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Labour?
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25%
Conservative?
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17%
Lib Dem?
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8%
Plaid Cymru?
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No votes
Scots Nats?
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8%
UKIP?
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No votes
Greens?
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No votes
BNP?
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8%
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33%
 
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Brown to call election for 6 May

Prime Minister Gordon Brown is preparing to announce that the general election will be held on 6 May.

Following a cabinet meeting, he will go to Buckingham Palace to ask the Queen to dissolve Parliament.

On returning from the Palace he will confirm the widely-predicted date and call the election "the big choice".

Conservative leader David Cameron said his party had the "big ideas" for the country while Lib Dem Nick Clegg said only his party offered "real change".

The economy, taxation and public services will be key battlegrounds.

TV debates

The campaign will also feature, for the first time, live television debates between the three main party leaders.

It will be the first time that Mr Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg have led their respective parties into a general election - none were party leaders at the last one in 2005.

On returning from the Palace, Mr Brown is expected to announce the date surrounded by his entire cabinet, the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson said.

“ We are in for most unpredictable, most dramatic and most exciting election in many years - I can't wait ”
Nick Robinson

Mr Brown is expected to say in a speech: "The people have fought too hard to get Britain on the road to recovery to allow anybody to take us back to the road to recession."

He will outline "three big challenges" facing the country - securing the recovery, protecting front-line services whilst halving the deficit, and renewing politics.

At about the same time, Mr Cameron will make a speech in which he is expected to say the Tories are fighting for "the great ignored".

"We're fighting this election for the great ignored - young, old, rich, poor, black, white, gay, straight.

"They start businesses, operate factories, teach our children, clean the streets, grow our food and keep us healthy - keep us safe. They work hard, pay their taxes, obey the law," he will say.

Iraq invasion

Meanwhile in an address to party workers, Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg is expected to say the announcement marks the "beginning of the end for Gordon Brown", claiming he is "directly and personally responsible for the biggest mistakes of the last 13 years".

He is expected to highlight the banking crash and recession, the "illegal invasion of Iraq", the "corruption and rottenness in our politics" and claim Britain has become more unfair under Labour.

ANALYSIS
Ross Hawkins BBC political correspondent

Much of the substantial discussion in the coming weeks will centre on policies for taxing the public, and spending their money.

Recent debate has centred on the government's plan to put up National Insurance next year, and the Conservative policy of blocking much of the rise.

Journalists will press politicians for more detail on whether their sums add up, and where spending cuts will come.

These debates will be picked over in huge detail. Few will have the time to follow every twist. But at the heart of each one will be the fight to appear credible on the economy.

The whole cabinet will start campaigning immediately and the shadow cabinet is also poised to fan out across the country as soon as the election is called.

Speaking on Tuesday morning, Mr Cameron said he would be explaining to voters around the country they had a "big choice" and only the Conservatives had the "energy, the leadership, the values to get things done in our country".

Mr Clegg told reporters it was not a "two horse race" between the two biggest parties and people were "crying out for something different".

"All bets are off," he said.

"I'm really looking forward to being able to put the case for real change, real fairness, to people."

But in an interview with the Daily Mirror, the prime minister urged the public to stick with him to see the job through.

"This is an election not about small issues - it is the big choice. We have come so far in taking Britain out of recession... do we throw this away now?"

The three main parties - along with a host of other smaller parties - will be fighting for 650 seats, four more than currently exist because of constituency boundary changes.

To secure an overall majority, a party must win at least 326. If no party succeeds in doing so, the result will be a hung Parliament.

After 13 years in power, Labour enters the election with a notional majority of 48 seats, meaning that a loss of 24 seats would see them lose their overall majority.

Whatever the result, the make-up of the House of Commons will change significantly following the election, with 144 MPs so far having announced that they will stand down.

Opinion polls timed to coincide with the announcement all suggest a Conservative lead over Labour, by differing margins.

An ICM survey for the Guardian indicates the Tory lead has dropped to just four points, with the Conservatives on 37%, Labour on 33% and the Lib Dems on 21%.

