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A post by Stephen Robinson on Wonkette (link to the whole thing) makes a good point:
[...] Also, men aren't known for their rationality. A lot of them voted for Donald Trump. This includes Biden's own brother, who did so because he "felt slighted" by Hillary Clinton. Oh boo fucking hoo.

The entire rationale for Biden's candidacy is his "electability," but it's exclusively defined. Working-class Joe from Scranton will convince the broke-ass Archie Bunkers out there to vote for a Democrat like they used to never. Elizabeth Warren can't do this because her voice makes their penises shrivel up and die. We can't elect presidents who'll promote erectile dysfunction. That's just reality. We're so focused on these "ideal" voters we risk forgetting that the Democratic nominee will also need to successfully connect with women. It's not enough to just be less sexist than Trump, even significantly so. That only establishes a baseline level of acceptable sexism, and women don't appreciate feeling "slighted," either.
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I predict that biden will lose Delaware in either a primary or a general.

he moved here when he was ten and never left.

he served for 30 plus years in Delaware.

now he is a Scranton boy. all Pennsylvania, all the time.

what a bullshitter he is.

Hillary can t help him and Obama won t, and he disowned his state.

he won t win the nomination, he is old and tired...., and crooked.

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The leftie media pundits keep trying to write Joe's political obituary, but those pesky voters keep refusing to go along:
Poll finds black voters shrugging off Biden's comments on segregationist senators

Joe Biden caused a media firestorm last week when he cited his working relationship with pro-segregation Democratic senators to make a point about the importance of civility in politics. But a new poll suggests that black voters mostly shrugged off the controversy.

Not only does a new Morning Consult/Politico survey find no change in Biden's support, it also finds more black Democrats who say they are more likely to vote for Biden after the controversy, than those who are less likely to do so. Though a majority say either it has no effect on their perception of the former vice president, or they have no opinion.

Specifically, the poll finds Biden sustaining 38% support nationally and 43% in early primary states (his next closest competitor, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, is at 19% and 21%, respectively). That's unchanged from a poll taken before Biden's statements. His support among black voters was essentially unchanged, at 45% last week and 46% in the most recent poll, though as Steve Kornacki notes, he's significantly more popular among black voters over 45 (59% support) than under 45 (34% support).
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Trump seems determined to turn ol' Joe into "The Comeback Kid"...
CNN Poll: Biden's lead in Democratic primary hits widest margin since April

WASHINGTON (CNN)Former Vice President Joe Biden's lead in the race for the Democratic nomination for president has rebounded, and now stands at its widest margin since April, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.
Biden has the support of 34% of Democratic and Democratic-leaning registered voters, his best showing in CNN polling since just after his campaign's formal launch on April 25.

Sens. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Bernie Sanders of Vermont are about even for second, with 19% and 16%, respectively. Behind them, South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Kamala Harris of California each have 6% support, with Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and former Texas Congressman Beto O'Rourke each at 3%.

Biden's rise comes largely from a consolidation of support among his core backers, and doesn't appear to harm any individual opponent. Warren and Sanders hold about even with their standing in the last CNN poll in September, and no other candidate has seen a shift of more than 2 points in that time.

But Biden has seen big spikes in support among moderate and conservative Democrats (43% support him now, up from 29% in the September poll), racial and ethnic minorities (from 28% among all nonwhites in September to 42% now) and older voters (up 13 points since September among those 45 and older) that outpace those among younger potential Democratic voters (up 5 points among those younger than 45).

The gains come as Biden's time as vice president is put under the spotlight by President Donald Trump and his allies. Trump is facing an impeachment inquiry by the House of Representatives over allegations that he pressured the Ukrainian government to investigate Biden and his son, Hunter Biden, as well as the 2016 US election in return for releasing hundreds of millions in congressionally mandated defense funding meant for Ukraine. Hunter Biden was on the board of a Ukrainian natural gas company while Biden was vice president.

There is no evidence that either Biden did anything wrong in Ukraine.

The poll suggests that although Biden's October debate performance did not blow away the audience (15% who watched or followed news about it said he had done the best job in the debate, well behind Warren's 28% -- but better than most on the stage), the arguments he made on health care, foreign policy and the economy may have boosted his standing with the potential Democratic electorate.

