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Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:26 pm
by Scooter
Subsequent to the discovery in Kamloops referred to in the article, an additional 751 unmarked graves have been discovered at a residential school in Saskatchewan. Probably just the tip of the iceberg, and previous estimates of deaths in residential schools are going to be blown out of the water.
Why No One Knows How Many Children Died Inside Canada’s Residential Schools

The former chair of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission is calling for an independent investigation into all burial sites located at the former grounds of residential schools across Canada.

The call from former Senator Murray Sinclair, who chaired the TRC from 2009 to 2015, comes after the remains of 215 children were recently found in an unmarked and undocumented burial site at the former grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School, located on Tk’emlúps te Secwépemc First Nation territory.

The finding, which confirmed what the Nation had long known about the site, has highlighted long standing calls for the federal government to provide more support for locating the victims of Canada’s residential school system, which operated from the late 1800s through to 1996.

In 2015, the TRC found Canada’s residential school system, which forcibly separated Indigenous children from their families and subjected them to horrific abuse, was the product of a “conscious policy of cultural genocide.”

The TRC’s calls to action included calling on the feds to work with Indigenous communities, churches (which administered the schools) and landowners to:
“Develop and implement strategies and procedures for the ongoing identification, documentation, maintenance, commemoration, and protection of residential school cemeteries or other sites at which residential school children were buried.”
Here’s why investigators have been unable to locate victims and determine the true number of Indigenous children who died inside Canada’s genocidal residential school system.

Destroyed, Missing and Incomplete Records

The TRC’s Final Report provided conservative estimates that between 4,000 and 6,000 children died in residential schools. Causes of death included physical abuse, malnutrition, disease and neglect. Others died by suicide, or by trying to escape the schools.

A lack of proper documentation means the true number of those who died is likely much higher, and unmarked burial sites similar to the one at Kamloops will almost certainly be found.

Tricia Logan, assistant director of research and engagement at the University of British Columbia’s Indian Residential School History and Dialogue Centre, noted many records at residential schools were not retained, or might not have been made public or accessible.

“While, of course, the students who attended and staff who worked there knew about children who were dying, just to what extent that information was made public or made available is varying,” Logan told PressProgress.

The TRC noted that between 1936 and 1944 alone, 200,000 Indian Affairs files were destroyed, as were many health records. Some students who died were not named by school principals, and others’ deaths were not reported at all.

Kisha Supernant, an archaeologist at the University of Alberta who has worked on locating remains at a residential school site in Saskatchewan, explained that gaps in records mean her work often relies on first-hand accounts from survivors and their communities.

“Survivors have had stories about things that happened, things they saw,” Supernant told PressProgress. “We know in the witnessing that happened during the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, some students were being asked to dig graves, so that can really help us narrow down areas to prioritize in these searches.”

“In the cases where survivors in the communities have told us where there’s burials, we’ve tended to find them, in using the technology that we have,” Supernant added. Searches at potential burial sites, she explained, sometimes use ground-penetrating technology, but also other types of equipment.

Supernant’s work is conducted on request by First Nations, and in accordance with appropriate cultural practices. “We talk about what cultural supports are needed, what ceremonies are needed, what survivors and their families might need,” she explained.

Logan, who has worked directly with residential school survivors, said missing information about victims causes prolonged trauma and suffering, particularly for those who directly witnessed the deaths of their classmates.

You can imagine how traumatic it is, how frustrating it is, how it kind of compounds the level of trauma to still not really know or to still be receiving new information about it or just kind of reopening stories over and over, and still finding barriers to accessing more information or at the very least feel that their stories haven’t been heard or haven’t been acknowledged,” Logan explained.

Sinclair issued a statement earlier this week noting the horrific circumstances in which students died at residential schools.

“Survivors talked about children who suddenly went missing. Some talked about children who went missing into mass burial sites,” Sinclair’s statement reads. “Some survivors talked about infants who were born to young girls at the residential schools, infants who had been fathered by priests, were taken away from them and deliberately killed — sometimes thrown into furnaces, we were told.”

“Since the revelation of what has happened at Kamloops has come to light, I have been inundated with calls from Survivors. Hundreds of calls, often just to cry,” the statement adds.

