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Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:51 am
by Guinevere
This should concern every single one of you:
WASHINGTON — President Trump took the exceedingly rare step of suspending the White House credentials of Jim Acosta, the chief White House correspondent for CNN, on Wednesday after an intense verbal clash at a news conference earlier in the day.

During a testy session with reporters after Tuesday’s midterm elections, Mr. Trump recognized Mr. Acosta for a question. Their exchange grew heated when Mr. Acosta repeatedly challenged the president’s characterization of a Central American migrant caravan as an invasion. Mr. Trump responded by lashing out at Mr. Acosta, saying, “Honestly, I think you should let me run the country — you run CNN.”

Mr. Acosta, who was in the front row just feet from the president, refused several times to sit down or to return a microphone to a White House intern who sought to retrieve it. When he finally did give up the microphone, Mr. Trump said that Mr. Acosta was “a rude, terrible person.”

“You shouldn’t be working for CNN,” the president said.

When Mr. Acosta tried to re-enter the White House on Wednesday evening for a live shot for his network, a Secret Service officer asked him to hand over his “hard pass,” which grants journalists access to the compound. Mr. Acosta captured the episode in a grainy video on his cellphone and posted it to Twitter.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, who has also repeatedly clashed with Mr. Acosta during televised briefings at the White House, announced the decision, claiming falsely that Mr. Acosta had placed “his hands on a young woman” who was responsible for giving the microphone to reporters asking questions.

“The fact that CNN is proud of the way their employee behaved is not only disgusting, it is an example of their outrageous disregard for everyone, including young women, who work in this administration,” Ms. Sanders said.

The confrontation with the president came during a fractious encounter with reporters, only the third formal solo news conference held by Mr. Trump at the White House. In addition to clashing with Mr. Acosta, he scolded several other reporters he deemed offensive, including Peter Alexander of NBC, April D. Ryan of American Urban Radio Networks and Yamiche Alcindor of PBS.

Mr. Trump repeatedly told Ms. Ryan to sit down, and he complained that a query by Ms. Alcindor was a “racist question.”

The decision to yank Mr. Acosta’s credentials, effectively denying him access to the White House and the president’s staff, was a nuclear-level response by the president and the administration’s communications staff after more than two years of escalating tensions between the CNN correspondent, the president and the president’s aides.

Coming the day after Mr. Trump’s party suffered significant losses in Tuesday’s midterm elections, the action sent a signal to other journalists that the president was willing to do what has almost never been done by his predecessors in modern times: blacklist a mainstream journalist from coverage at the White House.

Late Wednesday, CNN denounced the decision. “It was done in retaliation for his challenging questions at today’s press conference,” the network said in a statement. “In an explanation, Press Secretary Sarah Sanders lied. She provided fraudulent accusations and cited an incident that never happened. This unprecedented decision is a threat to our democracy, and the country deserves better.”

A review of the video from the news conference did not suggest that Mr. Acosta put his hands on the woman, and a reporter who was present said that the White House account was not true.

“I was seated next to @Acosta at today’s press conference and did not witness him ‘placing his hands’ on the young intern, as the White House alleges,” Jeff Mason, a White House correspondent for Reuters, wrote on Twitter. “He held on to the microphone as she reached for it.”

Other news organizations expressed concern that the decision would set a precedent.

“The president should not pick and choose who covers him, and he should certainly not force out a representative of one of the country’s leading news organizations, one that tens of millions of Americans depend on for their news,” said Elisabeth Bumiller, the Washington bureau chief for The New York Times.

Olivier Knox, the president of the White House Correspondents’ Association, urged the White House to reverse its decision.

“The White House Correspondents’ Association strongly objects to the Trump administration’s decision to use U.S. Secret Service security credentials as a tool to punish a reporter with whom it has a difficult relationship,” he said in a statement. “Revoking access to the White House complex is a reaction out of line to the purported offense and is unacceptable.”

