Plan B Forum

Article 2 will be similarly successful.

Buh bye, Trumplestiltskin.

Before we start celebrating TOO much, he hasn't been convicted in the Senate yet.

And just a reminder: The Senate rules allow members to file, before the conclusion of the trial, motions to dismiss the charges against the president.  If such a motion passes by a simple majority, the impeachment proceedings effectively end.  Since the Republicans hold 53 seats and the Democrats only hold 45 (with 2 independents, both of whom caucus with the Democrats), I think we can conclude that, unless a half-dozen or so Republicans suddenly grow a spine AND a pair of cojones, the impeachment trial of "Dishonest Don" will be over with before it ever gets started.

As I said once before, it is truly a sad thing to live through the sunset of a once-great nation.

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He's not going to get convicted in the Senate - I never expected that and I don't think many (any?) Democrats expect it.

But forever and ever and ever and ever, he's an asterisk President.

Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States, Impeached by the House of Representatives December 18, 2019.

On CNN they showed some parts of his rally he is/was having and his head looked like it was going to explode. His face changed from spray-on orange to deep tomato red and I could swear he had smoke coming out of his ears.

If he doesn't settle down, he might not live long enough to be re-elected.

Bill Clinton was impeached as well (and subsequently acquitted), but I don't think anyone considers *him* to be an 'asterisk President'.

If anyone deserves to be called an 'asterisk President', it should be Gerald Ford in that he was never elected as either President OR Vice-President.  He was appointed to the post of VP in December 1973 following the resignation of Spiro Agnew, and assumed the presidency in 1974 when Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace.  Then, when he stood for re-election on his own in 1976, the voters rejected him in favor of Democratic candidate Jimmy Carter.

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Joe Guy wrote:On CNN they showed some parts of his rally he is/was having and his head looked like it was going to explode. His face changed from spray-on orange to deep tomato red and I could swear he had smoke coming out of his ears.

If he doesn't settle down, he might not live long enough to be re-elected.

We can only hope and pray!!!

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Bicycle Bill wrote:Bill Clinton was impeached as well (and subsequently acquitted), but I don't think anyone considers *him* to be an 'asterisk President'.

If anyone deserves to be called an 'asterisk President', it should be Gerald Ford in that he was never elected as either President OR Vice-President.  He was appointed to the post of VP in December 1973 following the resignation of Spiro Agnew, and assumed the presidency in 1974 when Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace.  Then, when he stood for re-election on his own in 1976, the voters rejected him in favor of Democratic candidate Jimmy Carter.

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You must have your head buried in mud or something? Because yes, he's an asterisk president. Look up his Wiki - it's in the first paragraph of his very long bio. During all this Trump Impeachment lead-up, the references to Clinton's Impeachment have been numerous and lengthy. He's an asterisk. He'll always be an asterisk. Johnson, Clinton, Trump. Only Richard Nixon had the grace to just walk away.

(CNN)No matter what happens in the next year -- or even the next five years -- of Donald Trump's time in office, the first paragraph of his political obituary will contain this sentence (or something close to it): "Trump was impeached by the House on December 18, 2019, becoming only the third president in history to be so admonished."

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/18/poli ... index.html

And this:

Now, that doesn't mean that the historic action -- and it is historic, regardless of whether you agree with it -- will change much of anything day-to-day in Washington. In fact, one of the most striking things about Wednesday was how normal it all felt. Trump tweeting insults at his political opponents and quote-tweeting praise from his favorite Fox News shows. Republicans defending the President -- facts be damned. Democrats insisting that they were doing the right thing, as opposed to the politically savvy thing

Bicycle Bill wrote:Before we start celebrating TOO much, he hasn't been convicted in the Senate yet.

And just a reminder: The Senate rules allow members to file, before the conclusion of the trial, motions to dismiss the charges against the president.  If such a motion passes by a simple majority, the impeachment proceedings effectively end.  Since the Republicans hold 53 seats and the Democrats only hold 45 (with 2 independents, both of whom caucus with the Democrats), I think we can conclude that, unless a half-dozen or so Republicans suddenly grow a spine AND a pair of cojones, the impeachment trial of "Dishonest Don" will be over with before it ever gets started.

