Plan B Forum

If every article of Impeachment were filed that could legitimately be filed, we'd have a Bill Of Impeachment longer than the 400 page Mueller Report...

Lord Jim wrote:If every article of Impeachment were filed that could legitimately be filed, we'd have a Bill Of Impeachment longer than the 400 page Mueller Report...

If that was true the Democrats would have already impeached him. After turning over all the rocks they've resorted to looking under grains of sand. The Democrats have been back and forth so much they've become a national joke. A pack of dogs chasing a car is more focused.

So far nothing has stuck. Now they think Ukraine is a different Jello they can nail to the wall and get it to stick.

Anyone familiar with the corruption in Ukraine knows better. There's a reason the politically connected swarmed into the country. When Russia dumped Ukraine they lost control of a major pipeline to Europe. The natural gas has produced fortunes for those who have access to it in any way shape or form. That was a major Russian mistake and it has been trouble ever since.

Add in the overthrow of the last Russian puppet prime minister and a new regime that needed support to resist the subsequent Russian invasion of the Crimea and the Donbas region and a smorgasbord of influence peddling resulted.

Biden is DOA.

The Democrats will California Sanders again.

Warren and her wacko give me all your money medicare for all plan is unrealistic unicorns and rainbows BS.

The Democrats are fucked for 2020. That leaves impeachment as the only choice for Democrats to put out the burning charred mess they have going into 2020.

Ukraine is just the latest batch of Jello and it ain't going to stick.

Someone has crawled back out from under his rock to begin protesting too much.

Looks like some very loud whistling past the graveyard to me, Darren...

Or Kevin Bacon in Animal House:

That's a Baby Ruth floating in your punch bowl. Your perceptions may differ. Enjoy.

Donald Trump the Turd . . . so, he claims that the previous Ukraine president and the previous prosecutor were bad people who buried an investigation of Biden Minor . . . when all the time it was his sidekick Giuliani who was getting those "bad" leaders to bury an investigation into Ukraine funding Manafort!

On June 7, 2017, Ignatius pointed out, Giuliani traveled to Ukraine and gave a speech to the Victor Pinchuk foundation. While he was there, Giuliani met with the president at the time, Petro Poroshenko, and the top prosecutor, Yuriy Lutsenko.

While Giuliani was visiting, Ukraine's anti-corruption bureau was in the middle of a criminal investigation into a "black ledger" of allegedly illegal payments made by Ukraine's pro-Russia Party of Regions. Among the recipients of those payments was Paul Manafort, the former chairman of Trump's campaign who was forced to resign when the public became aware of his shady financial dealings.

It's unclear what Giuliani discussed with Poroshenko and Lutsenko when he went to Ukraine. But two days after their meeting, the investigation into Manafort was handed off from the anti-corruption unit to Lutsenko's office.

The move meant the investigation was effectively stalled and, as one former Ukrainian official told The Kyiv Post, it meant "that somebody gave an order to bury the black ledger."

Manafort's AND Podesta's Ukraine adventure was pre-2016. IIRC Manafort's appearance in the Trump campaign was almost a cameo it was terminated so quickly.

Likewise the Biden, Kerry, and Pelosi spawn's antics began in the same period.

Now that the Democrats have convoluted the situation with the Javelin missile availability we're supposed to ignore the sales of influence.

IIRC Manafort's appearance in the Trump campaign was almost a cameo it was terminated so quickly.

Well Darren, I guess you don't recall correctly...

It was four months, (a significant chunk of time in a Presidential campaign) and covered the time of the Republican National Convention, (a fairly significant event in a Presidential campaign)

Glad I could help refresh your recollection...

Excuse my math and choice of word. Four months out of a period from June 15, 2015 to November 2016 is 17+ months is almost 40%.

While we're on the subject, what about those Podestas. Do they know when to fold 'em or what?

Not sure if this helps your argument Darren but 4 months from 17 months is about 23.5%.

Going back to the OP - Trump's twat about Jr.'s book - how thick do you have to be to post that? We know he is stupid enough to commit crimes, but to do it in broad daylight when anyone remotely sentient for the last three years has heard of government ethics rules?

It's sometimes said that he is innocent of the ways of Washington and should be given a pass. No - you just have to have read a newspaper sometimes in the past fifty years. That shouldn't be too high a bar for the presidency.

While we're on the subject, what about those Podestas

Don't know too much about that Darren...haven't followed it much...

You see here on Earth I, the Podestas have absolutely no power over anyone or anything, while we have a current President busy trampling our Constitution and shredding the rule of law...The latter has taken up most of the attention I have available to spend on scandalous political behavior since it, you know, actually has real current effect on my country...

I guess things must be different on your Earth...

While we're on the subject, what about Arms For Dirt?

Now, now Jim--I guess you've forgiven them for the sex trafficking at Comet Ping Pong Pizzeria, not to mention exporting aborted fetuses to use as toppings for pizzas in China?

Gotta say...as whataboutisms go, "what about those Podestas?" is pretty lame.

Fetuchina pizza?

Econoline wrote:Gotta say...as whataboutisms go, "what about those Podestas?" is pretty lame.

Anybody batting a thousand has something going for them. Manafort paid. They didn't.

The management of Hillary's campaign doesn't count. That was a lost cause, At least he was able to stand in for her at the end.

PIVOT: A way of taking a question that might be on a specific subject, and moving to answer it on your own terms.

RayThom wrote:PIVOT: A way of taking a question that might be on a specific subject, and moving to answer it on your own terms.

Absolutely. Who else thinks DeVos should be fired?

Darren, I just posted this a few days ago for wes, but I think you've earned a repost:

A one, and a two:



What about Arms For Dirt?