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it would no longer be an 'assassination'.  Just another ordinary, everyday, run-of-the-mill murder.

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I WOULD NOT MOURN HIM!

They're going to change the definition?

(chuckle)

BB and others--You do realized that the tax-payers of America will provide a 24/7 crew from the secret service as Trump's body guards for the rest of his life, and for the ex-First Lady as well

snailgate.

As I've posted before:

We don't need martyrs.

Futurist, astrophysicist, and SF author David Brin (on Facebook):

Flailing around. I am less concerned about Trump than what desperate things Putin might try, to stave off an end to his control of DC and potential retaliation for his mafia's direct acts of war. #1 is a trumped up Iran war. #2 is fomented street war in the US. #3 scares me most... that Trump is no longer an asset, driving thousands daily away from the Fox/GOP tools Vlad has used against us. But Trump can still serve his master well, one last time... as a martyr.

Burning Petard wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:19 am

BB and others--You do realized that the tax-payers of America will provide a 24/7 crew from the secret service as Trump's body guards for the rest of his life, and for the ex-First Lady as well.

snailgate.

Yeah, I'm aware he gets protection.  But we can always hope for something like this —

Donald (to himself):  "You’re overreacting.  Everything’s fine.  They’re just all getting coffee.  At..the..same..time.  Yeah."

Then Ralphie (from 'A Christmas Story') shows up and takes him out with his “official Red Ryder, carbine action, 200-shot, range model air rifle, with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time.”

Personally, I'd rather see the orange man wearing a matching jumpsuit and being protected behind tall walls and razor wire in a maximum-security unit being run by the Bureau of Prisons/Department of Justice or the US Marshals Service or whatever group is in charge of keeping Federal-level bad guys locked up.

Sure, he'd get pardoned sooner or later, but I pose this question to the Plan B Bar Association — does a pardon completely scrub a conviction off the record, or is the pardon merely a "we forgive you; go and sin no more" declaration while the conviction still stands on the record?  If the second scenario were the case, then knowing he would carry that brand for the rest of his life would make me almost willing to give him a pardon so long as he promises to take it and go someplace far, far away.

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I’ll leave it to the experts but I don’t think it changes the record. But since Trump or anyone can be pardoned for a crime that they haven’t been charged with yet, logic tells me a presidential pardon could prevent a conviction from happening.

Joe Guy wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:09 am

I’ll leave it to the experts but I don’t think it changes the record. But since Trump or anyone can be pardoned for a crime that they haven’t been charged with yet, logic tells me a presidential pardon could prevent a conviction from happening.

Well, if he's going to get a pre-emptive pardon he'd better get it before Jan 20th, because after that I don't Biden is going to be in any big hurry to grant him one.

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According to Wikipedia Ford's partial self-justification for his pre-emptive pardon of Nixon was a 1915 SCOTUS decision:

After Ford left the White House in 1977, he privately justified his pardon of Nixon by carrying in his wallet a portion of the text of Burdick v. United States, a 1915 U.S. Supreme Court decision that stated that a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that its acceptance carries a confession of guilt.