As I said once before, it is truly a sad thing to live through the sunset of a once-great nation.

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True Bill, but a few republicans voting to not dismiss or abstaining (even only 3 as I do not believe Pence could break a tie) could end any dismissal effort, and then even if they don't get the required votes to remove him, it would taint the judgment. Unless he was absolutely sure of the outcome, I seriously doubt McConnell would try that.

Well, there you have it. The impeachment is a done deal. Both counts. The Grifter-in-Chief now goes into the history books as an impeached president, indelibly planting an asterisk on the Angry Creamsicle's historically pitiful legacy. Only the 3rd time in almost 231 years.

He'll be the first impeached president running for a second term and he'll sadly get more votes than one could ever imagine. He's such a douchebag.

November 3, 2020 -- vote Democratic, early and often.

From The Lincoln Project's Twitter page:

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 675644001/

Numbers like that are likely to push a number of GOP senators into supporting calling witnesses for the trial...

Certainly enough when combined with the Democratic votes to constitute the simple majority needed to over rule McConnell...

Personally, I think the dems are playing this wrong in public; instead of complaining about not to call the witnesses they want, they shuld comment that Trump's complaints about not being able to defend himself are pretty pointless if he doesn't want to call witnesses at the trial in the senate (which is when a defense should be presented); and if he gets to call witnesses, then they should have acccess to the most relevant witnesses at all.

On another point, I heard Pam Bondi on NPR this morning and she sounded like a brain dead idiot. She repeated the BS of democratic secret hearing (from which the republicans were excluded) in the bowels of the capitol; when it was pointed out that republican committee members were there she said that they were not able to questions witnesses, then backed off and said, OK they could ask questions but were subject to time limits (surprise, the same time limits as the democrats).

And this woman was attorney general of Florida? I wouldn't even want her bagging my goceries.

Big RR wrote:
On another point, I heard Pam Bondi on NPR this morning and she sounded like a brain dead idiot. She repeated the BS of democratic secret hearing (from which the republicans were excluded) in the bowels of the capitol; when it was pointed out that republican committee members were there she said that they were not able to questions witnesses, then backed off and said, OK they could ask questions but were subject to time limits (surprise, the same time limits as the democrats).

And this woman was attorney general of Florida? I wouldn't even want her bagging my groceries.

I didn't hear that interview. Pam Bondi was the FL AG who received a donation from the Trump Foundation which was, of course, totally unrelated to her decision not to join other state AGs in their efforts to discredit that amazing world-class educational establishment, Trump University. The Trump Foundation later pointed out to us how that donation had been made in error and was destined for a similarly named PAC in Kansas. Strangely Ms Bondi had lobbied for that donation in a spirit of altruism and had never intended that the donation be made to her own PAC.

NYS closed down the Trump Foundation. Commie bastards!!!!

I recall that; sleaze attracts sleaze I guess.

Lord Jim wrote:

A poll released Tuesday by ABC News and The Washington Post found that about 7 in 10 Americans think the administration officials should be able to testify. In an example of bipartisan agreement, 79% of Democrats, 64% of Republicans and 72% of independents agree that Trump should allow them to appear in a Senate trial in the likely event that the House votes to impeach him.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 675644001/

Numbers like that are likely to push a number of GOP senators into supporting calling witnesses for the trial...

Certainly enough when combined with the Democratic votes to constitute the simple majority needed to over rule McConnell...

No, it won't. The only way that GOP senators would be pushed into supporting anything resembling a senate trial is of their specific voters (not national numbers, local) showed that the voters would vote them out of office next year if they didn't. Since Republican senators are almost completely in Trump-supporting States, there is zero chance of defection. The GOP has already declared that presidential privilege overrides the Constitution. Trump is shredding the constitution out of ignorance; the GOP is shitting on it out of malice. It's in their way, and without any way of changing the constitution legally they choose to simply ignore it.

The Republican senators are in lock step with Trump. The party has demanded loyalty, and to do anything else the Party will replace you with someone who will.

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if half the peple d0n t want him impeached h0w can 70 per cent want witnesses?