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Trump and the Economy

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Donald Trump loves to pat himself on the back for, as he puts it, the “greatest economy we’ve had in the history of our country.”  Actually, the economy is great for Trump’s rich friends that he plays golf with at his private country clubs and others in the top 1 percent, who will ultimately receive over 80 percent of the benefits of the Trump/GOP 2017 tax cut.  But for most of us, the economy is anywhere from middling to a daily struggle to make ends meet.

People are working two to three jobs to get by, wages are essentially flat, and layoffs are on the uptick.  And it’s time the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates make this a top campaign issue, right up there with calling out Trump’s efforts to end you and your family’s coverage for pre-existing medical conditions — along with all the other benefits of the ACA — in a lawsuit now in federal court.

To be fair, almost all Democratic presidential candidates have touched on how the economy is working for the wealthy but the not the rest of us, with Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders the most vocal.  But it still feels like the 2020 Democrats as a group have not made challenging Trump’s claims about the economy a top issue.

This reminds me of the debate surrounding the Affordable Care Act in 2010, when Republicans painted this legislation as the worst thing since the bubonic plague (remember the GOP’s “death panels”?).  The Democrats’ failure to push back on the GOP’s lies resulted in the ACA being defined in a horribly negative light, which in turn delivered control of the House to the GOP in 2010.  It wasn’t until 2017, when Trump and congressional Republicans were trying to end the ACA, that Obamacare was viewed as positive by a majority of Americans as people finally realized how much the ACA was actually helping them.

The lessons from the ACA debate make it clear Democrats must call out Trump’s broken promises and lies about the economy or he will control the narrative on this issue in 2020.

Trump surrounds himself with millionaires and billionaires — just look at his Cabinet.  Trump isn’t spending time with those Americans who take a shower after eight or more hours at work.  He has no idea or simply doesn’t care that Americans are struggling.  For example, 4 out of 10 adults cannot afford to pay an unexpected $400 expense, per a recent report by the Federal Reserve.

And where is the $4,000 that Trump promised us would trickle down to each household from his massive tax cut — that benefited corporations and the wealthy — enacted in 2017?  It didn’t trickle down to us (it never does — it didn't in Reagan's day, it didn't this time, and if they try it again in the future it won't work then either); it stayed in the corporate board room with Trump’s big donors.  As the Congressional Research Service found recently, Trump’s tax cut resulted in corporate profits that “grew faster than wages" and worse, "ordinary workers had very little growth in wage rates."  The real-world result is that wage growth is virtually non-existent.  In 2019, after you subtract inflation of nearly 2 percent, the average American worker saw a net wage increase of slightly over 1 percent.  One percent!

Do you think Trump even knows — or cares — that truckers are hurting horribly?  Countless truck drivers have reported how they are struggling and trucking companies are going under.  In fact, 2019 has been a “bloodbath” for the trucking industry, with approximately 640 trucking companies going bankrupt in the first half of the year alone.  That’s more than triple the number that went bankrupt in all of 2018.

Look at our nation’s farmers.  Thanks in large part to Trump’s failed trade war, farm bankruptcies are skyrocketing.  For the 12-month period ending September 2019, Chapter 12 bankruptcy filings by farmers are up 24 percent from 2018 — the highest level since 2011.  Even worse, there has been a spike in suicides by farmers linked to their economic despair.

And Trump won’t even talk about how our nation’s manufacturing sector is not only officially in a recession, but one that is becoming worse each month.  In November, new manufacturing orders and employment dropped at a rate worse than the month before.  That marks the fourth straight month that the manufacturing sector has contracted.

But Trump loves to tweet every time the stock market breaks a new record.  Well, in reality only about 50 percent of Americans own stock.  And a whopping 84 percent of those stocks are owned by Americans in the wealthiest 10 percent of households.  And while funds salted away in pension funds and 401-Ks are invested in the stock market and depend on these increases to grow in value, the people who will retire and eventually be drawing off of these funds must first survive the struggle to get to retirement!