However a YouGov poll in the Sun and another by Opinium for the Daily Express suggest the Tories have opened up a 10% lead - the margin David Cameron is likely to need in order to win an outright majority on 6 May. The Sun has the Tories on 41%, Labour on 31% and the Lib Dems on 18%. The Express reports a 39/29/17 split.

The economy will be the focus of much of the campaign and of one of the live leadership debates to be held during the election campaign on the BBC, Sky and ITV.

On Monday Mr Brown said Tory plans, in particular to reverse Labour's planned National Insurance rise, were a risk the UK "can't afford" and could send the country into a "double-dip recession".

The Conservatives say the planned National Insurance rise would lead to job losses and argue that by making £6bn of government efficiency savings this financial year they would not have to implement most of the policy.

The Liberal Democrats have set out plans for £15bn of public spending cuts, a "mansion tax" on properties worth more than £2m and an end to income tax on the first £10,000 of earnings.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/u ... 603591.stm

Published: 2010/04/06 08:23:45 GMT
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Despite being a life long Labour supporter and party member now and again - I cannot and I will not vote for them in this election. They have completely lost the plot and are out of touch with the voters. As much as it will pain me to do so I will vote against them for only the second time in over 25 years - I cannot vote Tory as I'm Welsh and I have a VERY long memory not to mention direct personal experience of living under Tory rule and ending up jobless and close to homeless due to their mismanagement of the country and Thatchers direct attack on Wales and Welsh Industry *spit* so that leaves me looking at the Lib Dems or UKIP I tend to think I'll go LibDem as they at least have a chance of getting in this time even if only as part of a hung parliament, but I want to have a more detailed look at both parties stance on some of the issues that I am most interested in such as the repeal or amendment of the Dangerous Dogs Act and stricter controls on puppy farming.
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You know what? I think so many of us are caught in a "can't vote for them, can't vote for those fuckers either," conundrum now.

makes for interesting politics :)
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Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to forget about this election palaver and let us decide the issue here with a poll? It could be a way of attracting new members... until Gordon Brown registers 100,000 sock puppets...



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Oh, but this place will decide the outcome Sean, we're all powerful you know!

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Gob wrote:You know what? I think so many of us are caught in a "can't vote for them, can't vote for those fuckers either," conundrum now.

makes for interesting politics :)
Put me in that camp.

Even if I don't know all of the intricacies of the (usually minute) differences between some of these parties (other than the mad ones) I have enough trouble over here when it comes to picking through my options until I find the best is last. (I usually vote backwards from the "Never in a Million years" option to "Who do I despise the least".)
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i honestly don`t know who to vote for, i remember my father telling me always vote for labour they are a working mans government (that was over 30years ago), not anymore, their all as bad as each other, hungry for power.

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Welcome scarlets mun, and I totally agree with you. Back in Llanelli it was said that if you put a red rosette on a donkey people would vote for it. (As evidenced by Denzil Davis being MP for so long.)

Labour are now a "centreist party", which means basically they will; say whatever gets them votes, and screw over anyone to get them.

Same goes for the Tories and even more so the Lib Dems.

It's really a case of which party will do the least harm?
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Reality Bytes wrote: I cannot vote Tory as I'm Welsh and I have a VERY long memory not to mention direct personal experience of living under Tory rule and ending up jobless and close to homeless due to their mismanagement of the country and Thatchers direct attack on Wales and Welsh Industry
I have heard this sort of statement before and fund it puzzling. The Romans invaded Britain (I think that was what it was called then) 2000 years ago - but I am not against Italians.

I agree that Labour are now completely out of touch with, well, reality really. I started off being very impressed with Gordy when he took over (always liked Tony Blair - at least he did what he believed in); unfortunately, Gordy's words were not mirrored in his deeds. I honestly believe he is more interested in getting himself elected rather than the good of the country, and while I am sure there is an element of that in all the politicians, his antics have been a little too much.

