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Female prime ministers..

So, a loopy crypto-fascist eh?

Yep!

UK Tories: Proving to the world that women in leadership can be every bit as awful as men.

The only good thing about Thatcher was that she made it OK for a man to hate a woman politician without the (often) accompanying accusation of misogyny. May was neither good nor bad, just another run of the mill Tory in a long line of unimpressive folk. I recall Ian Duncan Smith, William Hague, Michael Howard and David Cameron in that list - there must be others whom I have forgotten. And Truss has all the makings of an unmitigated disaster. I do not think that she will still be in charge at the next general election because many Tory eyes will have opened and she will be seen as unelectable.

Meanwhile BloJo in his final speech has compared himself to Cincinnatus, the Roman general who retired to his farm and then unretired to become dictator, thus exemplifying the concept of noble public service. Cincy is of course named after him.

It sucks to not be able to get excited about a female prime minister.

Here's where I guess somebody should mention that despite the US political system being (yes, Gob ) all fucked up, the UK system does not seem to make any more sense. Truss defeated Sunak in the Conservative Party leadership contest with 81,326 votes to 60,399.
...which means that less than 0.3 percent of Britain’s 67 million residents actually selected the new prime minister.

Econoline wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:32 pm

Here's where I guess somebody should mention that despite the US political system being (yes, Gob ) all fucked up, the UK system does not seem to make any more sense. Truss defeated Sunak in the Conservative Party leadership contest with 81,326 votes to 60,399.
...which means that less than 0.3 percent of Britain’s 67 million residents actually selected the new prime minister.

That's the way it works. The leader of the party voted in as the majority in Parliament is automatically PM. The Tory party is still the majority. Their leader has resigned as PM and as their leader. The majority party selects a new leader who is the new PM by default. Nothing wrong with that.

Being Prime Minister is not like being President. There is no popular vote for PM

MajGenl.Meade wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:18 am

Being Prime Minister is not like being President.

Well...duh.

MajGenl.Meade wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:18 am

There is no popular vote for PM

There is no popular vote for POTUS.
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Yeah, we're all fucked.

I wonder if Truss is wondering tonight whether it was UK nuclear capabilities that Trump had squirreled away at Spy-a-Lago?

MajGenl.Meade wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:18 am

Being Prime Minister is not like being President. There is no popular vote for PM

Yes. But recent Prime Ministers have behaved a lot like Presidents. Tony Blair even talked about the Blair Administration. David Cameron thought he was a President; and so did Boris Johnson. Teresa May I think hewed more to the prima inter pares view of the role.

From the Guardian:

Rees-Mogg has claimed that “climate alarmism” is responsible for high energy prices and that it is unrealistic for scientists to project future changes to the climate because meteorologists struggle to correctly predict the weather.

Jacob Rees Mogg is a fucking idiot and his boss even more of a moron if that is possible. He does not know the difference between weather and climate. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING, JACOB.

Econoline wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:32 pm

...which means that less than 0.3 percent of Britain’s 67 million residents actually selected the new prime minister.

We don't vote for prime ministers, we vote for parties. Parties choose their leaders. Having a supreme, autocratic, (fascistic?) system where one person becomes the figurehead, would be awful.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy

Remind you of anywhere?

Parties choose their leaders. Having a supreme, autocratic, (fascistic?) system where one person becomes the figurehead, would be awful.

Didn't Hitler (yeah, I know, we shouldn't raise the nazis, but then they are a good example of fascism, which you raised in your next point) get his power from a parliamentary system? Rule of the party is not any guarantee of avoiding totalitarianism. FWIW, the communists have done that for years.

Gob wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:07 am

Econoline wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:32 pm

...which means that less than 0.3 percent of Britain’s 67 million residents actually selected the new prime minister.

We don't vote for prime ministers, we vote for parties. Parties choose their leaders. Having a supreme, autocratic, (fascistic?) system where one person becomes the figurehead, would be awful.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy

Remind you of anywhere?

Change far-right too far left and change the nation and race to the people of the world, then you have the American Democratic Party. To liberals, the purpose of the US government is to see to the interest of the world's people, even if that means American citizens eating out of garbage cans and living under bridges.

liberty wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 08, 2022 4:23 am

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Well congrats to Liz Truss she’s off to a fine start!

‘The jewel has lost its shine’: how the world reacted to the UK’s pound crisis

As for me, I can finally afford the lovely Aran cape I’ve been wanting to buy from House of Bruar. Joy!

This guy makes Truss sound very, very useless.

Half-witted, reckless Librium Liz may be even worse than May and Johnson

The Queen had to die thinking, 'After 70 years, that twat has to go down in history as my last prime minister!"

BoSoxGal wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:56 am

This guy makes Truss sound very, very useless.

Half-witted, reckless Librium Liz may be even worse than May and Johnson

John Crace is always worth reading but I have come across him only in the last few months. His point is roughly the same one we experienced this side of the pond, when for four long years we yearned for the statesman GW Bush.

Elsewhere I saw Ms Truss's prime ministership described as a Trussterfuck. Worth keeping, that one.