Will General Michael Flynn be exonerated?

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Darren wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 3:39 pm

Why yes, General. I did change the heading to match the facts as they later developed. Thanks for noticing
To avoid confusion: Darren did not (yet) write the above.

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"Catherine Herridge@CBS_Herridge

Transcript AG Barr exclusive @CBSNews indicates expansion probe “Durham's investigation and US Attorney Jensen, I'm gonna ask him to do some more work on different items as well...I'm gonna wait till all the evidence is, and I get their recommendations as to..how serious it is”
3:00 PM · May 11, 2020·Twitter for iPhone"
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ABC News
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Martha Raddatz
May 11, 2020,

"Acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell has sought to declassify a list of former Obama administration officials who were allegedly involved in the so-called “unmasking” of former national security adviser Michael Flynn in his conversations with the former Russian ambassador during the presidential transition, a senior U.S. official tells ABC News.

Grenell, who remains the U.S. ambassador to Germany along with being the acting DNI, visited the Justice Department last week to request the declassification of the list, according to the official."
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"James Andrew Baker[1] is a former American government official at the Department of Justice who served as general counsel for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).[2] In December, 2017 he was replaced as general counsel and reassigned to a different position within the FBI.[3] It was revealed on April 19, 2018 that he was a recipient of at least one Comey memo.[4] On May 4, 2018, Baker resigned from the FBI and joined the Brookings Institution as a fellow, writing for the justice-focused blog, Lawfare.[5] In January 2019, Baker left Brookings to become the director of national security and cybersecurity at the R Street Institute, a conservative think-tank in Washington, D.C.[6] He also teaches at Harvard Law School."
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... r-dropping
Almost 2,000 former Justice officials condemn department for dropping Flynn case

Flynn is not innocent. Trump is corrupt.


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You realize that if the Wikipedia site ever shut down, Darren would be mute.  His last post (about James Baker) was just the first paragraph from Baker's Wikipedia entry, copied verbatim (including the footnote links).
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Bicycle Bill wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 5:43 am
You realize that if the Wikipedia site ever shut down, Darren would be mute.  His last post (about James Baker) was just the first paragraph from Baker's Wikipedia entry, copied verbatim (including the footnote links).
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 5:57 am
Hey Darren . . .
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 6:35 am
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 2:53 pm
Did that question read like this from the get-go: "Will the court dismiss charges against Flynn?"

Or was it edited post factoids?
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Not so fast, Billy boy:
U.S. judge puts Justice Department’s move to drop charges against Michael Flynn on hold

A U.S. judge put on hold the Justice Department’s move to drop charges against Michael Flynn, saying he expects independent groups and legal experts to argue against the bid to exonerate President Trump’s former national security adviser of lying to the FBI.

U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan said in an order Tuesday that he expects individuals and organizations will seek to intervene in the politically charged case. Having others weigh in could preface more aggressive steps that the federal judge in Washington could take, including — as many outside observers have called for — holding a hearing to consider what to do.

Sullivan’s order came after the government took the highly irregular step Thursday of reversing its stance on upholding Flynn’s guilty plea.

The action by Sullivan, a veteran 72-year-old jurist with a national reputation for advocating defendants’ rights to full government disclosure of evidence, appears to rule out immediate action on the Justice Department’s decision to reverse course and throw out Flynn’s December 2017 guilty plea.

Sullivan said he will “at the appropriate time” set a schedule for outside parties to argue against the Justice Department’s claims as the government seeks to drop the charges.

Such “friend-of-the court” or “amicus brief[ s] should normally be allowed when a party is not represented . . . has an interest in some other case that may be affected . . . [or] has unique information or perspective that can help the court,” Sullivan said.

The judge said he would be a rigorous gatekeeper, adding, “A criminal proceeding is not a free for all.”

A Justice Department spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In an immediate written response to the court, Flynn’s defense said the order was prompted by a notice Monday from an unspecified group referring to itself as “Watergate Prosecutors” that sought to file arguments in the case.

“No rule allows this filing,” Flynn attorney Sidney Powell objected.

Powell said in the more than two years of Flynn’s prosecution, “This Court has consistently — on twenty-four (24) previous occasions — summarily refused to permit any third party to inject themselves or their views into this case.”

