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South Africa votes, ANC to lose majority

Posted: Thu May 30, 2024 1:53 pm
by Sue U
But I can't think that a return of Jacob Zuma in a ruling coalition would be a good thing.
ANC set to lose majority after watershed vote

Umberto BACCHI with Zama LUTHULI in Durban May 30, 2024

South Africa's ruling ANC was on course to lose its 30-year-old unchallenged majority on Thursday after voters queued long into the night to cast their ballots, preliminary results and projections showed.

With a fifth of votes tallied, the ANC was leading but with a score of 44 percent -- well down on the 57 percent it won in 2019 -- followed by the liberal Democratic Alliance (DA) at 25 percent, according to authorities.

The leftist Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) was in third place with nine percent of the vote, trailed by former president Jacob Zuma's uMkhonto weSizwe (MK) on eight.

The final results are not expected to be known before the weekend.

"The broad church of the ANC has taken a substantial knock. This is a shock to the system for the ANC and ultimately will also be a shock to the system for the average South African, who has only known ANC rule since 1994," said political analyst Daniel Silke.

"It redraws the political boundaries of South Africa and creates a degree of uncertainty".

If President Cyril Ramaphosa's party is confirmed as dropping below 50 percent, it would force him to seek coalition partners to be re-elected to form a new government.

That would be a historic evolution in the country's democratic journey, which was underlined by newspaper headlines on Thursday.

"SA on the cusp of shift in politics," read the front page of daily BusinessDay.

"The people have spoken," headlined The Citizen.

- New chapter -

The ANC has dominated South Africa's democracy with an unbroken run of five presidents from the party.

The party remains respected for its leading role in overthrowing white minority rule, and its progressive social welfare and black economic empowerment policies are credited by supporters with helping millions of black families out of poverty.

But over three decades of almost unchallenged rule, its leadership has been implicated in a series of large-scale corruption scandals, while the continent's most industrialised economy has languished and crime and unemployment figures have hit record highs.

As life slowly returned to normal in central Johannesburg after voting day on Thursday, Shaun Manyoni, a 21-year-old student, having a morning beer outside his university, said his vote would help deliver change.

"The people in power are hopefully going to come down and we will have a new political party," he said.

Ramaphosa's opponents from both the left and the right came to the polls on Wednesday hoping either to replace the ANC with an opposition alliance or force the party to negotiate a coalition agreement.

"Zuma ran this country perfectly ... so let's put him back and let South Africa run again," Don Naidoo, a middle-aged small business owner from the province's largest city of Durban, told AFP.

- What bedfellows? -

Voting was marked by hours-long queues in many districts, which in some cases forced polls to remain open well beyond closing time.

The Independent Electoral Commission (IEC) said a last-minute rush in urban voting and high turnout were to blame for the late finish and predicted the final turnout would be "well beyond" the 66 percent recorded in 2019.

If the ANC gets close to 50 percent it could shore up a majority by allying itself with some of the four dozen smaller and regional parties contesting the election.

But this appeared increasingly unlikely.

A projection by the respected the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR), showed it was in line to win less than 42 percent, a share that could force it to partner with a bigger rival.

Yet, experts were split on who the ANC would prefer as bedfellows and on whether the poor performance threatened Ramaphosa's leadership.

"His power is gone within the ANC," said analyst Sandile Swana, predicting that the party would patch up ties with one or both of the radical left groups led by former ANC figures: firebrand Julius Malema's EFF or Zuma's MK.

In a major upset, the latter was leading with 43 percent of preferences in Zuma's home province of KwaZulu-Natal, a key electoral battleground.

Siphamandla Zondi, a politics professor from the University of Johannesburg said MK was a natural partner for the ANC.

"They have similar policies and similar tendencies," he said.

But analyst and author Susan Booysen said the rift between Ramaphosa and Zuma, who has long been bitter about the way he was forced out of office in 2018, was "too far reaching" to mend.

The ANC might prefer the centre-right DA, which pledged to "rescue South Africa" through better governance, free market reforms and privatisations, to the leftist EFF, which is perceived as "too erratic" and "unpredictable" in its demands, she added.

Swana said he expects pressure from civil society to push for a convention to publicly discuss the makeup of a coalition.

"We don't want politicians to talk among themselves," he said.

Re: South Africa votes, ANC to lose majority

Posted: Thu May 30, 2024 3:43 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Too right. Although Trump Zuma is ineligible to serve in Parliament (owing to a contempt of court conviction) there's nothing to stop him being a Cabinet member, should an ANC/MK coalition come about. Hard to imagine Ramaphosa feeling good about having old Shower-head looking over his shoulder. Not that the toy soldiers of the EFF would be more congenial.

EFF and MK are hovering at about 8.3% of the counted votes nationwide. ANC is just above 43% (as predicted) while the DA is showing lower than the last election but still slightly below 25%. If the ANC had any sense, they'd try to ally with the DA; Steenhuisen knows where the DA bread might be buttered rather than battered.

