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Well it appears that our intelligence suggests Putin is determined to do full scale invasion into Ukraine and replace Zelenskyy with a puppet.

Will Biden’s revelation of that intelligence be enough to change Putin’s mind?

I don’t think so.

Will this just be some massive fuckery of the Ukrainian people, or will we stumble into another large scale war?

We might as well burn and break everything since climate change is gonna get us all soon enough anyway.

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I don't see WWIII because ,no-one is going to come to Ukraine's aid. We can tut tut all we want around the sidelines and at the UN but no-one is going to stop Putin. Of course he could always be deposed by the Russian people at the next election . . . .

I think a more likely scenario is that one or several oligarch(s) will find they have no access to their $$$$ or ££££ or €€€€ and Vlad will be defenestrated mysteriously fall from his office in the Kremlin.

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With her "the glass is not only three-quarters empty but it's cracked and can't be fixed" attitude about the world in general, if the day ever comes that I learn that BSG has decided to swallow a shotgun in order to stop the world and get off, I won't be a bit surprised.
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Nice little historical primer on Ukraine and Russia from the Economist: https://www.economist.com/christmas-spe ... dependence
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I think she’s right; if Putin wants to take Ukraine is willing to pay the price, no one or anything can stop him. Tactical nukes could stop him, but who is going to use them. The dirty little secret is he could do the same thing in Europe proper except for France and Britain, who both have tactical nukes. No nation will use their nukes to stop the Russian army’s advance in Europe; they might use them to protect their own countries. I’m not too sure about France. Whose fault is this situation? It’s ours for letting our cultures in the West get so weak and decadent. And the contempt the left has for proud white southerners in the military, who, by the way, make up a disproportionate number of the combat troops, doesn’t help either.
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Tanks work great for set-piece battles in wide open territory. Not so good in urban clearing. A good infantry anti-tank rocket costs less than 1/100th a modern tank and can be manufactured and equipped to a adequately trained team (sometimes just one person) in much less time than it takes to get a tank crew that can get off accurate shots with the main gun while moving. You do the math.

and that doesn't even consider the availability and effectiveness of Improvised Explosive Devices.

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For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts

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MajGenl.Meade wrote:
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Is this a Monty Python sketch? Just verifying I found the right link.


Despite knowing all the iPhone users are hampered, people keep forgetting to post the link, too. :(
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BoSoxGal wrote:
Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:38 pm
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Sun Feb 20, 2022 6:05 am
Is this a Monty Python sketch? Just verifying I found the right link.


Despite knowing all the iPhone users are hampered, people keep forgetting to post the link, too. :(
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Donald Trump praised Vladimir Putin's plan to invade Ukraine as 'genius' and called the Russian leader 'very savvy' on Tuesday, hours after he put out a statement saying Russia would have never invaded Ukraine under his watch.

Speaking with conservative podcaster Buck Sexton, the former president said: 'I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, "This is genius,"' Trump recalled. 'Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine -- Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful.'

'I said, "How smart is that?'" the former U.S. president continued. 'And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s the strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right.'

'No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy,' Trump went on. 'I know him very well. Very, very, very well. Had I been in office, not even thinkable, this never would have happened.'

Trump added: 'But here’s a guy that says, you know, 'I’m gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,' he used the word 'independent' and 'we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.' You gotta say that’s pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response. They didn’t have one for that. No, it’s very sad. Very sad.'

Trump also called President Biden 'a man who has no concept of what he's doing.'

Earlier Tuesday Trump claimed that Vladimir Putin never would have invaded Ukraine if he were still president, and said that Russia has become 'very very rich' under President Biden.

'If properly handled, there was absolutely no reason that the situation currently happening in Ukraine should have happened at all,' Trump said in a statement Tuesday. 'I know Vladimir Putin very well, and he would have never done during the Trump Administration what he is doing now, no way!'

Trump hit out against Biden's 'weak sanctions.'

'The weak sanctions are insignificant relative to taking over a country and a massive piece of strategically located land. Now it has begun, oil prices are going higher and higher, and Putin is not only getting what he always wanted, but getting, because of the oil and gas surge, richer and richer.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ENIUS.html
I’m sure if we’d re-elected Trump all would be right with Vlad - from Vlad’s perspective, anyway! Trump is Vlad’s bitch and he’s likely going to run again in ‘24 because Vlad wants him to, whether he truly wants to or not. I’m also pretty sure that the timing on this Ukraine invasion, after 8 years of boa constrictor strategy, has a fair bit to do with hoping it destabilizes politics here even further and assures further steps toward autocracy in ‘22 and ‘24.

Vlad doesn’t just want to reassemble the Soviet Union; Vlad wants to win the Cold War. He’s got a very good head start by the fuckery he has engaged in here since 2015.

When it gets right down to it, from a cold analytical political science perspective, Vladimir Putin must be admired.

Andy I read the piece you linked - thank you for sharing it was very good. It actually choked me up; I feel a lot for the people of Ukraine who have been fucked by US, Europe and Russia.

I spent some time studying the country as it was at the top of the short list of countries I hoped to be assigned to by the Peace Corps, before I was diagnosed with autoimmune disease and had to give up that dream. It makes me sick that tens of thousands of Ukrainians are about to die for no good reason at all.
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In the past, I have tried to tell you all that Putin is very intelligent , very brave, and very ruthless; there is no leader in the West to match him. But that doesn’t mean that he can’t be beaten. It is like the old saying goes, “ There has never been a horse that couldn’t be rode or man that couldn’t be throwed”. But, Biden is way out of his league.

Biden better come through with the threats he has made, or the shit is going to hit the fan. I told you the Russians could take at least a portion of Alaska or Canada If they ever understand just how weak we really are. I really believe that.
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Here is some right-wing bullshit propaganda; some lies about the magnificent Soviet Union. That is what liberals called it in the 1960s. It was a man-made famine made by the glorious socialist government of Russia to punish the people of Ukraine. Families ate their own children and starving desperate mothers through the dying babies on the top of grain-filled train cars leaving Ukraine in the hope that somebody on the outside would take pity on them. You know what happened to those babies: crows picked her eyes and stripped of flesh from the bones. Let’s all take a moment now to praise the glorious Soviet Union for its vision of glorious socialist word. It still makes me emotional even after all these years.

Soviet famine of 1932–1933
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Here is a Ukrainian documentary called The Living which is about the genocidal famine:

https://youtu.be/1lDp9AMACys




Incidentally, one of the great martyrs of the free press, the Welsh journalist Gareth Jones, was murdered by the Soviets in retaliation for his fearless reporting of the true conditions of the famine while other journalists and writers who visited from the UK and America downplayed the crisis to ingratiate themselves with the Soviet government. Jones is a hero of the Ukrainian people to this day.
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Putin tells straight-up bald-faced lies as a justification for his actions, and guess who thinks that's "genius" and "very savvy"?

And also too, who thinks that makes Putin "very intelligent , very brave"?
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Come on, that person is incapable of thinking.

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Sue U wrote:
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Putin tells straight-up bald-faced lies as a justification for his actions, and guess who thinks that's "genius" and "very savvy"?

And also too, who thinks that makes Putin "very intelligent , very brave"?

Putin is very intelligent, very brave, and very ruthless, and to say otherwise is just lying to yourself. He might not have been much of a student in school, but he learned his lessons in the KGB Academy.

Curious, do you consider Putin, a war criminal?
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Not yet but he's on the road to becoming a war criminal. Just ask the people in Ukraine that he's killing right this minute.
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