Asked which candidate would best handle a range of top issues, Biden leads the way on four of the six issues tested in the poll. He holds a massive edge over the field on foreign policy (56% say he would handle it best, well ahead of Sanders at 13% and Warren at 11%), and tops the next closest candidate by nearly 20 points on the economy (38% Biden, 19% Sanders, 16% Warren). Biden also outpaces the rest of the field as most trusted on immigration (29% Biden, 16% each Warren and Sanders) and gun policy (27% vs. 13% Sanders and 11% Warren, with O'Rourke close at 9%).

Biden doesn't hold a significant edge on the critical issue of health care (31% Biden, 28% Sanders, 17% Warren) but he's surged 13 points on the issue since June, when he lagged behind Sanders. Neither Sanders' nor Warren's numbers on the issue have moved significantly in that time.

And Biden now runs even with Sanders at 26% as best able to handle the climate crisis. Warren is at 18% on that issue. The results mark increases for Biden and Sanders, who were each at 19% on handling the climate in June.
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This confirms what I thought might very well turn out to be the case...

That the revelations of Trump's obsession with trying to bring down Biden's candidacy to the point of his engaging in criminal and corrupt efforts to do so, and his repeated unfounded smears against Biden, would all redound to Joe's advantage...

Trump himself is cementing the foundational argument of Biden's campaign; "Joe Biden is the candidate Donald Trump fears the most"...

And this is having a definite impact on Democratic primary voters. (The majority of whom consistently rate nominating the candidate who has the best chance of defeating Donald Trump as their number one consideration)

So just at the moment when Biden's candidacy seemed to be fading, and other center-left moderate liberal candidates were getting a closer look, Trump has breathed new life into Joe's campaign and turned him into The Energizer Bunny...

Every time Il Boobce tweets or goes in front of the cameras to talk about the need to investigate "Crooked Joe" he is lining up more votes and contributions for Biden..
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It has been announced by the expert who really, really knows (many, many people have said so) that Joe Biden was a failed Senator.

The facts are that Joe Biden served as Senator for the State of Delaware. In EVERY election where Biden was on the ballot in Delaware, Biden won. The voters of Delaware thought Biden was and would do a better job of Senator than the choices offered by the opposition.

But IMNSHO, former Senator and Veep Biden would make a very bad POTUS. The skill set exercised by a Senator is not what is required for POTUS. On the other hand. it will not take much to do a better job than Trump. Even poor old William Henry Harrison, from his sick bed, did a better job than Trump. On the other hand I think I could vote for Joe's wife, Dr. Biden.

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Well, I disagree about what kind of President Biden would make...

My major concern about Biden from a policy standpoint is that he's too much of a dove on defense, (afterall, let's not forget that he even opposed the raid that got Bin Ladin, ) but of course that concern pales into insignificance when weighed against the existential imperative of removing the greatest threat to our Constitutional system since the Civil War...

We can argue policy later...

IMEO, the next President is going to face numerous challenges and chief among these will be to restore our reputation internationally; reassure our allies and our adversaries alike that this faux Presidency was an aberration, and that America is returning to her role as the Leader Of the Free World...

Domestically, we need a President who will first and foremost begin to turn down the temperature of our toxic tribal political discourse, and rebuild confidence in the institutions that Trump has been so busy trying to destroy...

To my mind, Joe Biden fits the bill for taking on these challenges about as much as anyone could...

In normal times Biden might not be the best choice, (he almost certainly would not be mine) but when it comes to having what's needed to accomplish the major challenges the next President will face in these highly abnormal times, it seems to me he's the best package on offer...

He's a well known, steady, reassuring presence with a great depth of knowledge and experience in collaborative governance. He's also very much a known quantity to foreign leaders which should be a big plus in restoring our international standing.

In other words he's pretty much the exact opposite of the hot mess currently occupying the White House...

I also believe (and all the polling that shows Biden consistently defeating Trump by a much wider margin than anyone else backs me up) that in the wake of the catastrophic wild ride of the past three years the wider electorate is much more attracted to a steady hand on the ship of state then they are to a candidate promising to charge boldly off into some new direction...

This is not usually the case in American Presidential elections, but I believe the unusual dynamics brought on by the Trump experience has created a situation where the majority of the electorate would very much prefer "boring but steady" over "bold and exciting"...
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He's not my favorite candidate (not even my favourite)—though of course I'd vote for him if he gets the Dem nomination—but I've got to commend Joe and his campaign for this really good ad:
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