In a faint echo of one of lib's "facts" - the best-run province in SA is the Western Cape. And that's because the ANC doesn't run it.

Re: South Africa votes, ANC to lose majority

Posted: Thu May 30, 2024 5:09 pm
by Sue U
I don't know anything about the Democratic Alliance and it's hard to get a bead on them skimming the press. From what I can gather, they seem to be a lot like the Christian Democrat parties of Europe. Is that a fair assessment?

Re: South Africa votes, ANC to lose majority

Posted: Thu May 30, 2024 5:31 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
The Desperate Alliance (as the SA Sunday Times satirist 'Hogarth' calls them) is a bit CD I suppose in that they are a slightly rightist version of more progressive and liberal ancestry. It's seen as the "white" party that tries to hug black folks. That's as opposed to the Freedom Front Plus (that word Front always seems to be a hint to far right or far left) which hugs less.

There is an African Christian Democrat party which I suppose shares some social & moral values with the German variety in a way. But they opposed mandated vaccination during Covid and want out of the World Health Org. More avowedly "christian" in outlook. Opposed to abortion. The DA is definitely more liberal than that. ACDP is also known for being stronger in the Western Cape

The DA gets its votes mostly from white and colored people who look at the mess in the other provinces (ANC variety) and do not want incompetent and corrupt leaders, thank you very much.

Re: South Africa votes, ANC to lose majority

Posted: Thu May 30, 2024 8:16 pm
by Sue U
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Thu May 30, 2024 5:31 pm
It's seen as the "white" party that tries to hug black folks.
LOL, I was looking for a way to express that feeling I was getting.
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Thu May 30, 2024 5:31 pm
The DA gets its votes mostly from white and colored people who look at the mess in the other provinces (ANC variety) and do not want incompetent and corrupt leaders, thank you very much.
I feel like the ANC has squandered the opportunity to make South Africa into the modern powerhouse of a nation that it might yet be. I'm sure there are many issues in SA society (of which I am ignorant) that seem to have lead the ANC to keep shooting itself in both feet.

Re: South Africa votes, ANC to lose majority

Posted: Thu May 30, 2024 9:54 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Sue U wrote:
Thu May 30, 2024 8:16 pm
I'm sure there are many issues in SA society (of which I am ignorant) that seem to have lead the ANC to keep shooting itself in both feet.
Well there's this:

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But what can one expect from a people who en masse have been separated from the levers of power and control? Where is the culture of first-world entrepreneurship, of maintenance and repair, of organization, lines of authority, of knowledge, of relationship to wider society (let alone world), of keeping Britain tidy, and on and on.

It was never that non-white South Africans didn't have many many smart and capable leaders - Madiba being the shining example but Mac Maharaj, Thabo Mbeki, Chris Hani, Albert Luthuli and many more. But where were the engineers, the builders, the scientists, the surgeons, the nurses, the technical know-how and the habits of a successful techno-society? Crushed. Not there. The tribal rules were good for tribes but useless for nation-building.

When you give a tractor to a peasant farmer, then in just two weeks you'll have a peasant farmer and a broken tractor - t'aint his/her fault either. The same thing happens with nations. Zim being the classic example but far from the only one.

The reason the Western Cape is far better organized (and much less corrupt) than any other province is because white people (mostly) are organizing it. And that's because they were brought up to organize things, educated to do it and inculcated with the ethic that fits that kind of society. Not because they are smarter or better. "We" Europeanish people had centuries to grow into all those things - ANC-led S.Africa had approximately 10 minutes. And it shows.

Re: South Africa votes, ANC to lose majority

Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 3:21 am
by liberty
The fact that the South Africans are willing to see that they have a problem with corruption and are willing to try to do something about it is grounds for hope. It’s those that won’t acknowledge their problems that are doomed to constantly repeat them. Corruption is a fine way to destroy a country. The corrupt can steal more than the country can produce. If they keep trying in time, they will reduce their corruption to a reasonable level and then they’ll have more money to deal with their other problems. There’s no reason that South Africa can’t be one of the wealthiest countries in the world, it has the natural resources.

Re: South Africa votes, ANC to lose majority

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:18 pm
by ex-khobar Andy
A Ramaphosa / Zuma alliance is a match made in hell. They probably have more in common than they would ever care to admit but they would be partners in corruption. With Mandela and even Mbeki and the world's goodwill I thought they had a chance. Mbeki (a fellow University of Sussex alum) did some good things before his nonsensical approach to HIV; I hadn't realized until I looked it up just now that he is 82, a few months older than Biden.

Re: South Africa votes, ANC to lose majority

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:09 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
FTFM
The reason the Western Cape is far better organized (and much less corrupt) than any other province is because white people (mostly) are organizing it. And that's because they were brought up to organize things, educated to do it and inculcated with the ethic that fits that kind of society. Not because they are smarter or better.
I would like to add :

They were not only brought up to organize etc. they were ENCOURAGED and ALLOWED to be so and not BEATEN and KILLED for trying to do so.