When you look at the overall economic numbers, they utterly destroy Trump’s claim to have created the best economy ever.  In 2014, under President Obama, we hit over 5 percent economic growth in one quarter and 4.9 percent in another.  Where are we now?  Trending downwards, with last quarter our economy growing at barely 2 percent, down from nearly 3 percent the year before.  What a contrast to Trump’s promise in 2017 that his policies would cause our economy to grow by “4, 5, and maybe even 6 percent” a year.

If the economy was as great as Trump claims, why is it that the percentage of Americans currently working or looking for a job is almost unchanged since he took office?  That metric, known as the Labor Force Participation Rate, was 62.9 percent when Trump was sworn in.  Three years later it’s at 63.3 percent, less than one half of a percentage point increase.  In fact, when the labor participation rate was almost identical to today’s, Trump claimed during the 2016 election that we had a real unemployment rate of over 40 percent.

And now, alarmingly, we’re seeing an uptick in layoffs announced in the last few weeks, from a US Steel plant in Michigan closing to Morgan Stanley cutting 2 percent of its banks’ total workforce because of economic uncertainty to Haliburton laying off 800 people in Oklahoma.  In fact, unemployment in key swing states such as Michigan and Wisconsin is up from a year ago.

This is not a political game, this is real life.  Millions are living paycheck to paycheck with little to no savings.  Yet Trump tells them — insultingly — that this is the best economy in our nation’s history.

The 2020 Democrats must call out Trump’s broken promises and outright lies about the economy, and then offer policy prescriptions to address them so that working-class Americans understand that Democrats are fighting for an economy that helps all Americans, not just those who can afford to play golf at Trump’s private country clubs.
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I think the main reason that the stock market is up is that there is a lot of money every month from inactive investors - i.e., those investors who do not make daily or weekly decisions about where their money goes but who have a 401K or similar with another $100 or whatever every week which just goes into the same stocks and funds. Demand is constantly increasing so price goes up. Economics 101.

Second reason is the budget deficit now running at now $984 billion last time I looked. I could increase my economic footprint (buy a bigger TV and car, employ a gardener, get someone in to improve my kitchen) by remortgaging the house and spending the dosh. I choose not to do that because our generation has already stolen enough from our kids. But Trump has done that of course - remortgaged the place - and used the cash (a) to reward his buddies who adulate him and (b) for nonsense projects such as giving more to the military than even they have asked for. Of course he then raids the military budget for his absurd wall.

My broker / financial adviser called me this morning to say he was reviewing my stock/bond balance. He said: "I think the stock market is overpriced at the moment." We don't agree on much but I think he's right there. We'll see.

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One of the big drivers of stock prices was corporations using the funds saved from the tax cuts gifted to them, to buy back their own stock. Sort of like the inverse of a sock split, you reduce the number of shares in circulation and thus increase the share price.
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to reward his buddies who adulate him
I don't think those reaping the "rewards" are the same as those who "adulate" Trump; the wealthy cronies are generally smart enough to realize what an ass he is, but tolerate him because they generally do well under his policies. And like all good capitalists (at least since the 80s) they only look at the short term, and are enjoying the short term gains they enjoy without worrying about the ultimate consequences--of course when they come they will all join the chorus of those distancing themselves from him.

The others, the ones who cheer wildly at his rallies and appear to adore him whatever he does, are a different breed who bought into his BS because they feel betrayed by them democrats. Rightly or wrongly (and it's a little of both IMHO) they have concluded that the "party of the working man" has left them behind, and embrace Trump because he is a convenient alternative to that party, and because he says again and again it is not their fault, encouraging them to blame immigrants, etc. for their condition. Except for Bernie (who has his own problems) the dems don't seem to understand how to shift this blame to those now reaping the most benefits, and so these people ironically cheer for the person most determined to keep them in the respective places; toss in the bitterness of their belief that the dems don't care about them at all, and it's not all that surprising.

