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Wes, Have You Been Busy The Last Few Days?

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(no word yet on whether the addresses were written using all lower case letters....)
Pipe Bombs Sent to Clintons, Obama and CNN Offices

Pipe bombs were sent to former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as to CNN’s offices in New York, sparking an intense investigation on Wednesday into whether a bomber is going after targets that have often been the subject of right-wing ire.

A law enforcement official said the three devices were similar to one found Monday at the home of George Soros, the billionaire philanthropist and liberal donor.

None of the devices harmed anyone. Law enforcement officials said they were investigating whether all the devices were sent by the same person or persons. [No, it's probably just a remarkable coincidence]

Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama, Mr. Soros and CNN have all figured prominently in conservative political attacks — many of which have been led by President Trump. He has often referred to major news organizations as “the enemy of the people,” and has had a particular animus for CNN.

The device sent to CNN was in a manila envelope addressed to John Brennan, who was the C.I.A. director in the Obama administration and is a harsh critic of Mr. Trump. The president revoked Mr. Brennan’s security clearance in what was seen as an act of retribution.

The return address bore the name of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Florida congresswoman and a former Democratic National Committee chairwoman, according to a person who saw a photograph of the envelope. The device sent to Mr. Soros was in a similar envelope also with a printed return address label with her name.

Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said at a news conference that his office in Manhattan had also received a device, but it was not immediately clear if it was related to the other three devices. [Apparently whoever has been doing this this also tried to send one to Eric Holder, but got the address wrong.]

In a statement, the White House condemned “the attempted violent attacks.”

“These terrorizing acts are despicable, and anyone responsible will be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law,” the statement said. “The United States Secret Service and other law enforcement agencies are investigating and will take all appropriate actions to protect anyone threatened by these cowards.”

The first inkling that there might be a serial bomber came Wednesday morning when the Secret Service revealed that it had “intercepted two suspicious packages addressed to Secret Service protectees,” who were Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama.

The device addressed to Mrs. Clinton in Westchester County, north of New York City, was found late on Tuesday by a Secret Service employee who screens mail for her, the statement said. The package addressed to Mr. Obama was intercepted early on Wednesday by Secret Service personnel in Washington.

Shortly after the Secret Service made that announcement, the Time Warner Center, a major office complex in Midtown Manhattan, was evacuated after a similar device was discovered to have been sent to CNN’s offices there.

A senior law enforcement official in New York, describing the device sent to CNN, said the device intercepted in CNN’s basement mailroom resembled the others: “Same package. Same device.”

That device sent to CNN was constructed from a length of pipe a little longer than six inches and wrapped in black tape with what appeared to be epoxy on the ends, according to a person who had seen a photograph of it. What could be a timer was attached to the side of the pipe and wires were visible at both ends. Like the bomb sent to Mr. Soros’s home, the envelope it arrived in was roughly 5-by-8 inches and had a printed white address label and half a dozen first-class postage stamps affixed to the outside.

On Wednesday afternoon, New York City’s police commissioner, James P. O’Neill, said the CNN bomb was “a live explosive device.” [so these are not fake bombs being sent]The package that contained the device also included white powder that the police were testing to determine if it is toxic.

While the investigation is in its earliest stages, the recovery on Wednesday of three of the devices and the envelopes that contained them could potentially provide federal agents with a trove of leads and evidence. It could allow them to assess the sophistication of, and care taken, by the person or persons who built and mailed the bombs.

Bomb technicians will likely seek to defuse the devices and try to determine where their components were purchased or the bombs were made.

Evidence technicians will try and recover possible traces of DNA and fingerprints from the components and the envelopes that contained the bombs.

Federal agents with the United States Postal Inspection Service will likely play an important role in the investigation, examining the postage and postmarks. If they can determine where they were mailed from, investigators will examine surveillance video at post offices and around blue letter boxes where the packages may have been deposited.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyre ... evice.html

There may still be more of these out there (while I was preparing this post, I heard a report on CNN that another one of these pipe bombs had been found at a postal transit location in Maryland that handles mail bound for Congressional offices)

The White House has for the moment issued an appropriate statement, but I don't suspect it will be long before Trump starts claiming that the Democrats themselves sent these packages...
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Yep, it's only a matter of time; the man can't help himself.