The American Civil Liberties Union weighed in, as well. “It is unacceptable and un-American for the president to expel a reporter for doing his job aggressively,” the organization said in a statement. “The White House should reverse this decision immediately.”
But hey, we’ve got the second Amendment thingy (and another mass shooting last night), so we are just fine :loon :loon :evil: :evil:

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:50 pm
by Sue U
As autocratic and as stupid as this dust-up is, it's clearly intentional and designed to change the news cycle narrative. Trump was plainly looking for a fight with the press corps to distract from both GOP electoral losses (and their potential consequences) and the Sessions firing, and to wind up his base to disbelieve everything the fake news media are going to say about his obstruction of justice regarding the Mueller investigation. Acosta was just one of a number of handy targets that Trump planned to attack to amplify his "fake news" mantra.

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:17 pm
by Lord Jim
This is of course part of a piece with Trump...

Of all the things Trump despises about this country he despises the existence of an independent press the most...

During the campaign he regularly suspended the credentials of media operations that reported honestly about him, he's called for the passage of unconstitutional expansions of libel laws to be able to financially ruin independent news organizations that refuse to fall in line for him, and he's attempted to misuse the US Postal service to punish the owner of one leading independent press voice (Jeff Bezos, the owner of the Washington Post)

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples...

A free press is most certainly NOT the "enemy of the people" but it definitely is the enemy of those who would seek to pervert our Constitutional system and the rule of law and make themselves a dictator...

Trump recognizes that a free press is the number one impediment in his unceasing efforts to, like all would-be tyrants, control the information available to the citizenry and manipulate public perception, and he behaves accordingly.

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 2:00 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
I saw the 'press conference' at the time and the exchange with the intern. Obviously Acosta was frustrated with Trump's refusal to answer the question but by now that's par for the course with this 'Administration.' The intern attempted to take the microphone put of Acosta's hand and while there might have been contact (it's impossible to tell from the video) it was purely defensive on Acosta's part and nothing more than an attempt to move the microphone away from her. CNN of course is in a bind because they have no wish to make her the story - she was trying to do her job (to pass the microphone from one reporter to another) and her effort to take the microphone from Acosta was ill judged. It is worth pointing out that this 'Administration' which claims that he 'put his hands' on the young woman is headed by a 'man' who boasts that he can 'grab them by the pussy' because he is such a star. CNN and Acosta will of course not make that point.

I would like CNN to sue for libel and slander. A news organization has nothing but its integrity and from a purely business point of view I am sure that this has a real dollar value which is carried on its balance sheet. Of all people Trump must know this: a large part of his own net worth is the perceived value of his brand. Without getting into the rights and wrongs of the value Trump's companies ascribe to the brand, it's a significant part of is fortune. So by continually slandering their integrity, Trump is directly affecting the company's balance sheet.

And again, this 'Administration' knows about hands on . . . (ETA - he really does look like Mussolini once he's at the front.)


Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:06 pm
by Big RR
Does anyone know if presidents have had credentialof reporters revoked in the past? This is clearly an attempt by Trump to divert attention as Sue has said, but I imagine it is well within the president's power to revoke the credentials of anyone. That he did it in such an asinine way is purely Trump theater. Not that we shouldn't point it out, but it is more evidence of his stupidity and instability than an attempt to abrogate the first amendment IMHO (not that he wouldn't want to do that, just that I don't think he's intelligent enough to even know what the first amendment is.

as for a libel or slander claim, I imagine his defense would be that it looked like he laid his hands on her from were he stood.

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:20 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
as for a libel or slander claim, I imagine his defense would be that it looked like he laid his hands on her from were he stood.
I was thinking of a more general context: he and his minions are always calling them fake news - in other words, without evidence, accusing them of lying. I'd really love to see that in court. Of course CNN and NYT and WaPo won't do it because, despite what the Trumpists say, they do not want to be the news, just simply to report it.

Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:35 pm
by RayThom
Here's Acosta accosting. I feel it's a bum rap. Roll the tape.


Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:28 pm
by Big RR
that's what I saw last night on the news as well. Just more Trump BS. While professional wouldn't do it, I would have loved to see him tell Trump to go fuck himself.

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:35 pm
by BoSoxGal
It's disgusting for a slime like Trump to falsely accuse a decent guy like Acosta, and outrageous for the WH to revoke his credentials and ability to do a job he's been excellent at.

That intern should have the character to speak up. She's probably a Republican so she won't.

