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The Shutdown Leaves Trump’s Base Cracked

On Friday, President Donald Trump announced a deal with Democrats to reopen the government, ending the longest shutdown in U.S. history. The deal was a concession to reality: Trump was not winning the battle over the shutdown in public opinion, he had not persuaded Democrats to fund the wall he wanted, and he had no plan to change that.

The unfavorable polling is not news. Since the early days of the shutdown, more Americans have blamed Trump than Democrats for the government’s closure, which is not altogether surprising since, in December, the president preemptively claimed responsibility. But over the past week, there have been signs that the shutdown has hurt Trump even with his base supporters—the voters whose favor Trump hoped to cement by shutting down the government in the first place.

Early in January, public opinion briefly moved toward Trump, but since then it has gotten ugly for him again. A Politico/Morning Consult poll released Wednesday showed that voters blamed Trump and Republicans more than congressional Democrats, 54–35. In a CBS poll, seven in 10 voters said a border wall was not worth the shutdown, and respondents rated House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s handling of negotiations higher than Trump’s, 47–35.[And that was before Trump folded.] An Associated Press/NORC poll found that 60 percent held Trump responsible for the shutdown, versus 31 percent who blamed Democrats.

For months, Trump’s overall approval rating has been an object of fascination for pundits. On the one hand, it’s terrible, hovering in the low 40s, as HuffPost Pollster’s average demonstrates. On the other hand, it has just hovered there. Almost nothing—not the steady drumbeat of damning news on the Russia investigation, not the chaos of the White House, and neither a strong economy nor a volatile stock market—seemed able to dislodge it. The American people had apparently made up their minds about Trump, and the four in 10 who approved weren’t going to change their minds, come hell or high water.

Yet the shutdown seems to have broken that equilibrium. Trump hit his highest disapproval on record in the Morning Consult poll, at 57 percent. CBS found 59 percent disapproval. In the AP-NORC poll, Trump’s approval tanked from 42 percent a month ago to 34 percent. The president was even down in an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll he flogged on Twitter. FiveThirtyEight’s poll aggregator shows a clear downward trend since the start of the shutdown, with Trump’s approval heading toward depths not seen since his disastrous December 2017 and the aftermath of a white-supremacist march in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017.

What’s interesting is not just that the approval rate is finally budging, but why—and with whom. Trump has long been happy to withstand the opprobrium of the press, elites, and much of the country. As my colleague Ron Brownstein has demonstrated, the president has opted for political tactics meant to shore up his base. This is strategically dubious—it’s hard to win reelection with 40 percent of the country—but it has been consistent. It has shown some success, too. While Trump’s overall approval is low, his standing among Republicans has remained very strong.

Shutting down the government over the wall was a part of that philosophy. The administration concluded that the wall was such an important issue for his base that it was worth whatever political blowback that might come from other quarters to get it done. As Ann Coulter, who effectively shamed him into the shutdown in December, recently put it, “He is dead in the water if he doesn’t build that wall. Dead, dead, dead.”

In practice, however, weakened standing among that base accounts for Trump’s slumping approval. The NPR/NewsHour/Marist poll finds that Trump’s approval is down among suburban men, white evangelicals, and men without a college degree, all key segments of his constituency. And while 83 percent of Republicans in that poll still support him, his net approval has slipped 10 points.

In the Politico/Morning Consult poll, Trump’s disapproval increased among evangelicals, non-college-educated voters, and those who voted for Trump in 2016, compared with a poll in early January. Meanwhile, the number who blamed Trump for the shutdown increased (slightly) among all three groups.

Interestingly, support among all three demographics in the Politico/Morning Consult poll for the wall has remained essentially constant. They haven’t changed their minds about the need for the wall; they’re just losing their faith in Trump and are fed up with the shutdown.[If some of Trump's slippage in support is due to wall fans deciding he can't get it built, this is a Good Thing. Anything that reduces Trump's support will make it easier to send him to an early exit from the Presidency, so it all works for me, whether I agree with what led them to that decision or not. Anytime a Trump supporter wakes up to the fact that they've been conned, whatever the motivation, it's a positive development for the health of our republic.]

Nevertheless, the slippage in backing even among Trump’s base since the start of the shutdown calls into question the wisdom of the president’s calculation that the wall was an effective pander to his core supporters. It’s not just that Trump’s belief that Democrats would cave was out of touch with reality—even more dangerously for him, he was out of touch with the base.
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Trouble in paradise...
Fox News anchor defends colleagues after Trump criticism: ‘This is NOT right’

Fox News Channel anchor Julie Banderas on Monday fired back at President Trump after he tore into a pair of Fox News reporters over their coverage of the government shutdown.

“This is NOT right,” Banderas tweeted. “I stand by my colleagues [John Roberts] and [Gillian Turner]. They don’t deserve this. No reporter does.”

“They are doing their jobs and reporting the facts,” she continued. “They are not opinion journalists and deserve the respect from the [White House] they cover.”

The tweet came in response to a Sunday tweet from Trump that said Roberts and Turner “have even less understanding of the Wall negotiations than the folks at FAKE NEWS CNN & NBC!”

The president’s tweet targeted Roberts and Turner for their coverage of the border wall negotiations and came after Trump agreed on Friday to reopen the government after a 35-day partial shutdown. The funding lapse was triggered by Trump’s demands for more than $5 billion in border wall funding.
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Lord Jim wrote:Trouble in paradise...
Fox News anchor defends colleagues after Trump criticism: ‘This is NOT right’

Fox News Channel anchor Julie Banderas on Monday fired back at President Trump after he tore into a pair of Fox News reporters over their coverage of the government shutdown.

“This is NOT right,” Banderas tweeted. “I stand by my colleagues [John Roberts] and [Gillian Turner]. They don’t deserve this. No reporter does.”

“They are doing their jobs and reporting the facts,” she continued. They are not opinion journalists and deserve the respect from the [White House] they cover.”
"Opinion journalists"?
I always thought of journalists as being persons held to a higher standard of fairness, even-handedness, and honesty ... no spin allowed; just report the facts and let the reader make up their mind.  There are editorial opinions, maybe, and usually clearly labeled as such, or opinion columnists in the manner of Mike Royko, Art Buchwald, or even Rush Limbaugh ... but an "opinion journalist"??

Chalk up a new term to add to the list of classic oxymorons.
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Lord Jim wrote:
The Shutdown Leaves Trump’s Base Cracked

They've always been cracked.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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