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Re: 2020 Election results

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Darren wrote:
Fri Nov 13, 2020 1:40 am
True or false?

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So you're saying that a senior barrister is going to clearly and openly act on what you perceive to be a deep-seated grudge?

Jesus Christ, with people as delusional as you and wesw, someone could probably convince you that the compass is all wrong and the sun actually rises in the north, makes a 90-degree bend during the day, and sets in the east.
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Pennsylvania Courts Reject Trump Campaign Effort To Throw Out Thousands Of Mail-In Ballots

Pennsylvania state courts issued a slew of rulings Friday striking down the Trump campaign’s efforts to get mail-in ballots in Philadelphia and nearby Montgomery County thrown out for minor defects, delivering the latest blow to President Donald Trump’s legal effort to challenge the election results in battleground states and thwarting the campaign’s strategy of trying to invalidate mail-in ballots in a bid to narrow the Pennsylvania race between Trump and President-elect Joe Biden.

The Pennsylvania Court of Common Pleas rejected five petitions by the Trump campaign to invalidate mail-in ballots in Philadelphia, which ultimately upheld approximately 8,300 ballots.

The Trump campaign had challenged mail-in ballots that were counted despite the voter leaving out some information on the ballot’s outer envelope, such as their address or not printing their name in addition to signing it.

A Pennsylvania court also rejected a Trump campaign effort to invalidate 592 mail-in ballots in Montgomery County in which the voter did not print their address on the outer envelope.

The Trump campaign admitted in court in the Montgomery County case that the ballots in question were not in any way fraudulent, and the campaign previously withdrew its effort to also challenge thousands of provisional ballots cast in Montgomery County.

Though there weren’t enough ballots in question to erase Biden’s lead in Pennsylvania if they were thrown out, Trump campaign chief legal counsel Matt Morgan said Thursday the campaign had been hoping that a series of favorable rulings targeting small numbers of ballots would invalidate enough ballots to get within the 0.5% margin that would trigger a recount—which Friday’s rulings have now likely made impossible.

The Pennsylvania rulings are part of a broader legal effort by the Trump campaign to challenge Biden’s presidential win, which has involved lawsuits in Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia and Michigan and been dismissed as largely meritless by legal experts. Though the Trump campaign did notch a minor win in Pennsylvania Thursday, as a court invalidated some mail-in ballots with proof of identification issues that had not yet been counted, the legal effort has largely been unsuccessful thus far. The mail-in ballot rulings in Philadelphia and Montgomery County came after the Trump campaign and GOP had already lost court rulings in Michigan and Pennsylvania earlier Friday, and dropped an effort to contest ballots in Maricopa County, Arizona because it could not impact the presidential result.

A similar Trump campaign lawsuit challenging mail-in ballots is still pending in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, as is a more wide-ranging Trump lawsuit that seeks to invalidate Pennsylvania’s election. (The law firm that had been representing the Trump campaign withdrew from that case late Thursday, and legal experts say the lawsuit is unlikely to succeed.) It’s also still possible that the U.S. Supreme Court could invalidate the state’s extended deadline allowing mail-in ballots to be counted if they arrived by Friday, Nov. 6, but those ballots are being segregated and thus would not affect the current vote count if invalidated.
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GOP Loses In Michigan, Again: Judge Denies ‘Incorrect And Not Credible’ Effort To Block Election Results

A Michigan state judge denied a GOP effort to delay the certification of election results in Detroit Friday after the battleground state elected Joe Biden over President Donald Trump, issuing a ruling that forcefully struck down Republican election observers’ allegations of impropriety and voter fraud as “incorrect and not credible” speculation not backed up by evidence.

The Michigan GOP plaintiffs—which did not include the Trump campaign—filed a lawsuit calling for the court to order an independent audit of the election results in Wayne County, where Detroit is located, due to alleged instances of election workers being unfairly blocked by election workers and other misconduct by workers during the vote counting process.

The GOP’s claims, which echo baseless rhetoric used by President Donald Trump and his supporters claiming the Michigan election was “rigged,” were countered in affidavits filed by Michigan election workers, which said the process ran smoothly and was not rife with improprieties as the GOP plaintiffs allege.

