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Whose side are you on?

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:35 am
by Gob
FLAG AND FAITH CONSERVATIVES

This group is 'intensely conservative in all realms', according to Pew. They make up 23 per cent of Republicans and independents who lean Republican, making them one of the two largest GOP-leaning groups. They are majority white and Christian. They're more likely than other groups to argue that government policies should support religious values. They're also less likely to believe in compromise in politics. Most say that Trump is probably the winner of the 2020 election, believing the so-called 'big lie.' Pew found that 79 per cent of this group believes too much attention has been paid to the January 6 Capitol attack.


COMMITTED CONSERVATIVES

This group holds views that are similar to the 'flag and faith conservatives' but with, as Pew put it, a 'softer edge.' They account for 15 per cent of Republicans and independents who lean GOP. They are pro-business and pro-small government. They would be more likely to support an immigration compromise than flag and faith conservatives and members of the populist right. They also believe the U.S. should prioritize relationships with foreign allies. While members of this group voted for Trump, they're not as enthusiastic about him - preferring former Republican presidents like Ronald Reagan.

POPULIST RIGHT

This group tends to be less educated than other groups with members often living in rural communities. It also accounts for 23 per cent of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents. They are highly critical of U.S. immigration policy and also U.S. corporations. They are the only Republican group that argues the economic system in the U.S. unfairly supports powerful interests. They believe, which is something that Democratic President Joe Biden has proposed, that taxes should be raised on Americans making more than $400,000. Eighty-one per cent of this group told Pew pollsters they'd like to see Trump remain a prominent political figure.

AMBIVALENT RIGHT

This group is the youngest set of conservative-leaning voters. They hold traditional conservative opinions on issues such as favoring small government, the economic system, as well as race and gender. However, they're more likely to support the legalization of marijuana and support abortion rights and same-sex marriage. While a majority voted for Trump in the last election, 63 per cent say they don't want to see him continue to be a major political figure in the Republican Party. A quarter of this group identifies as Democrats or Democratic leaners, while it makes up 18 per cent of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents.
PROGRESSIVE LEFT

The 'progressive left' is the only majority white group of Democrats. They make up 12 per cent of Democrats and independents who lean Democratic. They have very liberal views on nearly every issue. They differ from what Pew calls 'establishment liberals' because they support sweeping changes to address racial injustice. They want a big expansion of the social safety net. They're the most politically engaged of the Democratic groups.

ESTABLISHMENT LIBERALS

'Establishment liberals,' on the other hand, are very liberal - but they're more resistant to sweeping change, instead supporting incrementalism and political compromise. A majority believe the party should be inclusive of those who believe GOP viewpoints on some issues. They account for 23 per cent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, Pew found.

DEMOCRATIC MAINSTAYS

This is the oldest, on average, group of Democrats, who are loyalists to the party, and are more moderate on some issues. They're less likely than other Democratic groups to be college-educated. They account for 28 per cent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents. They may personally identify as politically moderate. Most of their views are liberal, however. On immigration, they may view illegal immigration as a bigger problem than other Democratic-leaning groups. They are also more pro-military. Forty per cent of black Democrats are included in this group.

OUTSIDER LEFT

This is the youngest group of Democratic voters. They account for 16 per cent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents. They supported President Joe Biden in the last election, but are deeply frustrated with the political system, including the Democratic Party. They are liberal, especially on the issues of race, climate change and immigration. They often consider themselves to be political indepedents. They don't vote reliably, but will choose a Democrat over a Republican candidate.
STRESSED SIDELINERS

This group makes up 15 per cent of the American populace, but just 10 per cent of voters. Those included hold a mix of liberal and conservative views. They tend to be more liberal economically and conservative socially. They also tend to be economically stressed. What they have in common is a general disinterest in politics. Only 45 per cent of this group voted in the 2020 election, with about half choosing Biden.

Re: Whose side are you on?

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:33 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
Suffers from the usual problem of breaking up a continuum into bins. It's a bit of a cottage industry in the social sciences and numerous earnest papers have been published by those who draw lines - and therefore their definitions - somewhere new on this continuum and pretend to be saying something profound.

I like the story of two ice cream sellers on a beach. A beach is 100 meters (or yards if you prefer) and people are randomly scattered along it. One ice cream seller sets up his cart at the 50 meter mark. No-one has to walk more than 50 m to get a fix.

A second ice cream seller decides that this beach is his opportunity for fame and fortune. After a bit of argy-bargy they set up at the 25 and 75 meter lines. No-one has to walk more than 25 m for his Choc-o-lotty. Then the new guy starts edging closer to the middle. He gets to the 60 meter line and now has all the customers from 42.5 to 100. The first guy sees that some of his clientele has been poached and he moves to the 45 m line. Now he has all the customers from 0 to 52.5 m.

Eventually they end up an arm's length apart on the 50 m line. That's pretty much the story of two party politics these days. The two warring candidates end up in the middle and those of us on the margins have to vote for 'their' guy because he is so much preferable to the other guy. Evewhile holding their noses.

Re: Whose side are you on?

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:49 am
by rubato
I'm familiar with the example which is used to illustrate the "Nash Equilibrium", a condition where neither party can gain an advantage by changing strategies. But it fails woefully here because the "Trump Right" are off the scale crazy (like the hard GOP right who dominate the party.).

The Right in America have not moved to the center they have fled to the nutbar fringe idiots.

yrs,
rubato