Government and Church Inaction

The TRC itself also experienced roadblocks from the federal government while trying to locate the whereabouts of residential school victims. In 2009, Stephen Harper’s Indian affairs minister, Chuck Strahl, denied $1.5 million in funds that a TRC working group, dedicated to locating missing victims, needed to conduct its work.

As well, the TRC was forced to fight the Harper government in court for the release of residential school documents, further hampering the commission’s efforts to locate the bodies of missing victims.

Even now, First Nations communities are having to fight the federal government and Catholic Church in court to access records relating to the Kamloops school, Mary Turpel-Lafond, director of UBC’s Indian Residential School History and Dialogue Centre, told the Canadian Press this week.

And last year, the federal government won a court case that blocked the creation of detailed statistical reports on abuse at residential schools, a decision that was overturned last April.

The Catholic Church has so far refused to take responsibility for its role in running residential schools. On Friday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau called on Pope Francis to issue a formal apology and publish records related to the residential school system.

In response, Toronto Archbishop Thomas Collins claimed the prime minister’s comments were “unhelpful” and “not based on real facts.” On Sunday, Pope Francis issued two vague statements about the finding at the Kamloops school, which was run by the Catholic Church, but did not apologize, drawing widespread condemnation.

The federal government has previously signed on to legal agreements that mean some documents related to residential schools cannot be released without the church’s consent.

Amid pressure from Indigenous groups and international human rights observers, the federal government said Wednesday it is making $27 million of previously announced funding available to search for the remains of Indigenous children at the former sites of residential schools.

Supernat said the prioritization of the funding is a welcome start, but wants to see the feds act more quickly, and commit to ongoing funding until the work is complete.

“I also think that national-level coordination is actually really important from a technical standpoint,” Supernat added. “If we start to see a piecemeal approach, there’s danger that there will be missteps, and there will be work that’s done that’s not following those best practices, and could be giving communities inaccurate information.”

Any coordinated approach, she said, should also include an Indigenous-led body to ensure that communities have the information they need and the ability to access the necessary expertise.

“There are likely members of Indigenous communities who could be trained in this, and may actually be even the best people to do it because they would give most emphasis to the cultural protocols that would vary from community to community,” Supernat added.

“Communities must lead, they must be resourced, and we must provide the best possible advice about standards and practices to them, and respect that some communities may not be ready to jump on this tomorrow, and may need time to really do that ground work with their own survivors.”

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:31 pm
by Burning Petard
Not just Canada. Similar things happened in boarding schools in the USofA.

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Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:39 pm
by Scooter
Indeed. The Department of the Interior announced its own investigation into boarding schools in response to the revelations from Canada. I suspect similar issues in Australia as well.

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:25 pm
by Crackpot
I thought this would be about line 5

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 11:37 pm
by Scooter
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Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:10 am
by ex-khobar Andy
Tuam, in Ireland. One report had the remains of 800 children buried there. Essentially it was a 'home' for unmarried mothers, from 1925 to 1961, run by Catholic nuns.

In many ways I think the Catholic Church is the largest and most successful criminal organization the world has ever seen. From the obscene riches of the Middle Ages, the support for fascism in the last century and the seeming never ending sexual abuse of victims of both sexes by priests (mainly) and nuns passim to the continuing, even now in this day and age, refusal to contemplate the idea of women as priests - what more evidence do we need?

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:56 am
by TPFKA@W
In many ways I think the Catholic Church is the largest and most successful criminal organization the world has ever seen. From the obscene riches of the Middle Ages, the support for fascism in the last century and the seeming never ending sexual abuse of victims of both sexes by priests (mainly) and nuns passim to the continuing, even now in this day and age, refusal to contemplate the idea of women as priests - what more evidence do we need?
AMEN brother.

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:17 am
by Gob
ex-khobar Andy wrote:
Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:10 am
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In many ways I think the Catholic Church is the largest and most successful criminal organization the world has ever seen.

Seconded.

