Plan B Forum

No way is a speedboat with three outboards going to make it to the US. CONUS is maybe 2000 miles from Venezuela. Per Mr Google a 150 HP Mercury will do about 6.4 mpg - three of them, 2000 miles will need about 1000 gallons of gas - no way. And if it was really smuggling drugs why would they have a crew of 11 people taking up valuable cargo space. And if they were going to Puerto Rico (500 miles) the math still don't math. 250 gallons is a bit more than a cubic yard. NFW.

This idea of blowing up a boat and killing 11 people based on an accusation is against any concept of law - whoever pulled the trigger will never be able to travel overseas or where the ICC remit runs, and 'I was just following orders' won't cut it.

I think you meant to title this "Murder on the high seas," because that's exactly what's depicted.

The government of Venezuela says the video is a fake and the incident never happened. I don't know which side is less credible, but it's a race to the bottom.

If it did happen, it's clearly murder. Even if it were true that the boat and its crew were smuggling drugs, that's not a capital offense. There is absolutely nothing in law or basic human morality that could possibly justify such an act. Whoever ordered it and whoever pulled the trigger should be in prison.

Murder? Sure. But after Obama sanctioned/ordered the murder of several people without trial, we see the US government does it in cases of suspected terrorism, and Trump is capitalizing on it. When you make your moral positions malleable, this is what you end up with. All you need to say is they are "terrorists", and Trump excels at that.

Big RR wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 05, 2025 1:07 pm

Murder? Sure. But after Obama sanctioned/ordered the murder of several people without trial, we see the US government does it in cases of suspected terrorism, and Trump is capitalizing on it. When you make your moral positions malleable, this is what you end up with. All you need to say is they are "terrorists", and Trump excels at that.

I always thought the militarized "War on Terror" was a stupid and wholly misguided policy; the Al Qaeda leadership responsible for 9/11 should have been rounded up like any other gang of criminals in a police action. Instead, we got Forever Wars and failed nation-building in Iraq and Afghanistan due to the hubris of the Bush Administration and the idiotic foreign adventurism fantasies of the PNAC crew. But you're right, just label anyone a "terrorist" and presto, everything from kidnapping to black sites to torture to murder is justified.

My favourite comment on the incident went something like - Donald Jr. approved of the strike, so we know the boat wasn't carrying cocaine.

it's quite possible that the Venezuelans are telling the truth and the video is AI-generated. That would fit Trump’s modus operandi. You guys make the classic mistake of underestimating your enemy. That’s exactly what Trump is capable of: manipulating you so thoroughly. He’s not as dumb as you think. As long as you keep thinking that way, he’ll keep manipulating you. He may simply be redirecting you toward another target, letting you burn through your energy and ammunition until you're worn out.

After all, he did manipulate you guys into defending the high murder rate in inner cities. How morally bankrupt is that position?

liberty wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 06, 2025 1:54 am

it's quite possible that the Venezuelans are telling the truth and the video is AI-generated. That would fit Trump’s modus operandi. You guys make the classic mistake of underestimating your enemy.

You believe Trump is the enemy?

liberty wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 06, 2025 1:54 am

That’s exactly what Trump is capable of: manipulating you so thoroughly. He’s not as dumb as you think. As long as you keep thinking that way, he’ll keep manipulating you. He may simply be redirecting you toward another target, letting you burn through your energy and ammunition until you're worn out.

Who are you talking to?

liberty wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 06, 2025 1:54 am

After all, he did manipulate you guys into defending the high murder rate in inner cities. How morally bankrupt is that position?

Your right-wing news sources have convinced you that not wanting Trump to send in the National Guard to occupy a city without being asked for help is equal to defending a high murder rate.

How lemming-like is that?

Now we learn that Navy Seals are murdering innocent North Korean fishermen to cover up for espionage missions gone wrong - such a proud time to be an American, isn't it?

Joe Guy wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 06, 2025 2:18 am

liberty wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 06, 2025 1:54 am

it's quite possible that the Venezuelans are telling the truth and the video is AI-generated. That would fit Trump’s modus operandi. You guys make the classic mistake of underestimating your enemy.

You believe Trump is the enemy?

liberty wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 06, 2025 1:54 am

That’s exactly what Trump is capable of: manipulating you so thoroughly. He’s not as dumb as you think. As long as you keep thinking that way, he’ll keep manipulating you. He may simply be redirecting you toward another target, letting you burn through your energy and ammunition until you're worn out.

Who are you talking to?

liberty wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 06, 2025 1:54 am

After all, he did manipulate you guys into defending the high murder rate in inner cities. How morally bankrupt is that position?

Your right-wing news sources have convinced you that not wanting Trump to send in the National Guard to occupy a city without being asked for help is equal to defending a high murder rate.

How lemming-like is that?

Now Joe, you know in politics, optics are everything—and what the public sees is you guys in the backroom praying, wishing, and hoping for the murder rate to go up, just so Trump can be proved wrong. If you actually gave a damn about the people, you’d be doing whatever it takes to stop the killings—including use of the Guard.

liberty wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 07, 2025 2:59 am

you guys in the backroom praying, wishing, and hoping for the murder rate to go up, just so Trump can be proved wrong.

Aside from being asinine, that's just plain insulting crap. Nobody here (except perhaps you) has any pleasure in talking of higher murder rates. We also do not want Federal fascist "peace at any price". You have not one shred of American understanding of Constitution and Republic, you wally.

To where did your 100% support for division of powers and the sanctity of the states disappear and when?

General, that is a very interesting question. It could reveal some important data about this personality cult that is Trumpism

snailgate.

And also revel how much his supporters are willing to sacrifice all the freedoms and protections this government has afforded us to keep "them' out and otherwise achieve thier racial purity aims.