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Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:20 pm
by Scooter
Mark Foley and that guy from Indiana who hired a male hooker have a new member of their club:
A Puerto Rico lawmaker has resigned following reports that explicit photos of him surfaced on Grindr, an iPhone application for gays and bisexuals, the head of the U.S. territory’s Senate announced Sunday.

Sen. Roberto Arango, a Republican who represents the capital of San Juan for the island’s governing party, presented his letter of resignation after a weekend meeting, Senate President Thomas Rivera Schatz said.

Schatz did not release the lawmaker’s letter, but said the circumstances that led to the resignation “are very lamentable.”

Local news media published photos from the application showing a man’s nude upper body with a cell phone obscuring his face. Another photo showed a rear view of a nude man on his hands and knees. Another showed a fuzzy image of a face that seemed to match Arango’s.

Arango has neither confirmed nor denied suggestions by local media that the photos might be of him and apparently was not asked if he had posted them. During a recent interview with WAPA TV in Puerto Rico, the senator said he has taken pictures of himself with a cell phone to document his recent weight loss. (lose a lot of weight off your ass, did you Senator?) ”I really don’t remember having taken those pictures of myself, but it doesn’t mean I didn’t take them,” he told the station. “I really don’t remember.” (he obviously went to the Anthony Weiner School for Dealing with Sex Scandals)

Arango did not return calls Sunday.

A graduate of Louisiana State University and a food importer before turning to politics, he was chairman of a business council for the national Republican Party and municipal director of the Republican Party in Puerto Rico, according to his Web page for Puerto Rico’s Senate.

Pedro Julio Serrano, founder of the gay rights group Puerto Rico for Everyone, said Arango voted in favor of Resolution 99, a proposal that would block any attempt to permit same-sex marriages in the U.S. territory. He also helped block a measure to ban sexual discrimination in the workplace and opposed adoption rights for gays.

“This isn’t a moment to kick someone when he’s down (sure it is, and aim right for his self-hating hypocritical balls), but I have to denounce Sen. Roberto Arango’s complicity with a fundamentalist agenda that promotes the exclusion and marginalization of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people,” Serrano said Sunday.
Yet another closet case making a career out of being a homophobic bigot. Anyone see a pattern yet?

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:25 pm
by dgs49
"Identity politics."

The liberal fallacy (or belief, or whatever else you might consider it) that one's political philosophy MUST emanate from the political interest group with which I am identified.

I am a woman, so I MUST be "pro-Choice" (sic).

I am a Black American, so I must be a liberal democrat.

I am a union member, therefore I must HATE the governors who are trying to roll back some collective bargaining elements in different states.

I am gay, therefore I MUST support gay "marriage" and anti-discrimination initiatives.

God forbid I should actually think about the issues and draw my own conclusions. It might make me a traitor to my Oppressed Identity Group.

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:32 pm
by Scooter
If one keeps his/her identity as a Jew a secret while openly supporting the American Nazi Party, or if one is an African-American who “passes” for white and is a member of the KKK, then he/she is a self-hating hypocrite. No difference in this case.

Or perhaps you see no incongruity in black people feeling at home in the KKK or Jews flocking to joing the Nazi Party. Reading what you have written over the years, you probably do not.

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:36 pm
by Sue U
dgs49 wrote:God forbid I should actually think about the issues and draw my own conclusions. It might make me a traitor to my Oppressed Identity Group.
Sure, like all the free-thinking indepenent black folks who were just too afraid to voice their support for Jim Crow for fear of being called a "traitor." :roll: :roll: :roll:

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:37 pm
by Scooter
Or all those Jews who were voluntarily walking into the gas chambers and had to pretend they were being forced.

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:55 pm
by Liberty1
Or perhaps you see no incongruity in black people feeling at home in the KKK
Sure, like all the free-thinking indepenent black folks who were just too afraid to voice their support for Jim Crow for fear of being called a "traitor
You mean there are at least 2 wings of the democrat party blacks haven't been welcome in? What hypocrits.

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:00 pm
by Scooter
Those elements of the Democratic Party moved to the Republican Party long ago. Guess you missed the memo.

Or perhaps you're too ashamed to admit being in bed with a bunch of unreconstructed racists. Lie down with dogs...

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:26 pm
by Liberty1
Yea, jim Crow laws went away in the 50s and 60s, the same period when the Reps got various civil rights laws passed, and the same period when Dems filibustered them.

And the KKK, I wasn't aware that they actually endorsed a party at least since the Dems created the organizaton, or possibly during the DixieCRAT period.

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:31 pm
by Scooter
And since that time, the filibusterers like Strom Thurmond found a home in the Republican Party, as did KKK members like David Duke.

As I said, lie down with dogs...