Michigan Circuit Judge Timothy M. Kenny ruled that the defendants’ testimony was “a more accurate and persuasive explanation” of how the vote counting played out, and slammed the GOP affidavits as “generalized,” having “no evidentiary basis” and “rife with speculation and guess-work about sinister motives.”

Kenny noted that one witness “only came forward to complain after...his candidate had lost,” and suggested the GOP witnesses did not “have a full understanding” of how votes were being tabulated because none of them attended an October session that walked through the ballot counting location and gave more information about the tabulation process.

Kenny said that if he did grant the Republican request for an independent audit, it would “involve untold delay” to the certification of ballots, and would “undermine faith in the Electoral System.”

The Republican plaintiffs also have other remedies for their complaints that make their audit request unnecessary, Kenny noted, including petitioning the Wayne County Board of Canvassers or asking for a recount after votes are certified.

587,064. That’s the number of votes Biden received in Wayne County, according to unofficial results released by the county, as compared with 264,149 votes for Trump.

“It would be an unprecedented exercise of judicial activism for this Court to stop the certification process of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers,” Kenny wrote. “The Court cannot defy a legislatively crafted process, substitute its judgment for that of the Legislature, and appoint an independent auditor because of an unwieldy process.”

A Trump campaign lawsuit, which makes similar claims to the Wayne County lawsuit and even quotes that lawsuit in its entirety, is still playing out in court. (Another lawsuit aimed at stopping Michigan’s vote count failed last week.) Michigan Republican lawmakers have also called for the state to conduct an audit of its election results in recent days amid Biden’s win, and there have been some concerns among Trump critics in Michigan about the state’s Board of State Canvassers, which consists of two Republicans and two Democrats and certifies each county’s election results. One of the Republicans has so far made no promises that he will certify Biden’s win, which could potentially result in chaos and the state’s Republican legislature choosing its own electors if the other Republican board member follows and the board has a 2-2 tied vote.

The Michigan lawsuit was part of a broader effort by the Trump campaign and GOP to challenge the election results in battleground states, which has been largely dismissed by legal experts as meritless and so far largely failed. The Trump campaign has largely relied on affidavits and declarations by voters and observers who allegedly experienced or witnessed voting issues for its legal defense, though no actual credible evidence proving voter fraud or impropriety by election workers has yet emerged. That strategy, however, has so far not proved successful: along with the Michigan ruling striking down witnesses’ affidavits as baseless, the Trump campaign admitted in a court hearing in Arizona Thursday that its efforts to gather testimony from voters there using a web form resulted in a number of false declarations. The judge noted this was “concerning,” and questioned whether the campaign’s strategy was “a reliable process of gathering evidence.”
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Joe Guy wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:00 pm
Darren wrote:
Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:57 pm

That was directly from his father who observed the count. Happily an independent observer saw the same.

I won't get into the details. The entire set up including the cameras for the observers prevented them from doing their job.
Do you interpret that as evidence of voter fraud?
Given the reports from other Democrat run cities and a previous election, YES!

Pennsylvania is an interesting state.

I've seen things in Pennsylvania you don't see in West Virginia where the only thing the state is number one in is automobile/deer collisions. I was surprised that West Virginia does things better than Pennsylvania.

The best summation I can think of for Pennsylvania is it's a state where "I've got mine and you don't fuck with it" applies in everything I've looked at closely. Authority? What authority?

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Darren just knows there's fraud in Democrat-run cities! There was even a case [*checks notes*] 26 years ago! Where a local special election was overturned by a federal court!

This week, however, the GOP lawsuits are being crushed not only in the PA state courts, but in the federal District Courts and the 3d Circuit Court of Appeals as well. Because the "voter fraud" is [*checks notes again*] counting all the legally cast votes, the horror!
2020 presidential election
US appeals court rejects effort to block late ballots in Pennsylvania


Friday, November 13, 2020 3:48PM

Joe Biden adds to his lead in Pennsylvania, while President Trump's lawsuits disputing election results have remained largely fruitless.

PHILADELPHIA -- A federal appeals court in Philadelphia on Friday rejected an effort led by a Republican congressional candidate to block about 9,300 ballots that arrived after Election Day.

The three-judge panel, led by Chief U.S. Circuit Judge Brooks Smith, noted the "unprecedented challenges" facing the nation this year, especially the "vast disruption" caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.