And that is going to be the biggest challenge in the next election; right now it doesn't seem like any of the dems have a real plan on how to address this and get these voters back. Calling the stupid or deluded will NOT work, nor will pushing policies on them that they do not now want (like medicare for all, a system that may well have a lot of promise in the near future, but will not be embraced by the majority of these voters who likely have some insurance through their employers and will not support the government taking it away and imposing an alternative--they need to be convinced it will be better, and that will not be easy because they generally think the government is incompetent at running anything).

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Except for Bernie (who has his own problems) the dems don't seem to understand how to shift this blame to those now reaping the most benefits
Ummmm...actually, this has been *THE* central issue in Elizabeth Warren's campaign since the beginning of her run. (Really, ever since she was elected to the Senate.) And yet the only thing the news media seem interested in covering about her is "electability". :roll:
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Very well stated and true, Big RR.

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Bicycle Bill wrote:Donald Trump loves to pat himself on the back for, as he puts it, the “greatest economy we’ve had in the history of our country.”...   Actually, the economy is great for Trump’s rich friends that he plays golf with at his private country clubs and others in the top 1 percent, who will ultimately receive over 80 percent of the benefits of the Trump/GOP 2017 tax cut.  But for most of us, the economy is anywhere from middling to a daily struggle to make ends meet... The 2020 Democrats must call out Trump’s broken promises and outright lies about the economy, and then offer policy prescriptions to address them so that working-class Americans understand that Democrats are fighting for an economy that helps all Americans, not just those who can afford to play golf at Trump’s private country clubs...
BB, I read something very similar just a short time ago on the Daily Beast website.

All said and done, it's still mostly a "trickle down" economy to the average wage earner.

When Donald Trump Brags About the Economy, Here’s What Democrats Should Say
https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-dona ... should-say
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Econoline wrote:
Except for Bernie (who has his own problems) the dems don't seem to understand how to shift this blame to those now reaping the most benefits
Ummmm...actually, this has been *THE* central issue in Elizabeth Warren's campaign since the beginning of her run. (Really, ever since she was elected to the Senate.) And yet the only thing the news media seem interested in covering about her is "electability". :roll:
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You're right, Ray.  I just figured if wesw could post his garbage without proper attribution, I could post logical, cogent arguments in the same manner.
(actually, I just plain forgot to include the link and to give credit where it was deserved.  Mea culpa, nihil ignoscas.)
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except for Bernie (who has his own problems) the dems don't seem to understand how to shift this blame to those now reaping the most benefits


Ummmm...actually, this has been *THE* central issue in Elizabeth Warren's campaign since the beginning of her run. (Really, ever since she was elected to the Senate.) And yet the only thing the news media seem interested in covering about her is "electability".
I guess i should have included Warren in this group, but I do think Bernie is much better a delivering the message with passion, something I personally haven't seen Warren do anywhere near as effectively.

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Do you really think that an angry, yelly, passionate speech by Warren would accomplish anything other than more media concerns about her "electability"? IMHO she's shown passion, intelligence, and a real ability to win over a crowd. (Not to mention the fact that she's eight years younger than Sanders, and that women generally live longer, more active lives than their male peers of the same age. And I know from personal experience ;) that once you're in your seventies eight years can make a *BIG* difference in physical and mental stamina!)
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Well definitely not now, it would come across as fake. But I am not referring to what I'd like, to me she comes across as a much better candidate than Bernie, but how the message would play with those supporting Trump. And there angry bluster would play well, even if the message makes no sense. And that's the problem, many of these honestly believe the democrats have left them behind and are just mad, Trump plays into that and capitalizes on it. Bernie can get a little of that in a way I don't see Warren doing.

But the big problem is that the dems have to find a way in getting the message to those voters to eat into Trump's base--to show him up for the charlatan he is, and here I believe the dems are lacking. They tear each other apart more than they successfully attack Trump, and any of their policies still come across as elitist, and their explanations as condescending. they need to convince the working people that they are on their sides and have their interests at heart, which is a tall order. And I haven't seen much progress in that area in the candidates yet.

ETA: As for "electability", I am not accepting any of the media positions on Warren, but that is a big concern for any candidate that can have any hope of defeating Trump, which IMHO is the most important thing.

