DNC

[BoSoxGal]

Who’s watching?


So far I think they’re doing well with the production of this weird distanced gathering.

[Scooter]

All I caught of it was Michelle Obama, who hit the bullseye.

[Sue U]

She is really good at this.

[Sue U]

Ok, so we've given up all pretense that these events are any kind of actual convention at which party members meet and get shit done and we're just going with a four-night infomercial for the Democratic Party. Which is fine I guess but there's certainly nothing newsworthy that's going to come out of it and I feel like maybe 2 nights is about my limit for watching. I generally can't stand TV anyway and I don't see much potential in the storyline for this show. I mean, Michelle Obama said everything that needed to be said, so I guess I don't see what else this is designed to accomplish.

[Scooter]

I certainly don't plan to watch more than bits and pieces of it. It will all be on YouTube as soon as it happens, so will be easy enough to pick and choose what we want to watch.

[BoSoxGal]

There were several good bits, including John Kasich - who I really wish LJ had been here to see speak at the DNC. oh heck I’m just missing the hell out of LJ for all this politics stuff. Talk about an example of good character.

Yeah Michelle Obama was terrific. She’s just an enormously likable and really decent human being - I’m glad she doesn’t like politics because she will remain an untainted voice of moral guidance and patriotism for this country for hopefully decades to come.

[BoSoxGal]

Ok, so we've given up all pretense that these events are any kind of actual convention at which party members meet and get shit done and we're just going with a four-night infomercial for the Democratic Party. Which is fine I guess but there's certainly nothing newsworthy that's going to come out of it and I feel like maybe 2 nights is about my limit for watching. I generally can't stand TV anyway and I don't see much potential in the storyline for this show. I mean, Michelle Obama said everything that needed to be said, so I guess I don't see what else this is designed to accomplish.

The caucuses are happening all week during the day as at a regular convention, aired on the convention’s YouTube channel. Obviously not the same as a regular convention, but they ARE meeting on platform issues. And I’m sure lots of smaller Zoom meetings and phone conferences are happening.

[Scooter]

"Joe Biden goes to church so regularly that he doesn't need tear gas and a bunch of federalized troops to get there." -- Julia Louis-Dreyfus

[Scooter]

"When Donald Trump spoke at his inauguration about American carnage, I assumed that was something he was against, not a campaign promise."

[BoSoxGal]

Great speech by Jon Meacham

[MajGenl.Meade]

Let's play "Spot the difference"!

Democrat platform 2016:
Guaranteeing Civil Rights
Democrats will always fight to end discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, language, religion, gender, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.
Page 16

Democrat platform 2020 (draft?):
Protecting Americans’ Civil Rights
Democrats are committed to ending discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin,
language, gender, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability status.
Page 35

(And yes, I have read what is said about the R word later on in the 2020 document)

(And yes, I still vote against Trump - but not for Biden)

[BoSoxGal]

Let's play "Spot the difference"!

Democrat platform 2016:
Guaranteeing Civil Rights
Democrats will always fight to end discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, language, religion, gender, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.
Page 16

Democrat platform 2020 (draft?):
Protecting Americans’ Civil Rights
Democrats are committed to ending discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin,
language, gender, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability status.
Page 35

(And yes, I have read what is said about the R word later on in the 2020 document)

(And yes, I still vote against Trump - but not for Biden)

Not sure what point you’re trying to make or where you found this side by side, but it’s an inaccurate representation of the 2020 Democratic platform. Here is that document, and the language you highlight appears on the middle of page 39 and does in fact include the word RELIGION.

Protecting Americans’ Civil Rights
Democrats are committed to ending discrimination on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, language, gender, age, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability status.

https://www.demconvention.com/wp-conten ... bution.pdf

I’d have a hard time believing, just as a matter of common sense document editing, that the word was ever removed in any official draft. You’d have to provide very reputable evidence to convince me otherwise.