Powell also challenged the constitutionality of Sullivan’s order, saying the courts have no authority to permit a third party to “usurp the role of the government’s counsel” in prosecuting an individual in a criminal case.

“This travesty of justice has already consumed three or more years of an innocent man’s life — and that of his entire family,” Powell wrote. “No further delay should be tolerated or any further expense caused to him and his defense.”

The judge’s ruling appeared to be prompted by a unique request filed one day earlier by the team of Watergate prosecutors who pursued an investigation of President Richard Nixon. They sought to file a friend-of-the-court brief to give their legal arguments against Barr’s unusual reversal of Flynn’s prosecution and said they had a “unique perspective on the need for independent scrutiny and oversight to ensure that crucial decisions about prosecutions of high-ranking government officials are made in the public interest.”

“The integrity of prosecutorial decision making is a cornerstone of the rule of law,” they wrote. “Amici have a special interest in restoring the public trust in prosecutorial decision making and in public confidence in the viability of future independent investigations and prosecutions if the results of such work are likely to be subjected to reversal by transparent political influence.”

Sullivan’s order noted that he was proceeding under a rule of civil procedure that gives judges sole discretion to accept outside arguments. Although there is no parallel criminal rule, the federal appeals court for Washington has ruled external entities in criminal cases can always ask to file an amicus brief, Sullivan said.

Legal experts said the order allows others to file objections to the Justice Department’s move and could open the door for adversarial proceedings in which one or more attorneys argue against the Justice Department. It would also permit, if the judge chooses, requiring both sides to produce evidence and revisit the case for and against Flynn.

In an evidentiary hearing, Sullivan could call witnesses — such as Flynn, his investigators or even prosecutors — to obtain more facts about how the case was handled and why Flynn and agents took the steps they did.

Sullivan has not hesitated to personally question Flynn in court before, as he did during a 2018 hearing, when he rejected a defense motion supported by the government for probation.

Sullivan had said he was not satisfied by the former three-star Army general’s cooperation with special counsel’s probe.

“Arguably, you sold your country out,” Sullivan told Flynn.

Flynn was convicted of lying to investigators about his contacts with Russia’s ambassador about easing U.S. sanctions during Trump’s presidential transition in special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of interference in the 2016 election.

Flynn had initially repeated that he was guilty of lying, that no one had coerced him to admit his guilt and that he had no intention of taking back that plea. Flynn also said he took responsibility for wrongdoing that also culminated in his firing by Trump for misleading Vice President Pence, White House aides and the public.

After Mueller’s investigation into 2016 campaign interference closed last year, Flynn changed defense teams, began attacking prosecutors and gained Trump’s support, claiming he was entrapped in a partisan FBI and Justice Department conspiracy.

In January, Attorney General William P. Barr tapped Jeff Jensen, the U.S. attorney in St. Louis, to review how the case had been handled. Jensen said publicly last week that he recommended it be dropped. Jensen asserted that newly analyzed FBI reports and communications showed the bureau had no valid basis to question Flynn, so any lies he told were not relevant to a criminal probe.

The Justice Department’s attempts to dismiss the case last week prompted fresh accusations from law enforcement officials and Democrats that the criminal justice system was caving to political pressure from the Trump administration.

Flynn prosecutor Brandon Van Grack, a Mueller team member, quit the case in apparent protest before the Justice Department’s move to drop the charges, while Trump applauded the actions.
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Catherine Herridge @CBS_Herridge

SCOOP @CBSNews obtains @RichardGrenell notification to congress declassified “unmasking list” Flynn between late 2016 and January 2017

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So some authorized recipients of a report, were authorized to request unmasking of information contained therein, which was unmasked through an authorized process, and that information may or may not have been seen by individuals authorized to see it.

If that doesn't shake the very foundations of democracy and the rule of law, I'm not sure what can.
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I'm not going to spell it out for you, Scooter. For some reason CBS thinks it's a big deal.

Do you like to listen to little birdies sing?

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Here's a couple more pages, Scooter. Note that your heartthrob, slow Joe is at the bottom.

