Pie nails it yet again.

[Gob]

[TPFKA@W]

Oh good golly is he on the money. There are sleeper cells of Trump voters waiting to disappoint. Of the people on my Book of Faces I know only 3 Biden voters. Most are silent but with some digging I have figured out who they support (Trump). Biggest disappointment is Suzanne who is so liberal leaning on her page but then I took a look at her husband's page and it was literally all pro Trump, every post. I realize that Suzanne is a sleeper. (Or possibly on the verge of divorce.) But then this is Indiana, and while we went with Obama, then assumed outlier in 2012, it was back to red in 2016, so it's really not surprising.

I remember 2016 election day. I was working evening shift. I went to work fully figuring on the day bringing us President Hillabeast. As the evening wore on and I was in and out of rooms with TV's on election coverage I kept hearing bits and bobs of upsets and surprised TV commentators. I was not feeling great when I got home and I took 2 tramadols for general pain. Tramadol has the regrettable side effect (for me) of causing sleeplessness. So I stayed up til 4 am or so in a chair, in my private zone, not asleep, not really awake with the TV on and realized they had just declared Trump the victor. I really thought it was the drugs and lack of sleep making me hallucinate. I got out of the chair and went and woke up my husband to tell him. I am concerned that this is going to be a repeat affair.

[BoSoxGal]

There is some wisdom in there but it’s mixed with some serious bullshit too. If he honestly thinks the democrats aren’t running on anything but anti-Trump, he hasn’t paid one bit of attention to the campaign wherein extensive policy platforms were proposed by numerous candidates, with an extensive policy framework available on the nominee’s campaign website.

And, it is disingenuous in the extreme to just blow off the ‘I’m not going to be like Trump’ angle of Biden’s campaigning, because Trump is FUCKING ANTI-AMERICAN. His behavior in the office, his disdain for the norms of the office, his disdain for the RULE OF LAW upon which this best of all nations was founded, his total disregard for our allies who bled for us to earn our loyalty, his embrace of our adversaries who have spilled American blood and thirst for more - UNAMERICAN.

I really can’t see how that isn’t importantly the focus of his campaign speeches, which also include lists of policy proposals- from THE guy who led the team that rebuilt the economy and launched the longest period of uninterrupted economic growth in American history.

So yeah that video glosses over truth in the pursuit of entertainment.

That said, I recognize that anything is possible. Now that I am nearly 50, if I have learned anything it is that so much is unknowable about the ways of my fellow humans. They do insane things and have done so throughout history. The biggest flaw in American exceptionalism (and there are a great many, I concede) is that it left so many of us certain that we could never be Nazi Germany. But as a second generation German American I have always been fascinated by the rise of the Third Reich and how my distant (because I never met them) cousins could have been Good Germans.

After the rise of Trump and Trumpism, I now understand more fully than ever before, how people can be on the surface lovely people, family and friends and neighbors who you’ve always enjoyed and just assumed were living in the same reality as you but who always had an authoritarian proclivity in their personality that when somebody like Trump came along, they were primed to be on board. And they’re still on the surface a nice person, a person who would do you a favor or help you in a pinch, and a person you’d still enjoy watching a game with - if you didn’t now know that they’re okay with tearing screaming babies from the arms of their mothers and orphaning them forever because it makes us look tough.

Anything is possible.

[Crackpot]

@w You and me both I know far more trump voters than been voters. But that may also be because trump supporters won’t shut the fuck up about it.

[Bicycle Bill]

Are There REALLY That Many Trump Supporters?

LITITZ, Pennsylvania (AP) — They began to arrive more than 40 hours before President Donald Trump took the stage in this stretch of rural Pennsylvania where horse-drawn buggies remain a common sight. By 10 p.m., a small group had set up an overnight camp on lawn chairs as a cold drizzle set in.

“I am the crazy Trumper,” declared Kyle Terry, 33. He had been the first to arrive at the IMAX parking lot — at 8 p.m. Saturday for a Monday afternoon rally, his fifth of the fall. “I love it. I’ve been having the most fun of my life. And I really just don’t want this to stop."