I suspect you’ve been fooled by a propaganda source.

eta: From what I’ve seen with my own eyes for over 3 decades, and from the evidence of Hill staffer friends when I was a student in DC in the late 90s, Joe Biden is a man who walks and lives by his faith. If it’s your intention to stand in your shoes and cast stones at him in his, you’re going to end up with egg on your face.

[MajGenl.Meade]

I appreciate the update BSG. I was wondering why they considered dropping "religion" in the draft but perhaps it was just a mistake.

What I quoted was (as of this a.m. in SA) from www.demconvention.com and it was the July 21, 2020 DRAFT platform. It's a PDF so I don't know how to link.

This is the Google result:

2020 Democratic Party Platform - 2020 Democratic National ...
www.demconvention.com › wp-content › uploads › 20...
PDF
Jul 21, 2020 - 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. 9. 10. 11. The Democratic National Committee ...
You've visited this page 2 times. Last visit: 2020/08/20

It has numbered lines for discussion and mark-up.

As of 60 minutes ago (per my Google search just now), www.democonvention.com is carrying the final approved version which you quote and which I have now downloaded for further reading.

er, no. I am not casting stones at Joe Biden??? I am casting my vote for him to win in November but not because of their platform (or rather, not in totality). I am voting for Biden/Harris to get rid of Trump/Pensay

[Sue U]

(And yes, I still vote against Trump - but not for Biden)

That is still a vote for Trump. I'm sorry (I truly am, and I genuinely wish it were otherwise), but the only way to vote against Trump is to vote for Biden.

Meade, I have almost always voted "third party" for the last 44 years. This year, even though my state will reliably go blue, I am voting for the Democrats. Trump and Trumpism must be thoroughly crushed in the most clear and obvious way possible -- so that the endless punditry and media analysis cannot see it any other way -- and we can't create that with a splintered opposition. Trump lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes in 2016, but relentlessly touts his "landslide" victory in the Electoral College because he won in states where few people actually live. Trump has made it clear that if he loses he will contest the results in every forum available to him. We have to make it equally clear by every conceivable metric that he suffered a resounding loss by great margins. And because we have a stupid two-party system, those margins must be created between the candidates of those parties.

I am not exaggerating when I say that the foundational institutions of democratic government and democracy itself are seriously at risk in this election. It goes beyond mere bad policy decisions (regardless of whether you think those bad policies are promoted by Republicans or Democrats). It appears to me that for many Republicans in government, policy is no longer even an issue; it is all about -- and only about -- power. This attitude is corrupting and dangerous, and it must be rooted out in the most decisive manner possible.

[Sue U]

er, no. I am not casting stones at Joe Biden??? I am casting my vote for him to win in November but not because of their platform (or rather, not in totality). I am voting for Biden/Harris to get rid of Trump/Pensay

Never mind my previous post then. Your prior post left me with the impression you would be voting for a third-party candidate.

[MajGenl.Meade]

I didn't phrase it well.

[Burning Petard]

The party platform is an exercise in Magical Thinking. That is, thinking that by saying the words, or putting them on paper, the universe has changed.

Nobody after the election will change their behavior because of what the platform says. Rarely will any elected politician even read it.

snailgate

[MajGenl.Meade]

Key word is "after". You may pay no attention to it, but there are many out there who do. And to far too many folk, the "worshipers of Moloch" say "freedom of religion" but go on to make it clear that indeed it doesn't mean squat to them. It does mean (as the platform plainly states) that protecting freedom of religion does not mean allowing some people to exercise their right to a moral conscience when that conflicts with (say) equal protection under the Constitution. They believe the Democrat party will implement all the things they hate, as promised.

To those folk, DNC should be spelled D 'n C. Granted, they were almost 100% ready to vote Trump in any case. However, some may not have been galvanized into action without once again seeing that their "America" is under attack not from the White House but from radical left baby-killers.

I stands mit Biden

[BoSoxGal]

There aren’t any baby killers in the Democratic Party. There are quite a few in the GOP.