Smith said the panel sought to uphold "a proposition indisputable in our democratic process: that the lawfully cast vote of every citizen must count."

The ruling involves the Pennsylvania Supreme Court's decision to accept mail-in ballots that arrived by Friday, Nov. 6, three days after the close of polling places. That court had agreed with Democratic state officials who wanted to extend the deadline amid concerns about Postal Service delays and the pandemic.

State Republicans have separately asked the U.S. Supreme Court to review the issue. However, there are not enough late-arriving ballots to change the results in Pennsylvania, given President-elect Joe Biden's lead. The Democratic former vice president won the state by about 60,000 votes out of about 6.8 million cast.
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If you’ve seen this iconic image of Kamala Harris, first black VP, accompanied by the shadow/silhouette of Ruby Bridges (as painted by Norman Rockwell in 1964), the first child to desegregate an all-white school — think about this ....

Ms. Bridges is alive and well and only ten years older than VP Harris.  In fact, Ruby's mother, Lucille, was also alive until just this week, passing away last Wednesday at the age of 86.

This isn’t ancient history, it’s NOW!   And many of the players are still with us.
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Then there's this:

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Probably as much of a concession as he'll ever make.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCsJ-24 ... r_embedded

I am not sure why this does not post in the usual YouTube way: I used the shortcut and deleted the = sign and all before it. It's the video of the Rockwell painting at the WH with Obama and Ms Bridges.

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I can’t tell by quoting your post, but I think you used the wrong kind of link with the code. Or the wrong code with the link.
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Or the wrong link with the link. Or the wrong code with the code.
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Sue U wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:43 pm
Darren just knows there's fraud in Democrat-run cities! There was even a case [*checks notes*] 26 years ago! Where a local special election was overturned by a federal court!

This week, however, the GOP lawsuits are being crushed not only in the PA state courts, but in the federal District Courts and the 3d Circuit Court of Appeals as well. Because the "voter fraud" is [*checks notes again*] counting all the legally cast votes, the horror!
2020 presidential election
US appeals court rejects effort to block late ballots in Pennsylvania


Friday, November 13, 2020 3:48PM

Joe Biden adds to his lead in Pennsylvania, while President Trump's lawsuits disputing election results have remained largely fruitless.

PHILADELPHIA -- A federal appeals court in Philadelphia on Friday rejected an effort led by a Republican congressional candidate to block about 9,300 ballots that arrived after Election Day.

The three-judge panel, led by Chief U.S. Circuit Judge Brooks Smith, noted the "unprecedented challenges" facing the nation this year, especially the "vast disruption" caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.

Smith said the panel sought to uphold "a proposition indisputable in our democratic process: that the lawfully cast vote of every citizen must count."

The ruling involves the Pennsylvania Supreme Court's decision to accept mail-in ballots that arrived by Friday, Nov. 6, three days after the close of polling places. That court had agreed with Democratic state officials who wanted to extend the deadline amid concerns about Postal Service delays and the pandemic.

State Republicans have separately asked the U.S. Supreme Court to review the issue. However, there are not enough late-arriving ballots to change the results in Pennsylvania, given President-elect Joe Biden's lead. The Democratic former vice president won the state by about 60,000 votes out of about 6.8 million cast.
I subscribe to every bit of this. The courts have been crystal clear — THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF VOTING FRAUD. Anyone who says otherwise is a fucking liar, and trying to destabilize democracy. Please go fuck off to some fascist country; you are not welcome here.
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I hear (BBC friday) some official from Myanmar state that the White house is attempting to run an election the way is it done in Myanmar.

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Trump campaign jettisons major parts of its legal challenge against Pennsylvania’s election results

President Trump’s campaign on Sunday scrapped a major part of its federal lawsuit challenging the election results in Pennsylvania.

Trump’s attorneys filed a revised version of the lawsuit, removing allegations that election officials violated the Trump campaign’s constitutional rights by limiting the ability of their observers to watch votes being counted.

Trump and Rudolph W. Giuliani, his personal attorney, have said repeatedly that more than 600,000 votes in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh should be invalidated because of this issue.

Trump’s pared-down lawsuit now focuses on allegations that Republicans were illegally disadvantaged because some Democratic-leaning counties allowed voters to fix errors on their mail ballots. Counties have said this affected only a small number of votes.