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The White House has for the moment issued an appropriate statement, but I don't suspect long it will be before Trump starts claiming that the Democrats themselves sent these packages...
When I first heard about this on the radio this morning, there were two people talking about it. One said it appears it was someone targeting democrats. Then the other said, "Or someone who wants it to look like the democrats are being attacked."
(no word yet on whether the addresses were written using all lower case letters....)
Very clever. I just saw that he used ALL CAPS for the addresses on the packages. If wesw sent them, that was a very clever misdirection maneuver...

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Very clever. I just saw that he used ALL CAPS for the addresses on the packages. If wesw sent them, that was a very clever misdirection maneuver...
Wow, that pretty much proves it was wes...

Do you want to call the FBI, or should I? 8-)
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Not so much a joking matter, huh?

I mean really, this is pretty horrific - this is what we've come to, and it's directly related to the violence condoning and encouraging hate filled rhetoric spewed on a near daily basis by our President.

And echoed here prolifically by one of his most stalwart supporters. But, he's a fine person.

Sad.


eta: Thank heavens none of these devices detonated, hopefully there aren't more and nobody will be hurt. And here's hoping our Fuhrer doesn't use this as his Reichstag fire.
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I just heard Trump address this himself in remarks that were obviously written for him, and he stayed on script sounding like a normal President would...

But I think it really is just a matter of time before he starts tweeting or speaking in front of his peeps trying to pin this on the Dems...

However given the nature of the evidence, there's likely to be a pretty small window for false flag conspiracies...

As the NYT article I posted points out, with so many unopened packages and unexploded devices (and CCTV evidence that may be gleaned from the hand delivery to the Soros compound) there should be a huge amount of forensic evidence available to help nail whoever is responsible for this...

Especially since the indications are that the perp or perps (and given the history of this kind of domestic terrorism in this country, I strongly suspect it will turnout to be either a single individual or a very small group...maybe two or three...involved) did their homework about some things, but were clearly not skilled professionals...(Misspelling Brennan's name and getting Eric Holder's address wrong for example, are not mistakes a true pro would have made.)

Plus the devices do not appear to show a very high degree of sophistication...

Folks like this tend to make a lot rookie mistakes, talk to people, and leave an evidence trail...

I'd be surprised with the amount of investigatory resources being applied to this and the amount of evidence available if they don't have at least one strong suspect nailed down within a matter of days...

ETA:

It's now being reported that the bomb found at the Congressional mail center in Maryland was adressed to Maxine Waters...

It really does look like whoever did this was working from Donald Trump's Favorite Attack Target List....
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From the CNN website:
1 hr 38 min ago
The chances that a piece of mail actually contains a bomb average less than one in 10 billion

From CNN's Saeed Ahmed

Despite today's news, a mail bomb is still an extremely rare occurrence -- and that's why it's noteworthy that officials are dealing with several potential bombs today.

Here's how rare it is: According to the US Postal Inspection Service, the postal service processes more than 170 billion pieces of mail every year. Over the last few years, the number of mail bombs inspectors have investigated? An average of 16. That, according to the agency, works out to be an average of less than 1 in 10 billion.
I loved that "according to the agency" line. Let's see: 170 billion divided by 16 - yup, that's just over 10 billion. Better check my arithmetic with the feds.

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But I think it really is just a matter of time before he starts tweeting or speaking in front of his peeps trying to pin this on the Dems...
If not today, I hear he is scheduled to go to a rally tomorrow night--I can't wait to hear what he says then.

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Actually, he's got a rally tonight in Wisconsin:
Donald Trump returns to Wisconsin's 'Trump Country' Wednesday night for key rally ahead of midterm election

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/pol ... 731880002/
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Well then, it's just a matter of hours before his idiocy kicks in. Or he could make a fool of himself before the rally. I give each about 50/50.

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Very clever. I just saw that he used ALL CAPS for the addresses on the packages. If wesw sent them, that was a very clever misdirection maneuver...
Lord Jim wrote:Wow, that pretty much proves it was wes...

Do you want to call the FBI, or should I? 8-)
I have a second suspect and I've reported wesw and him to the FBI. I can't say the other person's name but he turned 54 recently and he once claimed that he worked for Timothy Geithner.

