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Yet another reason the Canadian Tory gov't is a disaster

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:29 pm
by Scooter
Complete boneheads
Canada blocks asbestos from hazardous chemicals list at UN summit

Canada has opposed listing chrysotile asbestos as a hazardous chemical, the United Nations confirmed Wednesday, even as the Conservative government maintained its silence back home.

At a summit in Switzerland, Canada's delegation ended days of silence and speculation by opposing the inclusion of asbestos on a UN treaty called the Rotterdam Convention.

"Yes, I can confirm they intervened in the chemicals contact group meeting this afternoon and opposed listing," Michael Stanley-Jones of the UN Environment Program said in an email.

Vietnam, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan also opposed the listing.

Listing asbestos on Annex III of the convention would force exporters such as Canada to warn recipient countries of any health hazards. Those countries could also then refuse asbestos imports if they didn't think they could handle the product safely.

Canada has twice before played a lead role in blocking the inclusion of asbestos under the Rotterdam Convention, which operates by consensus.
So we're supposed to believe that asbestos, linked to various cancers and other nasty diseases, and which here at home is treated more gingerly than nuclear waste, is just hunky dory for export to brown skinned people in the Third World?

Complete fuckheads these pathetic excuses for pieces of shit we have for a government.

Re: Yet another reason the Canadian Tory gov't is a disaster

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:34 pm
by Gob
We've had our issues over here with asbestos...
For much of the twentieth century, James Hardie was one of a number of companies involved in the manufacture, distribution and mining of asbestos and its related products such as building products, insulation, pipes and brake linings. In Australia, there were asbestos plants in New South Wales, South Australia, Victoria, Queensland and Western Australia. Many of these asbestos products - including the building material known as "Fibro" - caused people to develop asbestosis and mesothelioma.

While other companies were involved in similar asbestos-related activities, most notably [CSR], more than 50% of claims made to the NSW Dust Disease Tribunal in 2002 were brought against companies in the James Hardie group.
Prince et al. claim that this is due to the range of mining and manufacturing interests that James Hardie had throughout its long operating history. The Australian Council of Trade Unions estimated that 4600 claims for mesothelioma would be made against James Hardie from 2006 onwards, with claims expected to peak in 2010 or 2011 at 250 per year. The total number of past and future claims made against James Hardie for asbestos-related diseases is estimated to be more than 12,500, of which 8103 will be claimed after 20006.

James Hardie and its subsidiaries had been providing compensation for victims of its operations since the 1980s. Though some earlier claims had arisen, the proliferation of cases from the 1980s onwards forced James Hardie to acknowledge that it had known asbestos to be dangerous. James Hardie nonetheless maintained that it had done everything possible to protect workers. In 1978 the company began putting warning labels on its products explaining that inhalation of the dust could result in cancer and in March 1987 James Hardie ceased all asbestos manufacturing activities

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hard ... ontroversy

Re: Yet another reason the Canadian Tory gov't is a disaster

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:09 pm
by Long Run
We should send them cigarettes instead. Oh wait. :roll:

Re: Yet another reason the Canadian Tory gov't is a disaster

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:27 am
by Sue U
The asbestos industry is perhaps second only to the tobacco industry for concealing, obfuscating and lying about the health hazards of its products. The Canadian government -- both Liberal and Conservative -- has long shielded its asbestos mining industry and has consistently promoted asbestos use abroad -- now particularly in South Asia, where it is still widely and hazardously used in building materials, and where worker protection and civil liability are weak to nonexistent. It is truly a scandal, and the shame of Canada.

ETA:
I represent asbestos disease victims as a major part of my practice, and over the last 18 years I have had more than 100 clients with mesothelioma (and hundreds more with asbestosis). "Meso" is about the worst death you could imagine: an inoperable tumor grows on the lining of your chest wall, slowly crushing your lungs and suffocating you from inside your body; on average, with gruesome chemo and radiation "therapies," it can take up to two years to kill you. (The lucky ones die quickly.) There is no cure, it is always fatal, and its only cause is asbestos exposure -- even very small amounts, which can take 40+ years to cause the disease. I have sat at far too many deathbeds to have any doubt about the consequences of asbestos production.

