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The Final Countdown

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The Scariest Days Of The Trump Presidency Could Be The Final 74
by S.V. Date — Senior White House Correspondent, HuffPost
Sat, November 7, 2020, 11:05 AM CST


Americans nervous about a president who wanted troops to shoot border crossers, and who suggested using nuclear weapons against hurricanes, could be facing the scariest days of Donald Trump’s presidency: the final ones.  As intemperate, foolhardy, and reckless as many of Trump’s actions have been to date, critics warn that they all took place as Trump faced a referendum from voters.  Now, that pending job review has passed.

“He will create as much chaos as humanly possible,” said Michael Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer and fixer who was convicted and sentenced to three years in prison for, in part, arranging illegal hush money payments to keep women from revealing affairs they had had with Trump just prior to the 2016 election.  “Donald Trump will take to the airwaves, to radio, and print media whining about how the election was stolen from him due to fraud and foreign interference,” Cohen said.  “He could never accept the fact that he lost because he is incompetent and arrogant.”

President-elect Joe Biden is set to assume the office at noon on Jan. 20, but Trump retains all of the powers of the presidency for the 74 remaining days until that moment, including his role as commander-in-chief of the United States armed forces and the country’s nuclear arsenal.

Trump has indicated that he is not inclined to cooperate in a transition because of the FBI’s investigation into the assistance Russia gave his campaign in 2016, something the president has characterized as “spying.”  “What about the transition I had where you spied on my campaign and you tried to take down the president of the United States?” he complained at a Pennsylvania rally last week.

The White House did not respond to requests for comment about this story.

Trump offered some clues about his likely path in the three days of vote counting that followed the election.  He relentlessly lied both on social media and in a 16-minute diatribe to reporters, where he accused Democrats of “stealing” the election from him and asserted ― bizarrely ― that he had already “claimed” certain states as his own.  The president has had nothing on his public schedule since the election, beyond that briefing room appearance Thursday evening.

One former White House official said on condition of anonymity that worries like Cohen’s are overwrought.  “I don’t think he will do anything out of the ordinary,” he said of Trump.

But another longtime adviser, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, said he can easily see Trump firing infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci, FBI Director Christopher Wray, and CIA Director Gina Haspel for contradicting his various claims.  “Either fire Wray, Fauci, and Haspel and act out.  Or he will behave to get good will,” the adviser said.  “Will be interesting to watch.  And it’s 50-50.”

George Conway, who supported Trump in 2016 but soon thereafter became one of his most strident critics, said a purge is almost certain.  “He’s going to fire anyone who’s ever looked at him crosswise,” said Conway, who is the husband of former top Trump aide Kellyanne Conway.

Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a historian and authoritarianism expert at New York University, agreed that Trump is likely to use his powers to “take revenge on those who are not loyal enough.”

Daniel Goldman, a former federal prosecutor who served as House Democrats’ lead lawyer during Trump’s impeachment hearings, said he predicts the president and his aides will have a busy 10 weeks or so.  “Issue all sorts of executive orders rolling back additional Obama regulations, implement new regulations without proper notice and comment, kneecap and handcuff various agencies, use the levers of power to grease the wheels for his personal financial interests post-presidency,” Goldman said.  “And, of course, pardons like you’ve never seen before.”

One of Trump’s possible pardons, of course, could be for himself, to remove the threat of federal prosecution for potential crimes he may have committed, both before taking office (bank and tax fraud) and during these past four years (obstruction of justice, for example).  It’s unclear whether he is actually permitted to self-pardon, but Trump has shown he is willing to break guidelines and laws when useful for him.  “No one has tried it before, so no court has considered the issue,” said Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor.  “It is an open question, but many people think he can’t, because the pardon clause implies that the person granting the pardon and the person receiving the pardon are different people.”

As for last-minute regulations, those can be blocked in the courts if they are improperly drafted or implemented.  And any of Trump’s executive orders can be immediately rescinded by Biden after he takes office.

It’s not clear how much interest Trump will have in any of this, though, now that he has lost.  Anthony Scaramucci, a longtime Trump friend and for a brief time a White House adviser, needed just two words to describe Trump’s likeliest lame-duck agenda:  “Play golf.”
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Yes. Yet another place where the constitution needs amending. What made sense 243 years ago (then it was 4 point something months) and 88 years ago (20th Amendment, 1932) when it moved to 20 January makes little sense now in a point and click world. I understand how in a parliamentary system the incoming PM has a team in place (Shadow Chancellor, Home Secretary, Minister of Defence etc) and ready to go while that's not true in the US system. It could be with a little work, and it might even make the ticket more attractive if we know in advance who some of the major players in the Administration will be. As an example Trumpists could hold up the possibility of AOC being the new Treasury Secretary and use that as a whip for their voters even if it was the furthest thing from Biden's mind.

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Andy--Perhaps, bet then it takes a long time to set up an administration from the more trivial administrative details (like getting offices, emails, and putting people in place in lower level positions) to the major details like vetting and setting up a cabinet. for all that, 3 months is pretty short. I'm not sure it could be done more quickly.