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:53 pm
by Big RR
The church does appear to have labored mightily to get that reputation. I will not argue that the church does do a lot of good, but its behavior in addressing the sexual abuse scandal is indefensible'

Women priests? I don't like their position (and believe they are wrong) but whether they ordain women or not affects only their members; so long as people can freely leave the RC church, they can do what they want. IMHO that's why we have different religions and denominations.

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:51 pm
by Crackpot
I think it convenient to blame the Catholic Church for the overall failings of society at the time.

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:55 pm
by Scooter
It was clearly government policy at the time both to warehouse Indigenous children for the purpose of assimilating them, as well as to underfund these institutions, which would have led to excess deaths from malnutrition and disease, as compared to the general population. Less willing to accept that it was the government's intention to have schoolgirls raped by priests and have the resulting babies incinerated.

The other piece that is relevant to the present case is that other churches have been far more forthcoming in producing records that could have helped to identify the children who died. For whatever reason, the RC Church has been singularly uncooperative in that respect.

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:06 pm
by Crackpot
Nor was that the policy or the intention of the Catholic Church. Not condoning the acts committed but those acts are all to common by those placed to “care” for those society has deemed less than human. Scapegoating the Catholic Church is just a convenience to wash the blood from our hands.

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:23 pm
by Scooter
You did note that I titled this thread "Canada's ongoing disgrace", right? No one is claiming that the RC Church was the only bad actor here.

But I think it has been pretty well established in other settings that the RC Church was more than willing to turn a blind eye to the sexual and physical abuse of children in their care.

And whether or not the RC Church deserves condemnation for how its residential schools were run (it does), there can be no excuse for its refusal, extending down to today, to provide anything less than absolutely unfettered and complete access to whatever information may be in its possession that could help identify the thousands of as of yet unidentified children who died on its watch. Anything less raises the question of whether it has knowledge of widespread foul play in those deaths, which it is trying to conceal.

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:35 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
Crackpot wrote:
Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:51 pm
I think it convenient to blame the Catholic Church for the overall failings of society at the time.
Well yes; and there is no (AFAIK) connection between the Catholic church and (e.g.) Larry Nassar, Harvey Weinstein, Jerry Sandusky et al. But if they are failings of society, you would think that the Catholic Church might be looking for a more than 'Well, everyone does it' sort of excuse. And no doubt that Catholic Church does some good things - although I'm hard pressed to think of any - but is that any different from Al Capone and John Gotti handing out money in their neighborhoods?

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 3:51 pm
by Big RR
Scapegoating the Catholic Church is just a convenience to wash the blood from our hands.
Please--I didn't have any say with the policy of just transferring the offending clergy to another church so they could offend again and again. They were far more concerned about financial liability than with protecting children entrusted to them. That is indefensible IMHO, especially for an institution that claims to be moral. Don't try and place the responsibility for that on my hands.

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:26 pm
by Crackpot
I wasn't directly address ing you, Scooter, rather I was addressing the run of posters blaming the Catholic Church.

RR

Nassar, Weinstien and sandusky aren't what Im talking about. I'm talking about the widespread cultural dehumanization of groups by societies at large. the ongoing devaluation of native Americans is a real thing so much so that the rape of native american women is still a woefully under prosecuted crime. historically this type of thing goes on whenever people are accepted by society as a whole as being less. Like slavery, Nazi antisemitism, Korean comfort women... the list goes on. The abuse here is an inevitable result of this dehumanization rather than a direct cause of a singular organization adjacent to the point of contact.

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:38 pm
by Crackpot
Now the Catholic church does have a disturbing habit of covering up any internal wrongdoing that has the effect of giving cover to abusers and indeed in this case seems to be obstructing the cause of justice after the fact. But it is unfair to place the blame on this incident (as Scooter rightly notes) only on the catholic church as the majority of society was doing their best to marginalize devalue and otherwise obliterate theses people.

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:29 pm
by Big RR
Perhaps, but as a moral teacher and arbiter, the catholic church should be better than that; I hold them to a higher standard than society at large (otherwise, ehy do they even exist?). Many of us were working to expose such wrongdoing elsewhere; I only expected them to do the same with their house. And FWIW, their policies not only obstructed justice, they placed more kids at risk and got more molested.

Re: Canada's ongoing disgrace

Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:58 am
by Scooter
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7 school grounds searched

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