Re: Yet another reason the Canadian Tory gov't is a disaster

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:55 am
by dgs49
God damn those people for trying to protect a domestic industry in Canada! The companies should all just close down and the owners be forced to wear shirts made of asbestos fiber.

Because, really, there is no information available in developing nations about the dangers of asbestos. They don't have any scientists or doctors, and lord knows they don't have the ability to read or do any research on the subject, right? If the U.N. doesn't clue them in, they cannot possibly find out about the dangers.

And if the people in those countries have the ludicrous idea that asbestos can be handled and used relatively safely (it's been around for more than a thousand years), and it is the best product for their intended used, well, they've got another think coming, I'd say. Fuck 'em.

Re: Yet another reason the Canadian Tory gov't is a disaster

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:44 am
by Scooter
I don't know who is buying it, frankly. But there is obviously SOME reason why the Cdn gov't does not want to sell it with the warning attached. Obviously they are afraid it will hurt sales. If, as you claim, everyone already knows how dangerous it is and it wouldn't make any difference, then why the resistance?

And it will be interesting to see whether the Conservative gov't keeps up its opposition for long, having been completely trounced in the recent federal election in Quebec, which is where the asbestos industry is centred.

Relatively safely? Over 100,000 deaths every year doesn't count as "relatively safely" in my book.

Re: Yet another reason the Canadian Tory gov't is a disaster

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:27 pm
by Long Run
The question remains as to why there is a market for asbestos. It is correct that under controlled circumstances, it is a relatively safe product, but there are terrible consequences for not following the safety precautions. I suppose the warnings are there not for the countries that allow the import, but for the potential consumers of the asbestos products in those countries.

Seems to me like there is a bit of political game playing going on here at the U.N. (as unusual as that may seem). I don't know enough about the dynamics, but if Canada agrees to the treaty, then its companies are forced to comply; while manufacturers in other, less lawful, countries may be able to ignore this requirement with impunity. So even if Canada relents, there will be manufacturers that sell asbestos products without the warnings, while Canada and others comply and lose sales.

Re: Yet another reason the Canadian Tory gov't is a disaster

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:33 pm
by Scooter
Canada is the last holdout. Vietnam, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan had previously opposed but eventually relented.

I suppose countries could always look the other way while non-compliant product is exported, but with a convention in place there would presumably be a way of monitoring compliance and taking violators to task.

Re: Yet another reason the Canadian Tory gov't is a disaster

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:59 pm
by Scooter
Finally some sanity:
Canada's asbestos industry is effectively and finally shut down, with Industry Minister Christian Paradis's announcement Friday that the Canadian government will no long oppose the listing of asbestos as a hazardous substance in the international Rotterdam Convention.

Paradis also said the federal government will invest up to $50 million to help the country's last remaining asbestos mining region, in Quebec's Eastern Townships, to diversify into other areas of activity.

Asbestos production in Quebec has been de facto shut down for the last couple years, but the outgoing Liberal provincial government was loaning $58 million to a company to restart its mining and export operations.

The new Parti Québécois provincial government has promised to cancel the loan.

As recently as 2010, Canada was producing 150,000 tonnes of asbestos annually, all of it in Quebec, and exporting 90 per cent — worth about $90 million — to developing countries. More than 50 countries ban the mining and use of asbestos because it causes cancer, but Canada, traditionally a major exporter, has successfully lobbied in the past to keep it off the UN's Rotterdam Convention list of hazardous substances.

Re: Yet another reason the Canadian Tory gov't is a disaster

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:06 pm
by Sue U
At least it's progress. Now if the government would only stop blocking the enforcement of personal injury judgments against the Canadian asbestos companies.

Re: Yet another reason the Canadian Tory gov't is a disaster

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:24 pm
by Scooter
On what basis are they doing that?