And the award for the best shade throwing goes to...
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Re: And the award for the best shade throwing goes to...
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:20 am
Oh, wait a bit; Jon Stewart signed up today.
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:07 am
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 11:48 am
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 12:27 pm
Bette wins!
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Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:08 pm
Re: And the award for the best shade throwing goes to...
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:11 pm
That is hilarious on so many levels.
Re: And the award for the best shade throwing goes to...
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:21 pm
Yeah, it's like, "how many ways can I shoot myself in the foot without realizing it."
Re: And the award for the best shade throwing goes to...
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:56 am
I'll defer to Sue, Guin et al, but this strikes me as probably ranking pretty high in the amount of shade thrown in a demand letter:
Re: And the award for the best shade throwing goes to...
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:38 am
Meh. Written for publicity, nothing more.
Re: And the award for the best shade throwing goes to...
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 2:56 am
Zackly. This is essentially clickbait, not quality legal work. It sounds like it was written by someone at the Lincoln Project, not their lawyers. (Caplin Drysdale is a serious firm, generally not prone to this kind of thing.)
Re: And the award for the best shade throwing goes to...
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:17 am
I see that Matthew T Sanderson is a real "political lawyer" with Caplin & Drysdale.
To me, the letter reads more like another anti-Trumper commercial than a serious legal communication.
If interested, you can click on the pic for more info...
To me, the letter reads more like another anti-Trumper commercial than a serious legal communication.
If interested, you can click on the pic for more info...
Re: And the award for the best shade throwing goes to...
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:17 am
Re: And the award for the best shade throwing goes to...
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 1:11 pm
I'm sure that's true. Effective none the less.
But I see that last paragraph - apologize by Wednesday or else - as a real threat. I don't think he can back down now. Sanderson wrote it to be published so he has to follow through. Expect a sort of "I didn't really mean it" non-apology from Giuliani by late Wednesday afternoon. I did like that line about Dominion Voting Systems. Might concentrate Giuliani's mind, if there is any left.
Re: And the award for the best shade throwing goes to...
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:03 pm
Eh, Giuliani may or may not apologize (my guess is he won't -- he didn't apologize to Dominion), but either way a defamation case would be difficult to prove, depending on what local jurisdiction's laws can be invoked and what might constitute per se defamation under those laws (e.g., do you have to show that a reasonable person would have believed the defamatory allegations made?). And even if you can prove that a statement Giuliani made was actually defamatory under the law -- as opposed to just false and scurrilous -- and that a reasonable person would have believed it, what damages would the Lincoln Project be entitled to? I can't imagine they could show there was any actual harm to their business or reputation as a result of Giuliani's attack, and probably the opposite is true. I don't think this is actually a case and I highly doubt whether it's going anywhere. I think the Lincoln Project and Sanderson are just having some fun piling on Giuliani, because he remains the most visible and dependable source of Trumpist batshittery.
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:29 pm
I'm no lawyer, but I would think that falsely accusing someone of staging one of the most heinous acts of criminality in the nation's history as a false flag operation could not be anything but defamation per se. As to who would believe it, the chorus of "reasonable" voices prepared to lay the blame for the terrorist insurrection on Antifa should answer that question.
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:41 pm
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:11 pm
Again, I would think that if there were specific victims of those defamations who could have identified the specific purveyors, then they could have claimed defamation per se. I can't recall in the first case whether the person or persons who actually invented and disseminated that rumour could be identified. In the second case, I don't recall any individuals being named as engaging in said satanic cannibalistic murders, I think it was generically "Democrats" or "elites".
Re: And the award for the best shade throwing goes to...
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:46 pm
Throwing shade isn’t lawyering.
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:57 pm
Sue, as I recall, public individuals and entities (which I think would include the Lincoln Project) would have to prove actual malice to succeed in any libel or slander action; something also not that easy (especially with that confidential source). My guess is that, even if damage could be proven, it's likely not worth the bother.Sue U wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:03 pmEh, Giuliani may or may not apologize (my guess is he won't -- he didn't apologize to Dominion), but either way a defamation case would be difficult to prove, depending on what local jurisdiction's laws can be invoked and what might constitute per se defamation under those laws (e.g., do you have to show that a reasonable person would have believed the defamatory allegations made?). And even if you can prove that a statement Giuliani made was actually defamatory under the law -- as opposed to just false and scurrilous -- and that a reasonable person would have believed it, what damages would the Lincoln Project be entitled to? I can't imagine they could show there was any actual harm to their business or reputation as a result of Giuliani's attack, and probably the opposite is true. I don't think this is actually a case and I highly doubt whether it's going anywhere. I think the Lincoln Project and Sanderson are just having some fun piling on Giuliani, because he remains the most visible and dependable source of Trumpist batshittery.
Guin--I agree.