Cliff Levine, an attorney representing the Democratic Party in the case, said on Sunday evening that Trump’s move meant his lawsuit could not possibly change the result.

“Now you’re only talking about a handful of ballots,” Levine said. “They would have absolutely no impact on the total count or on Joe Biden’s win over Donald Trump.”

Kathy Boockvar, Pennsylvania’s Democratic secretary of state, submitted a court filing in response to the Trump campaign’s actions reiterating her request for the judge to dismiss the lawsuit.

The shift comes amid a string of losses in the Trump campaign’s post-election legal effort, which claimed without evidence that voter fraud, irregularities and rule-breaking led to Biden’s victory. The flurry of post-election litigation has affirmed the integrity of the election: Many of the complaints have been tossed, and not a single vote has been invalidated.

The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment Sunday evening. Earlier in the day, Trump suggested that his legal challenges of the election results would continue.

“Many of the court cases being filed all over the Country are not ours, but rather those of people that have seen horrible abuses,” he said in a tweet. “Our big cases showing the unconstitutionality of the 2020 Election, & the outrage of things that were done to change the outcome, will soon be filed!”

But even as the campaign continued filing appeals in other Pennsylvania cases Saturday that became public on Sunday, the withdrawal of one of its most aggressive claims curtails a central part of its effort to fend off the certification of the vote in the state.

The revised filing came on a day when Trump reiterated his intention not to concede the Nov. 3 election to Biden, moments after seeming to acknowledge the results. Biden won the popular vote and was projected the winner of the race, having received 306 electoral college votes to Trump’s 232. States are still certifying the results.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court is considering a case on the dispute over observers’ access to the vote count. Philadelphia authorities have asked the court to reverse a state appellate court’s order to allow Trump campaign observers to watch the count from six feet away. The Democratic Party filed a brief in support of the city. The Trump campaign alleges that Philadelphia officials kept observers behind a barrier that was too far from the counting activity in a large hall at the Pennsylvania Convention Center. It claims that the officials applied an overly literal reading of a state law that every party and candidate may have a representative in the room while votes are counted.
Once again, it comes down to the fact that lawyers cannot make representations to a court which they know to be false, because that will risk getting them disbarred.
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Must be some kind of joke down there in Georgia
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Actually, having a close review of the vote will help Biden as those who are willing to accept the results will know Trump was given all the opportunities to make his case.

In such a close race where both sides turn out was very high, one factor that has not been commented on very much is how the D's were able to keep the Green "protest" vote to a minimum compared to prior elections. That alone can be the reason Biden won tight races in a few of the swing states.

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A week later, Texas' Dan Patrick still has his $1 million

After Election Day had come and gone, Donald Trump and many of his allies did what Republicans often do: they alleged widespread "voter fraud" without any evidence. As the Texas Tribune noted a week ago today, one GOP official went a little further than most.

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick said Tuesday he is offering up to $1 million to "incentivize, encourage and reward" people for reports of voter fraud in Texas, even as there's been no evidence of mass voter fraud and experts say it's rare.... Patrick said that anyone who provides information that leads to a conviction will receive at least $25,000. The money will come from Patrick's campaign fund, according to spokesperson Sherry Sylvester.

The Texas lieutenant governor probably saw the move as helpful, but he had it backwards: Patrick was effectively arguing that he and his party suspected there was widespread fraud, but they couldn't prove it, so he hoped financial rewards would produce evidence Republicans couldn't find on their own.

Or put another way, Patrick was effectively declaring to the public, "We can't back up our talking points, so I'll pay you to help."

Regardless, a week later, it seemed like a good time to check in and see how the Texas Republican's quest is going.

Patrick hasn't had much to say about this lately, and when Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. John Fetterman (D) tried to collect on the bounty, pointing to suspected fraud from a Trump supporter, the Texan seemed reluctant to take the alert seriously.

If Patrick has enticed anyone into providing him with promising leads, he's kept it to himself.

Writing in the Houston Chronicle yesterday, Cort McMurray lamented, "We're stuck with Dan Patrick and a $1 million bounty for a fraud that never happened."

The Texas Republican no doubt thought this was a good idea at the time. It really wasn't.
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