy, Nicole Wallace, Bill Kristol, Steve Schmidt, SE Cupp, Michael Steele, Joe Scarborough, Tara Setmayer...

A real bunch of America-hating pinkos...
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Well maybe Billy Kristol; wasn't he in When Harry Met Sally?

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