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Remember the names of those who caved
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2025 3:08 am
by Scooter
Primary the fuck out of those who are running again.
Hassan
King
Cortez-Masto
Shaheen
Kaine
Fetterman
Durbin
Rosen
Johnson is already saying that he won't commit to a House vote on extending the ACA subsidies. So the "guarantee of a vote" was a crock of shit. Their treachery got them nothing.
Re: Remember the names of those who caved
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2025 3:06 pm
by Big RR
We will see what happens in the House, but I would imagine that it will be difficult for it not to accept those terms; whichever side is seen as responsible for big slashes in the air travels system before may likely suffer in the midterms, and as th eentire house is up for election then, I doubt they will make more than a token resistance. Having a vote is better than nothing.
FWIW, I am not happy with the deal, but I am happy that the sides have reached a compromise (even a weak one) and that the pressure will be enough to get Trump to sign. Democracy sometimes sucks, but i'd rather see the sides talking and bagaining than to just trade insults.
Re: Remember the names of those who caved
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2025 7:29 pm
by Scooter
No bargaining will happen. The Democrats bought a pig in a poke, at at time when the election results and polling on the shutdown told them that they were running the table.
Someone pointed out an interesting fact that points to this being a plan orchestrated by the Democratic leadership. None of the Dem senators voting for the CR are up for election this year; they are either retiring next year (Shaheen, Durbin, King) or not up for election until 2028 (Cortez-Masto, Hassan, Fetterman) or 2030 (Rosen, Kaine). Because Chuck Schumer knew that anyone who was up for election next year would have been primaried to oblivion if they voted for this disgrace.
Re: Remember the names of those who caved
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2025 7:33 pm
by BoSoxGal
If Senators get sick they can go to Bethesda naval hospital and get world class healthcare covered by their federal employee health plan which they can easily pay from their six figure salaries and personal fortunes.
What do they care about loser constituents in rural America where hospitals are closing and care is being decimated even if one could afford their rapidly rising ACA premiums. Fuck us, we don’t matter.
Re: Remember the names of those who caved
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2025 7:42 pm
by Big RR
Well Scooter, time will tell. But I can see this; up to this time, no bargaining has happened. And the shutdown is getting increasingly painful to a lot of people, many on the lower economic rungs, but moving across the board, so something had to be done. I don't support the plan, but I understand why some thought it necessary. The damage was far beyond some tourists npot being able to go to the Smithsonian, many were losing their food lifelines.
BSG--true, but if the shutdown continued, it isn't like people were going to get the subsidies, just more pain.
And, FWIW, a six figure salary can hardly pay for healthcare when even a few days in the hospital (even without surgery) can amount to six figures on its own. Perhaps those commanding dynastic fortunes could pay for their own health care, but the vast majority who live on their salaries cannot.
Re: Remember the names of those who caved
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2025 9:38 pm
by Burning Petard
And you have reminded me of an old joke: What do they call an elected official in Chicago who lives on their government pay check?
Unfit for office.
snailgate.
Re: Remember the names of those who caved
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:23 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Democrat Adelita Grijalva will be sworn in as a member of Congress on Wednesday when the House returns, seven weeks after she won a special election in Arizona.
And she was just on NPR saying she will vote "no" on the Funding Resolution - perhaps shortly before she signs the Epstein resolution
Re: Remember the names of those who caved
Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2025 10:29 pm
by Burning Petard
I am not sure of the details (I plead old geezer attention failure) but I think I heard the Arizona congress critter situation mentioned in a news item that said in passing that a similar congressional district in Texas is without representation because the Texas Governor has been sitting on it, ignoring the rules and traditions of Texas. I could be wrong about the traditions of Texas. Molly Ivins had alot of very informative things say about that topic. I miss her. That is one of the side effects of being 86 years old.
snailgate.
Re: Remember the names of those who caved
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 12:46 am
by Scooter
Re: Remember the names of those who caved
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 3:01 am
by Scooter
Who could have possibly predicted something like this?
(everyone with a brain)
Senate Republicans tie healthcare subsidies to abortion limits
Nov. 11 (UPI) -- Senate Republicans have signaled that they are willing to negotiate with Democrats on healthcare subsidies, but are demanding tighter abortion rules on insurance plans.
Senate Republican Leader John Thune described his party's negotiating position to reporters before the chamber passed a bill on Monday to reopen the government, according to NBC News. Thune's remarks set the stage for the next partisan fight over expiring health care subsidies that were at the center of the longest government shutdown on record.
Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., sharply criticized the Republican proposal in a floor speech Saturday, calling it "a backdoor national abortion ban."
"Democrats must dismiss this radical Trojan horse against women's essential healthcare out of hand," he said.
Senate Democrats earlier demanded that an extension of pandemic-era enhanced subsidies be included in any government-funding bill. That demand was left out of a funding bill that passed the Senate on Monday and is expected to pass the House.
With no extension of the subsidies in place, individuals who purchase health insurance through Affordable Care Act marketplaces will see steep premium rises -- some by thousands of dollars a month -- beginning next year.
Republicans have expressed a willingness to negotiate on the enhanced subsidies, but Thune said that in exchange for an extension of the subsidies, Republicans will ask for more stringent enforcement of longstanding restrictions on federal funding being used for abortion, known as the Hyde Amendment.
"A one-year extension along the lines of what [Democrats] are suggesting, and without Hyde protections -- doesn't even get close," Thune said, according to NBC News.
Wyden said in his floor speech that the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, already bars the use of taxpayer money for abortions.
However, Republicans want to block states from allowing people to access abortions through the Affordable Care Act marketplaces using state or other funding, NBC News reported.
Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.D., has indicated he's open to extending the subsidies, but said Republicans won't support it without the abortion restrictions.
Re: Remember the names of those who caved
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 6:36 am
by Scooter
And $500,000 to each (Republican) senator who had their phone records seized as part of the January 6th investigation.
"Clean CR" my ass.
Re: Remember the names of those who caved
Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2025 2:21 pm
by Big RR
I'm not saying the direction it is moving is good, nor am I predicting a workable compromise will be arrived at, but unless the parties are talking there will be no workable compromise, not vote, and no extension of the subsidies. That's the way democracy works, and talking, even halfheartedly, is better than nothing. I have negotiated good deals (and mediated a few) where both sides were entrenched in their positions and it was believed no deal could be struck--but talking is the first step.