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Yeah, how DARE they want to know the identity of a turncoat who was collaborating with the Russians to undermine the security of the United States?
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Scooter wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 7:31 pm
Yeah, how DARE they want to know the identity of a turncoat who was collaborating with the Russians to undermine the security of the United States?
Did you notice slow Joe was the last to know date wise? Now that you know CBS must be a fake news source if they consider that a scoop, you can forget about watching them.
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The judge in the Flynn case doesn't seem to be inclined to roll over for the The Hand and his attempt to thwart justice to please his King:
Judge In Flynn Case Invites Briefs Without Ruling On Feds' Dropped Charges

The judge handling the case of former national security adviser Michael Flynn is asking for opinions about what he should do now that the Justice Department wants to drop its prosecution of Flynn.

Judge Emmet Sullivan issued an order on Tuesday soliciting "friend of the court" briefs but did not address the government's reversal or suggest when he might.

Sullivan's order did mention that such filings, known within the legal world as amicus briefs, are appropriate in situations when "the amicus has an interest in some other case that may be affected by the decision in the present case."

That suggests the U.S. District Court judge wants to hear from those who say they would be affected by the precedent that might be set by the Justice Department's decision not to go forward with its case about Flynn's lies to the FBI — even following Flynn's admissions and guilty plea in the matter.

Criticism over independence

Critics have said Attorney General William Barr has sabotaged the Justice Department's ostensible independence from the White House by interceding in cases involving friends of President Trump — first with Trump's friend Roger Stone and now with Flynn.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/13/85512467 ... ed-charges


Retired judge called in to determine whether Flynn should be held in contempt

A former federal judge has been tapped to argue whether or not Michael Flynn should be subject to a contempt hearing after claiming to be innocent of a crime for which he had previously pleaded guilty. Additionally, the judge has been tasked with arguing against the Justice Department's move to drop the criminal case against Flynn.

The appointment of Retired Judge John Gleeson was announced by Federal Judge Emmet Sullivan, who is currently weighing the fate of Flynn's case after the DOJ announced last week it would move to dismiss the charges it had brought against President Trump's former national security adviser.

"ORDERED that the Court exercises its inherent authority to appoint The Honorable John Gleeson (Ret.) as amicus curiae to present arguments in opposition to the government's Motion to Dismiss," Sullivan wrote in his order, adding that Gleeson "shall address whether the Court should issue an Order to Show Cause why Mr. Flynn should not be held in criminal contempt for perjury."

A spokeswoman for the Justice Department declined to comment on Gleeson's appointment.

Gleeson, who formerly sat on the District Court in the Eastern District of New York, has been tasked with reviewing Flynn's criminal case and determining whether or not Flynn should be held "in criminal contempt for perjury," after pleading guilty under oath in court to lying to the FBI when he was initially charged back in 2017.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michael-fl ... n-gleason/

Three cheers for judge Emmet Sullivan, a great patriotic American who takes seriously his obligation to serve the cause of justice. If or republic is to survive the full on assault on the Constitution and the rule of law being carried out by the Trump regime, it will be due in large measure to the courageous efforts of folks like Judge Sullivan.

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I looked up a couple of the names on the list Darren posted: you know, the folks who had received news about a US citizen interacting with the Russians and who had asked who this obvious patriot was.

I picked the names randomishly - hopefully he or she might have a Wikipedia entry so I could learn more.

Douglas Lute was Obama's appointment as US rep to NATO. I quote Wikipedia:
On May 15, 2007, Lute was appointed by George W. Bush to serve as Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan. The New York Times referred to him as the "War Czar", since he occupied a senior advisory position responsible for overseeing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.[2] He was asked to stay on by new President Barack Obama as Obama's Special Assistant and Senior Coordinator for Afghanistan and Pakistan.[3] After leaving active duty in 2010,[4] Lute remained in his position at the National Security Staff.
John Tefft was Obama's Ambassador to Russia. Prior to that he had been Ambassador to Lithuania (Clinton); Georgia (Bush); and Ukraine (Obama). Trump kept him on for a few months before replacing him.

It's kind of refreshing to read about career professionals who seemed to have no trouble serving administrations of various stripes. But these guys hardly look like rabid Obamaistas who wanted to know who this apparent meddler was for purely partisan motives.

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No. ________ United States Court of Appeals
For the District of Columbia Circuit
IN RE: MICHAEL T. FLYNN,Petitioner
On Petition for a Writ of Mandamus to the United States District Court for the District of Columbia
Case No. 1:17-cr-232
EMERGENCY PETITION FOR A WRIT OF MANDAMUS
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