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Who are the people?

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:34 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
Every now and then I think that Trump supporters are just misguided. Most of them are decent people who, for one reason or another, think that that he is the best we can do as a country. Maybe I have too rosy a view of humankind; maybe I'm a wishful thinker; maybe I'm as bad as them in having an insanely dumb view of what people are really like.

And then you get something like this: a Facebook post (since deleted) from Bexar County (Texas) Republican chairperson Cynthia Brehm. And in case you think that Bexar County is some backwoods area in the Panhandle - it's San Antonio.

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For those who need a reminder (I did) MK Ultra was the CIA's mind control program 1950s to 1970s. Wikipedia piece.

From the Daily Mail story:
A spokesman for Texas Governor Greg Abbott released a statement calling for Brehm to resign on Thursday morning.

'These comments are disgusting and have no place in the Republican Party or in public discourse,' spokesman John Wittman said.

'Cynthia Brehm should immediately resign her position as Chair of the Bexar County Republican Party.'

Soon after Wittman's statement, US Sen John Cornyn's campaign issued a statement saying: 'Senator Cornyn shares Governor Abbott’s belief that Cynthia Brehm should resign.'

US Sen Ted Cruz, Lt Gov Dan Patrick and Texas GOP Chairman James Dickey followed suit with their own resignation calls on Thursday afternoon.
I'm in agreement with Abbott and Cruz? Holy shit!

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:58 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Cynthia reads a lot like Darren (perhaps not in substance but in style). That last sentence of hers . . . eerily familiar.

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:09 pm
by Big RR
I have a few friends who are Trump supporters who would call this for the bullshit that it is. The main reason for this support (so far as I can see) is a combination of reducing taxes and reducing what the the size of the federal government and what it does. To this end, they like his "outsider" personna and say he's not wedded to fleecing the people the way career policians are (something I wouldn't entirely agree with if there were a sane person as president, and outright reject with the cheeto in chief). this is coupled with their refusal to admit they made a mistake in supporting him in the first place.

I'd be interested in seeing what they now think about Trump threatening the governors with the use of federal troops, expanding the role of the federal government.

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:20 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
My Trumpista acquaintances are most excited about courts. They want Trump to pick as many Federal and Supreme court justices as possible before he is done down by the forces of evil. They appear to be convinced that with or without Trump in future, abortion will be rolled back, homosexuality will be recriminalized, and probably black people will be painted white to blend in. But they are not racists, no sir. That Clarence Thomas - one of the good ones. And the Ben guy - he seems OK. etc etc ad nauseum

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Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:26 pm
by eddieq
We one of our own in my county. Municipalities and the public are calling for his resignation

https://twitter.com/JoeGalePA/status/12 ... 4943389702
"What we saw this weekend in Philadelphia was not a protest -- it was a riot, The perpetrators of this urban domestic terror are radical left-wing hate groups like Black Lives Matter. This organization, in particular, screams racism not to expose bigotry and injustice, but to justify the lawless destruction of our cities and surrounding communities. Their objective is to unleash chaos and mayhem without consequence by falsely claiming they, in fact, are the victims."
Of note is that there are three county commissioners. Two are democrat and he is the sole republican. My understanding is that we are required to replace him with another R if he resigns/is forced out (special election, not appointment). Since this county is largely "D" controlled, there are going to be a lot of local "R" hats in the ring. Should be an interesting race (no pun intended here) once this plays out. We have a local mayor (next town over from me) who throws her hat in for just about every race and gets her butt handed to her every time. I keep hoping she does win a "higher office" just so she goes away.

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:55 pm
by Big RR
Meade--my friends do not support that sort of agenda; they generally support the right to choose and civil rights (although a few have strange ideas about equal protection). Their interest in the courts is more to limit federal power because they are a big trough which is separated by a wide gulf from the people. Of course, I think trump's actions widen this, but I haven't seen any acknowledge this.

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:12 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Maybe it's an Ohio thing, Big RR :lol: No, wait. I got it. Your friends have no idea whether God has any characteristics at all, right? My contacts are pretty sure they know but I think they lost the plot.

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:28 pm
by Big RR
Do they view god that way? Maybe, maybe not. And I know many are fairly religious and have moral codes they hold themselves to, even if they do not want to impose those views on others. My guess is they would be fiscal conservatives, social moderates, with some being as extreme civil libertarians as I am.

As for the plot, who knows? Even Charlie Chan couldn't thicken it. :lol:

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:16 pm
by liberty
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:20 pm
That Clarence Thomas - one of the good ones.

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What is wrong with Clarence Thomas at least he believes the constitution should be read as it was written. Liberals want to read the constitution in a way to take rights away from people they don’t like.

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:20 pm
by Joe Guy
liberty wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:16 pm
......Liberals want to read the constitution in a way to take rights away from people they don’t like.
Trump is a liberal?

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:09 am
by liberty
Joe Guy wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:20 pm
liberty wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:16 pm
......Liberals want to read the constitution in a way to take rights away from people they don’t like.
Trump is a liberal?
They still have the right to protest, but when liberal fascists gain total power there will be concentration camps for designated racist and other undesirables. The question is, will you be one of the undesirables?

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:21 am
by Scooter
"Liberal fascist" makes as much sense as saying "Republican communist".

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:15 am
by MajGenl.Meade
liberty wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:16 pm
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:20 pm
That Clarence Thomas - one of the good ones.