As President Donald Trump faces an uncertain future, so too does a fixture of the American political scene over the last five years: the Trump campaign rally, a phenomenon that has spawned friendships, businesses and a way of life for Trump’s most dedicated supporters. His fans have traveled the country to be part of what they describe as a movement that could outlive his time in office.

Some have attended so many rallies they've lost count, road-tripping from arena to arena like rock groupies. They come for the energy, the validation of being surrounded by like-minded people, the feeling of being part of something bigger than themselves. Sociologists and historians see elements of a religious following.

They are people like Cynthia Reidler, 55, who has been a Trump supporter since he announced his candidacy. She has been to nearly 20 Trump events, from rallies to Fourth of July celebrations on the National Mall.
(more here)

So are we seeing a true representation of the numbers and size of the Trump base, or are we seeing the same heads, bodies, and faces in the crowd over and over?
Is Trump actually motivating the masses, or has he just found himself a cadre of groupies and super-fans who follow the guy from venue to venue?

And of course, you have to wonder how someone in his mid-thirties, or a woman in her fifties, are able to put everything else — work, home, family, etc. — aside yet still have the money in order to devote this much time to being a modern-day 'Deadhead'.

-"BB"-

[BoSoxGal]

[Darren]

This is an interesting thread.

I'm reminded of the time the earthwork foreman on a new school project in 2016 told me what happened to Hillary Clinton when she made her first and last campaign visit to WV. His glee was obvious.

Later I wondered how Clinton's campaign advisors had so misjudged the attitude of West Virginians who had previously voted for her husband. I see the same thing now.

At its most basic it's a general distrust of government and the best Congress money can buy. Trump as a non-career politician is seen as a badly needed change agent.

The obvious question is why do political parties and their advisors still believe whoever spends the most on campaign media will win when the internet has now displaced the media as a perceived reliable information source.

I haven't owned a TV for close to ten years. The internet allows me to bypass the American media and view topics w/o a nanny filter.

The biased media was obvious when I had an opportunity to watch a Japanese news channel in a motel. The depth and breadth of the news coverage was a revelation. There was access similar to the internet. Foreign affairs was reported dispassionately w/o spin.

There was no Trump icing on the cake to change the flavor.

[Burning Petard]

It is not just Trump and Biden voters who don't talk to each other. "The Hidden Brain" podcast for this week described a research project where a gazillion hours of C-span were watched to log how many times somebody crossed the center aisle to talk to someone on the other side. When C-span first started, it happened frequently. Now it might as well be 'never'.

snailgate

[TPFKA@W]

. Biggest disappointment is Suzanne who is so liberal leaning on her page but then I took a look at her husband's page and it was literally all pro Trump, every post. I realize that Suzanne is a sleeper. (Or possibly on the verge of divorce.)

In the wee hours last night Suzanne made soem somewhat cryptic remarks about giving love and getting none in return, yadda yadda, so I asked her if her husband's ass needed kicking. She informed me they are splitting. So maybe all the Trump stuff got to her after all.

[Darren]

Pennsylvania (Butler?) rally

[BoSoxGal]

What a motherfucker.

[liberty]

I predict that Biden will win, and Trump will lose. It is hard to beat THE AMERICAN LIBERAL MEDIA.

[Joe Guy]

I predict that Biden will win, and Trump will lose.......

Is that two predictions?

[Darren]

Contrary to what the media is saying, it looks like a landslide for Trump. The only thing up in the air is will the House be flipped?

[MajGenl.Meade]

Time for liberals to start buying guns then.

[Joe Guy]

I’m gonna get all of my Antifa friends together and go beat up some fascists if Trump wins.

[dales]

Weather Best By Government Test

[wesw]

the cities aren t boarding up and calling out the Guard because they are afraid of trump supporters.

we will stand with the Guard.

we are not afraid

well, maybe we are, but it doesn t matter

covfefe

on another note....

...meade, your posts are becoming indistinguishable from scooter s

you d better buck up your thinking there, mate....

(sorry , gob, i couldn t resist)

feel ffree to cuss me out

[Joe Guy]

Weather Best By Government Test

That's "Climate Best By Government Test", which means global warming doesn't affect us in RWC as much as everyone else on earth.....

[dales]

Sorry, I messed up.

I need to visit RWC and stroll down B'way by the (once was the) Fox theater.

Fifty-cent movies back in the '70's.