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Waiting on pins and needles to see if our next president might be a felon.

Guilty x34!!!!!

Thank you for your service and courage, jurors.


Is our country going to self destruct now?

Couldn't happen to a more deserving criminal.

Tee hee!

Six weeks until sentencing. How much more can the convicted felon antagonize the sentencing judge between now and then? J. Merchan has kept his cool but I can't help but think he's seriously considering whether to impose some jail time in addition to whatever monetary penalties are available.

It would definitely be satisfying to see this guy marched off in shackles to sit at Rikers for a few months.

Sue U wrote: ↑

Thu May 30, 2024 9:12 pm

Couldn't happen to a more deserving criminal.

I agree with this sentiment but also glad that minutes before I heard the Trump verdict I had just listened to the verdicts of guilty against that sick child and wife killer religious nutter Chad Daybell.

Two cult leaders go down in one day - a good day for the American jury system!

Wasn’t expecting quite a quick verdict

Some analyst was saying that the specific pieces of testimony they wanted read back, that followed the evidence path laid out by the prosecution in their closing, showed that the jury was on its way to a guilty verdict.

However, just wait for all the appeals...
this will drag on for decades, even if inmate P01135809 (or does he get a new number for this one?) were to die tomorrow.

(edited to add ... great minds think alike, huh, E-line)

-"BB"-

Bicycle Bill wrote: ↑

Thu May 30, 2024 10:34 pm

X 34 !!!

However, just wait for all the appeals...
this will drag on for decades, even if inmate #P01135809 (or does he get a new number for this one?) were to die tomorrow.

(edited to add ... great minds think alike, huh, E-line)

-"BB"-

Criminal appeals become moot upon the death of the convict.

Not sure if NY, like Massachusetts, considers a convict who dies pending appeal to be legally innocent a la Aaron Hernandez - BigRR? Sue?

Bicycle Bill wrote: ↑

Thu May 30, 2024 10:34 pm

X 34 !!!

However, just wait for all the appeals...
this will drag on for decades, even if inmate P01135809 (or does he get a new number for this one?) were to die tomorrow.

(edited to add ... great minds think alike, huh, E-line)

-"BB"-

Well x8.5

BoSoxGal wrote: ↑

Thu May 30, 2024 10:42 pm

Bicycle Bill wrote: ↑

Thu May 30, 2024 10:34 pm

X 34 !!!

However, just wait for all the appeals...
this will drag on for decades, even if inmate #P01135809 (or does he get a new number for this one?) were to die tomorrow.

(edited to add ... great minds think alike, huh, E-line)

-"BB"-

Criminal appeals become moot upon the death of the convict.

Not sure if NY, like Massachusetts, considers a convict who dies pending appeal to be legally innocent a la Aaron Hernandez - BigRR? Sue?

And I just learned that the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court abolished the doctrine of abatement when Hernandez’s went up on appeal. Just correcting my record.

Just curious ... does this now mean that Donald J. 'Dishonest John' Trump is in fact a convicted felon?

Or is that status premature until he has explored and exhausted all avenues of appeal?

Personally, I would feel that as of today he should be considered a convicted felon for the simple reason that someone who is NOT a convicted felon would have no need to seek an appeal of anything.

-"BB"-

Other brilliant minds will give the correct response but my answer is that yes, Trump is now a convicted felon.

P.S. They should have escorted him out of court in handcuffs.

Bicycle Bill wrote: ↑

Fri May 31, 2024 12:04 am

Just curious ... does this now mean that Donald J. 'Dishonest John' Trump is in fact a convicted felon?

Or is that status premature until he has explored and exhausted all avenues of appeal?

Personally, I would feel that as of today he should be considered a convicted felon for the simple reason that someone who is NOT a convicted felon would have no need to seek an appeal of anything.

-"BB"-

Yes, he became a convicted felon at the reading of the verdict.

There is a common law doctrine (abatement ab initio) in criminal law which negates a conviction if the defendant died before they could exhaust all appeals. It is followed by most federal courts and some states as well. One famous example was the federal courts setting aside the convictions against Enron fraudster Ken Lay when he died pending appeal - which screwed his victims out of court ordered compensation, a very shitty deal.

I feel like they should utilize some buildings on Ellis Island as a place to incarcerate Don the Con. Given his attitudes and policies toward immigrants, it would have a real poetic justice to it.

I wish Lord Jim was still with us. I always enjoyed reading his thoughts and opinions. Especially on politics.

but I bet if I posted the following photo here, Jim would scratch out his own eyeballs and then come looking for me to scratch mine out...

(and of course I'd point out to him that he probably should have scratched my eyes out first)