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What is wrong with Clarence Thomas at least he believes the constitution should be read as it was written. Liberals want to read the constitution in a way to take rights away from people they don’t like.
Let me 'splain. The spittle was directed at people who "know a black dude who's OK" without (consciously perhaps) understanding that the remark reveals their own racism/prejudice - not at Justice Thomas per se.

I'm working hard to think of a "right" that any "liberal" has taken away from me or anyone else. 'Splain that, Rucy!

PS don't bother telling me about Constitutional rights that have been clarified by expansion to groups you (or I for that matter) don't support. Where you find a "right" that has been taken away, please also also 'splain the counter-argument so I know you appreciate that when rights conflict, the higher and better rights must take precedence.

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:08 pm
by Econoline
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:15 am
I'm working hard to think of a "right" that any "liberal" has taken away from me or anyone else.
Yep, ^THIS^, me too.


Oh wait, maybe this is what he meant? Image

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:11 pm
by Darren
Hillary Clinton must still be wondering the same thing. I bet if she was on the beach and the waters receded she'd run out and look for stuff too.

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:31 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
liberty wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:16 pm

What is wrong with Clarence Thomas at least he believes the constitution should be read as it was written.
I am so fed up with this argument. If we went with the constitution as written, Hillary Clinton* would be VP working with Trump on administering. You know, running the post office and the military carrying out the legislators' policies: and of course "he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." The administrative role was second in the constitution. Not first. There was a reason for that.

Oh and BTW blacks and women wouldn't vote. They certainly would not have a representative on the SCOTUS. So don't give me that 'original intent' bullshit.

If that's what you want, you and Justice Thomas should say so. Then at least it wold be clear how you 'think.'

* Except of course she wouldn't because as a woman she would not have run . . .

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:32 am
by Econoline
Robyn Pennacchia at Wonkette answers Andy's question:
How does one determine whether or not a person is "real"? There's the old "I think, therefore I am" technique. There's poking. There's checking to see if they bleed or if they have computer panels in theirs back like Vicky from "Small Wonder," or if they're inflatable then they might have a little plastic thing you blow into. You could always check to make sure there isn't a person standing underneath them with their hand up the possibly unreal person's butt. Or to make sure they don't have strings attached to their arms and legs. You could pinch yourself to make sure you are not dreaming or hallucinating.

Unless you're a Republican, in which case you can tell whether or not a person is real simply by knowing their address. They've been quite clear about this for some time now. Real Americans live in rural areas, vote Republican, are Christian, and are into NASCAR, and everyone else is either imaginary or French.

There are a lot of imaginary/maybe French people in this country. In fact, just those living in non-Republican-majority areas alone (which is the first test) vastly outnumber those who do, and have for some time now. If we go by address alone, UnReal Americans currently outnumber Real Americans by 31 million.
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That's a lot! And Republicans think we already have way too much voting power, and would like us to be more understanding of the fact that our voting power needs to be tempered to give as much advantage to Real Americans as possible. And that is why, yesterday, Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) and Steve Daines (R-Montana) held a press conference to explain why DC must not be a state.

They explained that the push for DC statehood is just a power grab by Democrats, who want to nefariously take power from good states like South Carolina and Montana by letting the UnReal Americans of Washington DC have representation in Congress.

"This is not about voting," Senator Graham explained, "this is about altering the makeup of the House and the Senate." And the only way we can keep the House and the Senate the exact same is to not allow people to vote. Especially imaginary people. It just makes sense.

He then explained that, instead of keeping things the way Republicans want things, Democrats are always nefariously trying to do things the way they want to do things and "reshape America" into what they want it to be.

"From a South Carolina point of view, this is not a good deal for us. Being two of 50 is better than being two of 52," the noted math whiz explained, "This would dilute South Carolina's say in the United States Senate."

Well then! Why don't we just make it so only South Carolina can vote? Would that work for Sen. Graham? We wouldn't want to dilute their say, after all.

Sen. Steve Daines explained that a really good reason to oppose letting the people of Washington DC have the same representation as people who live elsewhere is that those people who live elsewhere don't want them to. And those people, unlike the people who live in Washington DC, are real people.
"If you get outside the Beltway and craziness here of Washington DC, the American people agree with us. Sometimes I think it's important for senators, congressmen, in fact, most the time, get out of this city, go out to where the real people are at across our country and ask them what they think."
So, just to be clear, it is important for senators, congresspeople, etc., to get out of DC and see the real people across the country, but it is not important for them to pick up on the fact that there are people living in DC other than them. Unless they think the people who make their coffee in the morning or deliver their mail or have other regular jobs that regular people have in a regular city are all robots? But also it's okay for those senators, congresspeople, etc., to vote in their own home states?

Wait. Maybe it's because Washington DC is 49 percent black and "they don't see color"? Maybe that's why they don't think "real people" live there?

They're not really explicitly clear on who it is in Washington DC that is undeserving of the the same representation as every other citizen of the United States (except the citizens of the United States who live in Puerto Rico). Clearly, they think they, the senators and congresspeople, should be able to vote for their own representatives or their own selves in their home states, but they don't think that the regular people who live and work in DC should be able to have that, because of how they wouldn't vote the way Lindsey Graham and Steve Daines would vote?

All we can be sure of is that the only fair way to do anything is to make sure that Republicans always have an outsize influence on American politics, even if that means some people won't get to have their votes counted or be represented in the halls of government.

Re: Who are the people?

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:11 am
by MajGenl.Meade
D.C. is not a state, should never be a state and er . . . that's that. Real/unreal USians? Just a rubbish stalking horse. People who choose to live there knew the terms of the lease and should stop trying to redecorate the bathroom without the landlord's permission