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Both Bernie and Warren are too dogmatic and simplistic. Focussing on 'the rich', however poorly defined, incites class hatred rather than an understanding of how the harms were caused. Focussing on 'the rich' promotes the idea that the solution is to punish and cause pain. Neither of those make anything better. Many of 'the rich' are on her side and can be effective allies in reforming a broken economic system if they are allowed to be; Gates, Buffett, Soros and many others are examples. Many of the rich understand very well how the problem is perpetuated and should be allowed to support (even) Warren and Bernie without prejudice.

The harms were caused by a tax system which advantages the rich and shifts the pain to the poor, the pre-tax savings methods and the mortgage interest exemption are two of those and there are many others. The harms were caused by the destruction of organized labor which formerly provided the only democratizing influence to the workplace. The harms were caused by ideology which refuses to admit that a 40 year old making $50,000 a year can ever afford to fund a decent retirement or pay for his families health care.

The basic universal income is a good idea but they are only just now starting to develop data supporting it.


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rubato wrote:Focussing on 'the rich', however poorly defined, incites class hatred rather than an understanding of how the harms were caused. Focussing on 'the rich' promotes the idea that the solution is to punish and cause pain.
In terms of her proposed wealth tax, Warren has been not at all "poorly defined": the 2 percent rate would not apply to the first $50 million and the 6 percent rate would only kick in when you have more than $1 billion. I don't know how much wealth you and your wife personally have accumulated, but as far as I'm concerned, having 99 million dollars instead of 100 million wouldn't seem at all punitive or painful. Likewise, if I had $1,921,000,000, I don't think that knowing I did not have an even $2 billion would make me feel hated or punished or pained.
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Warren’s wealth tax enjoys broad support, even among many Republicans.
Senator Elizabeth Warren’s plan to tax the assets of America’s wealthiest individuals continues to draw broad support from voters, across party, gender and educational lines. Only one slice of the electorate opposes it staunchly: Republican men with college degrees.

Not surprisingly, that is also the profile of many who’d be hit by Ms. Warren’s so-called wealth tax, which has emerged as the breakout economic proposal in the Democratic presidential primary race.
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The stock market is dominated by institutional investors, not individual holders of 401Ks. The reason the market remains high is the tax code as Scooter mentioned. Not just the tax breaks and buy-backs, but the lack of tax liability and unfettered profits of all the large corporations. 100% Wall Street, nothing but crumbs for Main Street. Again. You’d think we would learn.

The market is way overvalued, and also balanced on a fairly fine point right now. Its likes the political chaos in the county because that results in tax code stability (nothing else getting done), but it won’t like the threat of war with Iran. If/when gas prices go up, look for the correction to start (and invest accordingly).
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Big RR wrote: ETA: As for "electability", I am not accepting any of the media positions on Warren, but that is a big concern for any candidate that can have any hope of defeating Trump, which IMHO is the most important thing.
Good piece in today's Guardian about Biden's electablity, or rather lack of it. Sadly I think they are right. If there is one lesson from 2016 and Johnson in the UK, it's that politics as usual is no longer the usual. Biden has too long been at the center of things - he first ran for President in 1988, 32 years ago and got walloped then. (Remember the [true] accusations that he had stolen one of his stump speeches? From Neil Kinnock - leader of the UK Labour party and a very unsuccessful one - of all people.) He's corporately owned and while I hate to agree with Trump on anything, Hunter Biden has at least the appearance of impropriety. Nothing like the Don Jr and Ivanka level of relying on Daddy's connections of course, and there is no proof that H Biden actually did anything illegal but Joe should have told him to stay well away from his own door step in choice of career.

Biden has apparently talked about a Republican VP. I see the point and it may well be time for a government of national unity to repair some of the damage of the Trump years; but the risk of a 78-year-old first time President dying in office is too great. In 2024 he'll be 82 and maybe his R VP will have delusions of grandeur and run against him for President.

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Plain and simple the issue is "dead in red." Unless Democrats can find a candidate that isn't, Trump's gets another four years.
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What Darren said.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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