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:51 pm
by Sue U
For the record, substantial majorities of both Republicans and Democrats in Congress voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, in an effort led by Lyndon Johnson (D) following on a cause championed by John F. Kennedy (D). However, it is the vote by region that tells the tale: at a time when segregationist Democrats still held large majorities in the South -- a cultural holdover from Reconstruction -- no Southern Republicans AT ALL voted for the bill. And in the North, only 85% (House) and 84% (Senate)of Republicans supported the Act, while 94% and 98% of Northern Democrats (House and Senate, respectively) voted for it.

The Civil Rights Act actually sounded the death knell for the segregationist wing of the Democratic Party, which was then split up between the Republicans in Nixon's 1968 "Southern strategy" campaign and George Wallace's independent campaign that same year. By 1972, they were firmly brought into the Republican fold.

ETA:
In addition to presidential campaigns, Democratic charges of racism have been made about subsequent Republican campaigns for the House of Representatives and Senate in the South. The Willie Horton commercials used by supporters of George H. W. Bush against Michael Dukakis in the election of 1988 were considered by many Democrats, including Jesse Jackson, Lloyd Bentsen, and many newspaper editors, to be racist. The 1990 re-election campaign of Jesse Helms attacked his opponent's alleged support of "racial quotas," most notably through an ad in which a white person's hands are seen crumpling a letter indicating that he was denied a job because of the color of his skin.[31]

Bob Herbert, a New York Times columnist, reported a 1981 interview with Lee Atwater, published in Southern Politics in the 1990s by Prof. Alexander P. Lamis, in which Lee Atwater discussed politics in the South:
You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.
And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger".[5]
Herbert wrote in the same column, "The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections, it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of civil rights and voting rights for blacks."[32]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_s ... #Evolution

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:52 pm
by dgs49
Not on point guys.

There are MANY gays who do not believe that the states should recognize gay "marriages." They understand that the entire infrastructure of the rights and obligations of marriage are based on a common concept of the nuclear family that simply does not apply to same-sex couples.

There are also many gays who see gay-rights legislation as problematic for a number of reasons (e.g., tax), and beleive that they are generally unnecessary (gay couples on average have higher household incomes than hetero couples).

To state categorically that because a gay person disagrees with the majority views in the gay community, he is a hypocrite is to equate identity politics with reality.

The Thought Police are alive and well in the Democrat Party.

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:58 pm
by Scooter
So there were, in fact, Jews that went voluntarily to the gas chambers. Thanks for educating me, wasn't aware of that before.

And while it's true that there are gays who don't believe in same-sex marriage, that is so because they see marriage as an outdated and patriarchal institution that has no place in a relationship of equals. IOW, they fall to the left of the political spectrum and would clearly not be members of the Republican Party, so Sen. Arango's rationale for opposing same-sex marriage is obviously quite different (i.e. to pander to supporters of the Republican Party and as a cover for his own sexual confusion).

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:05 pm
by Sue U
dgs49 wrote:There are MANY gays ...
Really? 'Cause I know many gays (I'll bet Scooter knows more) and I don't know ANY who oppose marriage equality or civil rights for gays.

Who are these many gay spokesmen calling for limitations on rights for homosexuals?
dgs49 wrote:the entire infrastructure of the rights and obligations of marriage are based on a common concept of the nuclear family that simply does not apply to same-sex couples.
Really? 'Cause "marriage" has been around a hell of a lot longer than "the nuclear family," so how does that work?
dgs49 wrote:There are also many gays who see gay-rights legislation as problematic for a number of reasons (e.g., tax), and beleive that they are generally unnecessary (gay couples on average have higher household incomes than hetero couples).
And Presbyterians generally have higher household income than Catholics, and whites have generally higher household incomes than blacks, so we should set tax policy according to skin color or religious affiliation? Even if your assertion were correct, so what?

For those gays who don't want to marry and don't want the legal benefits and responsibilities that come wth it, the answer is simple: Don't get married.

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:14 pm
by Sue U
Scooter wrote:And while it's true that there are gays who don't believe in same-sex marriage, that is so because they see marriage as an outdated and patriarchal institution that has no place in a relationship of equals.
I know gay men who have no interest in marriage and think it's a ridiculous arrangement, but they certainly wouldn't be voting to deny it to others.

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:21 pm
by Scooter
True, they wouldn't be joining forces with the National Organization for Marriage and that ilk to oppose it.

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:06 pm
by Liberty1
My sister is gay, has been with her partner since the late 80s, is a republican and does not agree with same sex marraige. She's all for "equality" in other areas, benefits, hospital visitation etc, but when it comes to marraige, no.

Re: Yet another case of protesting too much

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:15 pm
by Scooter
If by "does not agree with same-sex marriage" you mean that she does not believe that same-sex couples should be permitted to marry if they want (as opposed to she does not desire to get married herself), then my response is - bullshit.