As for Trump, if he fires Fauci or Wray or others, so be it; if he has the ability to fire tem, they serve at the discretion of the president and know it(and Biden could always rehire them, even hire them as transition advisors if e wanted to). Executive Orders, they can be a bit of a problem in the short term, but Biden could rescind all of them Day 1. Pardons could be a problem, but it i a time honored tradition of the lame duck executives at state and federal levels. I am not afraid of him pardoning himself as I doubt it would be legal (and he wouldn't take a chance), and he wouldn't take the chance. And don't forget, it wouldn't have any effect on state charges; but I guess if he wanted to he could resign a day early, name Pence president, and have Pence pardon him (whether he would is not a given, but it would be legal). But in the end, I would bet a President Biden (or even Harris) would relent and block the prosecution of a former president to "spare the nation...", much as Ford did (we never went after former presidents throughout our history, we just voted them out), so it's pretty much a wash. I guess he could cause some real mischief, but I doubt he will get away with it (he could, but I doubt it); time will tell

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Big RR wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:58 pm
Andy--Perhaps, bet then it takes a long time to set up an administration from the more trivial administrative details (like getting offices, emails, and putting people in place in lower level positions) to the major details like vetting and setting up a cabinet. for all that, 3 months is pretty short. I'm not sure it could be done more quickly.
Britain does it in a day. Once the election results are known - pretty much the same as here in the US: BBC and ITV all have reporting on the results and at some point, maybe early morning the day after if it's close, they declare a winner. They rely on actual results up and down the country as they are announced, not 'exit polls'. Sometimes it's evident with the first few results if there is a substantial swing one way or another. But the moving vans are at 10 Downing Street the day of the announcement and the Queen sends for the winner and says "Get on with it, motherfuckers!" (I am paraphrasing.)

Most of the work is done by civil servants who serve one minister after another as they are replaced. The civil servants stay. The US system of 'to the victor go the spoils' (where spoils = jobs for the boys) means that senior level appointments go to political appointees. When I lived in Buffalo, a new mayor would come in and would replace the guy in charge of snow removal. WTF?? As you can imagine snow removal is pretty important in Buffalo: but my view always was if XXXX is doing a good job, why on earth would you replace him (it was always a him) just because there is a new mayor? Made no sense to me and still does not.

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ex-khobar Andy wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:07 pm
Britain does it in a day.
Yes, but Britain has a parliamentary system where party leadership are in known positions and the opposition runs a shadow government, so almost everything is ready to go on Day One. Makes a lot more sense to run things that way, but y'know, Murica.
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He’s fired the secretary of defense and is moving forward with a replacement. He’s refusing to let the GSA sign off on transition expenses. He’s scheduling rallies to rouse his brownshirts to his cause.

It’s going to be a rocky road ahead.
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Speaking of that; I got a call from the Repulbican National Committee today (at least that's what the caller ID said)--don't know where they got my number from. The guy asked for support for the president, and I told him I heard zombies were voting in a neighboring town, but I'm not sure whether this qualifies as the dead voting or not. He had no sense of humor and hung up. Next time (if there is one) I am going to tell him that keeping the polls open late in some areas permits the vampires to vote--but are they dead or not?

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Beau of the Fifth Column talks about Biden outsmarting Trump's transition trap:
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ex-khobar Andy wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:07 pm

Britain does it in a day. Once the election results are known - pretty much the same as here in the US: BBC and ITV all have reporting on the results and at some point, maybe early morning the day after if it's close, they declare a winner. They rely on actual results up and down the country as they are announced, not 'exit polls'. Sometimes it's evident with the first few results if there is a substantial swing one way or another. But the moving vans are at 10 Downing Street the day of the announcement and the Queen sends for the winner and says "Get on with it, motherfuckers!" (I am paraphrasing.)
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Yeah, but there again, the UK doesn't have the lunacy of electing a supreme leader, then electing his opposition to run the parliament...
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true, but the biggest drawback I see to a parliamentary system is the the extreme power fringe parties sometimes get when coalition governments must be formed. No system is perfect.

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That's a good thing though surely? If enough people vote for a "fringe" party, then their views should be recognised.

The main parties will only go into coalition with minor parties they have some common ground with, after negotiating power sharing.
In the United Kingdom, coalition governments (sometimes known as "national governments") usually have only been formed at times of national crisis.

The most prominent was the National Government of 1931 to 1940. There were multi-party coalitions during both world wars. Apart from this, when no party has had a majority, minority governments normally have been formed with one or more opposition parties agreeing to vote in favour of the legislation which governments need to function: for instance the Labour government of James Callaghan formed a pact with the Liberals from March 1977 until July 1978, after a series of by-election defeats had eroded Labour's majority of three seats which had been gained at the October 1974 election. However, in the run-up to the 1997 general election, Labour opposition leader Tony Blair was in talks with Liberal Democrat leader Paddy Ashdown about forming a coalition government if Labour failed to win a majority at the election; but there proved to be no need for a coalition as Labour won the election by a landslide.

The 2010 general election resulted in a hung parliament (Britain's first for 36 years), and the Conservatives, led by David Cameron, which had won the largest number of seats, formed a coalition with the Liberal Democrats in order to gain a parliamentary majority, ending 13 years of Labour government. This was the first time that the Conservatives and Lib Dems had made a power-sharing deal at Westminster. It was also the first full coalition in Britain since 1945, having been formed 70 years virtually to the day after the establishment of Winston Churchill's wartime coalition, Labour and the Liberal Democrats have entered into a coalition twice in the Scottish Parliament, as well as twice in the Welsh Assembly.
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True, but there are examples of countries throughout the world where fringe (even lunatic fringe) parties get a lot more to say than their vote would grant, and the issues are not ones the larger party seeking to form the government wodl support (the Israel Knesset, e.g.). Sure, in any system there will, and should, be compromise on individual bills and issues; but when a few seats are needed to form a coalition government, the balance of power shifts greatly and gets a lot of their agenda through. At least that's how it looks to me.

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A parliamentary system with ranked voting and/or proportional representation in legislative districts would help fix a lot of those problems. And BTW, to get even a single seat in the Knesset your party has to get at least (currently) 3.25% of the vote -- which is substantially more than all of the "third parties" together managed to get in the recent US presidential contest.
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