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 5:50 pm
by Big RR
Republican or not, a lot of kids that age wouldn't take on the president, any president; Monica Lewinski didn't confront Bill Clinton own her own either.

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:19 pm
by Econoline
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Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:16 am
by RayThom
Here's the side-by-side comparison. Does Sarah Huckleberry Sandbager have no shame -- Ray asks rhetorically.


Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:15 am
by Lord Jim
Wow, you mean the Trump Administration actually stooped to doctoring a video to try to smear a reporter?

I find that absolutely shocking...

Not the sort of behavior one would ideally hope for from a great moral leader:
Twitter Has Great Time Mocking Donald Trump’s ‘I’m A Great Moral Leader’ Boast

“I think I'm a 6-foot tall, 32-year-old Oscar winner,” Mark Hamill of “Star Wars”

The jokes practically wrote themselves after President Donald Trump said Tuesday, “I think I am a great moral leader.”

Trump, who was responding to a news conference question about the increase in anti-Semitic attacks during his presidency, seemed serious about his lofty self-assessment. But many people on Twitter weren’t.

Celebrities, including Julia Louis-Dreyfus and Patton Oswalt, zinged the president with their own “I think” declarations, inspiring others on Twitter to chime in.

Julia Louis-Dreyfus

@OfficialJLD

I think I can breathe underwater with my gills
Patton Oswalt
‏Verified account @pattonoswalt

I think I have six-pack abs.
Sage of Earth
‏ @Sage_of_Earth
Replying to @OfficialJLD

I think both of my dogs are lawyers.
SelenaLemon @selenalemon2
Replying to @OfficialJLD

I think 2 Reese’s cups count as a serving of vegetables.
More:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tw ... e871a75e68


I think I'm going to be cast to play Clara in this season's San Francisco Ballet production of The Nutcracker...

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:25 pm
by eddieq
CNN has filed suit

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/13/media/cn ... ium=social

The buffoon in chief will use this as fodder. CNN reporter asks a question and he will pull the, "Due to the pending lawsuit, on the advice of counsel I will not be answering any questions from CNN."

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:57 pm
by Burning Petard
Would that be a first? When has POTUS ever acted on the advice of counsel? I have certainly seen a long list of lawyers who have fired him as a client because he would not follow their advice.

By the bye, is there a 'pool feed' that follows POTUS around everywhere? Does CNN really need to be there on the front row, asking questions that they know will just produce smoke and obfuscation?

snailgate

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:13 pm
by Big RR
BP--if the press isn't free to question the president or follow him on his travels, how would we know what is going on? And shouldn't major national news outlets, like CNN be there?

As for smoke and obfuscation, how do the questions produce that?

I do not know the rules governing who gets a press access pass to the White House or how it can be revoked, but what I think CNN is alleging in its suit is that there are rules governing it and procedures that must be followed, and that these were ignored. FWIW, I don't see how that could affect the president answering any questions of a CNN reporter (or any reporter) except those relating to the pending litigation.

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:22 pm
by Burning Petard
"As for smoke and obfuscation, how do the questions produce that?" After watching POTUS react to questions since the day he was sworn in (if not before) you ask? Perhaps you are on to something. Perhaps there actually is not causality between the questions and the words that come out of the mouth of POTUS.

snailgate.

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:27 pm
by Big RR
Exactly--the president lies because he is a liar, not because of the questions.

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:06 pm
by eddieq
To quote a great movie, "He's a sexist egotistical lying hypocritical bigot"

Re: Assault on the First Amendment

Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:49 pm
by Joe Guy
From where I sit it looked to me like Jim Acosta was out of line and rude. He wouldn't shut up and continued talking even after the microphone was passed to the next reporter. He was completely disrespectful to the presidential position, which should be respected even with Trump pretending to be president. On the other hand, the accusation that he put his hands on the intern is ridiculous.

Of course, Trump doesn't know how to de-escalate anything and he only made things much worse. Trump's method for putting out a fire is to add gasoline. I believe CNN IS grandstanding and shares some of the responsibility in this one. The white house should be able to suspend any reporter for a period of time who doesn't follow the rules of etiquette.