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I'm not sure where I read this but I think it may have been FOX News online. It's been reported that all of the explosive devices sent to prominent Democrat sympathizers over the last few days were actually made and delivered by leftist liberals on behest of ex-DNC head, Debbie Wasserman Shultz, in order to make it appear that Trump Republican Nationalists are to blame, and to counter the wonderful civic minded efforts by Trump's minions who are doing their best in securing a safe voting environment at the polls for the mid-term election.

Police fell short in accusing a handful of misguided Democrats trying to make it appear that Trump somehow is sowing a message of party division and divisiveness, and to make these special patriots looking like thugs and ne'er-do-wells.

However, just to play it safe I decided to sleep in and not vote on November 6th. Exercising my franchise just isn't worth it anymore.

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The bombs were sent by the M-13 and terrorist Muslim operatives that are headed for our southern border. Trump announced that one of the pipes in a pipe bomb had a sticker on it that said, "Hecho en Honduras - inspected by M-13".

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Well, now we know who to blame...

It's the media's fault:
Trump called for unity in the wake of bomb attempts — then blamed the media

President Donald Trump sounded more somber than usual as he kicked off a Mosinee, Wisconsin, rally on Wednesday. It didn’t take him long to turn a call for unity in the face of political violence into a jab at the media and an allusion to Democratic “mobs.”

The news of the day was dominated by attempts to send pipe bombs to high-profile Democrats — including former Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, former Attorney General Eric Holder, former CIA Director John Brennan, and billionaire and philanthropist George Soros. All were sent packages containing “potentially destructive devices.” (The package addressed to Brennan was sent to CNN, and the package addressed to Holder ended up at the Florida office of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the former Democratic National Committee chair.)

After two years of encouraging his crowds to “lock her up” (and once tweeting a video in which he body-slammed a man with a CNN logo superimposed on his face to the ground), Trump was the one calling for an end to political violence.

His prescription was calling for unity — and then blaming the media.

“Any acts or threats of political violence are an attack on our democracy, itself,” Trump said. “No nation can succeed that tolerates violence or the threat of violence as a method of political intimidation, coercion, or control.”

Right after asking the country to come together, Trump sounded off on the media for what he characterized as sowing divisiveness.

“As part of a larger national effort to bridge our divides and bring people together, the media also has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories,” Trump said. “Have to do it. They’ve got to stop.”

Trump also appeared to foist some of the blame for the heightened tension on Democrats. Though he did not mention the party by name (or note that many of those targeted were Democrats or had served in Democratic administrations), the president alluded to “mobs,” something he has clearly tied to the Democratic Party in his pre-midterms messaging of “jobs not mobs.”

“We should not mob people in public spaces or destroy public property,” Trump said at the rally. “No one should carelessly compare political opponents to historical villains, which is done often.” (Earlier this week, Trump’s Council of Economic Advisers released a report on socialism that compared Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders to Mao Zedong and Joseph Stalin.) “It’s done all the time,” Trump said. “Got to stop.”

Trump took no responsibility for the tone of the political discourse.
More:

https://www.vox.com/2018/10/24/18021042 ... -democrats

Trump has called for "unity" before...

Trump's definition of "unity" of course is for the press to end its (fact based) critical reporting and investigations of him and join the unquestioning propaganda chorus on his behalf... :loon

Trump bemoaning the lack of civility in public discourse is like the skunk complaining about how bad everybody at the picnic smells...
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And give him a bit more time; he sounded pretty good after the first Kavanaugh hearing re the allegations of sexual abuse, but then he just couldn't help himself at a rally a few days later. So I am pretty sure this mock conciliatory, "for the good of the nation" tone won't last; the man just can't stop it.

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Bull shit it was not Wes. Where would he get the explosive? Do you have any idea how many shotgun shells one would have to open to get enough gunpowder for a single bomb? That would leave one hell of a paper trail. The same would be true for buying bulk gunpowder for reloading. The safe way to make bombs would be to make your own explosive and I don’t think Wes has the skill or knowledge or resources. It would be much more likely Robuto is the bomber. He would at least know how to make the explosive.


True one could make potassium nitrate the key ingredient in black powder from chicken shit. But could you see Wes with a hug pile chicken shit and wood ashes in his backyard. It would be smelled all over the neighbor. How would he explain that?
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could you see Wes with a hug pile chicken shit
You may have a point there lib...

He shovels so much of it onto this board, his supply may be running a little low...
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