And don't get me started on his stealth taxes. Well, ok, just slightly started. Last year when they dropped VAT in the UK from 17.5% to 15%, they added 2% to fuel since they decided it was too easy a cash cow. Now, VAT is back to 17.5% again - and they didn't remove the extra 2% on fuel! Words fail ...
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thestoat wrote:
Reality Bytes wrote: I cannot vote Tory as I'm Welsh and I have a VERY long memory not to mention direct personal experience of living under Tory rule and ending up jobless and close to homeless due to their mismanagement of the country and Thatchers direct attack on Wales and Welsh Industry
I have heard this sort of statement before and fund it puzzling. The Romans invaded Britain (I think that was what it was called then) 2000 years ago - but I am not against Italians.

I agree that Labour are now completely out of touch with, well, reality really. I started off being very impressed with Gordy when he took over (always liked Tony Blair - at least he did what he believed in); unfortunately, Gordy's words were not mirrored in his deeds. I honestly believe he is more interested in getting himself elected rather than the good of the country, and while I am sure there is an element of that in all the politicians, his antics have been a little too much.

And don't get me started on his stealth taxes. Well, ok, just slightly started. Last year when they dropped VAT in the UK from 17.5% to 15%, they added 2% to fuel since they decided it was too easy a cash cow. Now, VAT is back to 17.5% again - and they didn't remove the extra 2% on fuel! Words fail ...
What Maggie did was not 2000 years ago, moreover what she caused had an impact on my husband and I which lasted until just last year it isn't ancient history to us - in the same way it isn't ancient history to many others who lost homes, jobs, pensions and even the lives of their loved ones who saw no other way out. My hatred for her and for all things Tory is founded on direct experience.

I liked Blair when he first came to power but that changed when he took us into Iraq Labour under Blair broke the covernant with the armed forces and that is an utter disgrace when those same troops are putting their lives on the line daily. Gordy has suffered from having to try and deal with the crap Blair left behind, the mistrust of the voters and the arrogance of a party too long in power, he's a thug who doesn't have charisma & he can be rattled, tbh that doesn't bother me as I would far rather have the bluntness and lack of social graces than the smarmy insincere smoothness of someone like Blair. However, I do not believe Gordy can fix whats wrong with Labour and the country desperately needs a change.
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thestoat wrote:What Maggie did was not 2000 years ago, moreover what she caused had an impact on my husband and I which lasted until just last year it isn't ancient history to us - in the same way it isn't ancient history to many others who lost homes, jobs, pensions and even the lives of their loved ones who saw no other way out. My hatred for her and for all things Tory is founded on direct experience.
I do understand that - my point is that what Maggie did was what Maggie did - not what David Cameron did. To a large extent we are still feeling the extent of the 2nd World War, certainly in financial terms, but we don't blame German youngsters for that. Tory policy of the 70s and 80s was there to combat the loony left - it has changed many times since then. I just don't feel it fair to link a leader who replaced a leader who replaced a leader who replaced a leader who replaced Maggie - any more than it would be to link Brown or Blair with Michael Foot.

I agree with you that I don't think Gordy can fix what's wrong. He is a thug and the sooner he is out the better.
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Tory policy hasn't changed all that much and what changes there may have been I simply don't beleive they will be able to stick to if they got into power, it's pretty much all Tory round here local government wise, so I've been living with the Tories in power for the past 8 years - it doesn't inspire me in any way, moreover as someone who is involved with a parlimentary lobby group (albeit only in a minor way) and having taken an active part in lobbying and entering into dialogues with my local Tory MP nothing about him fills me with confidence either, now granted the Torys have got a harder battle than a labour candidate to win me over but they have done next to nothing to even begin to try, mind you neither has the labour candidate - in fact in the last local elections I went independant labour.

BTW - in the 80's I was probably one of those "loony left" you refer to LOL!
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Nice post :-) And of course, if you don't like their policies then that's a good reason not to vote for them. I just don't feel that saddling the current leader with perceived injustices 5 or so leaders ago is fair. Though of course, fairness doesn't come into the thinking of anyone in parliament from what I can see. Maybe a hung parliament should mean we hang the bloody lot of them and start again ... :twisted:
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I like it! I'll get me rope... :)

I share your dilemmas. I'm strong on law and order, and punishment for crimes. I'm also strong on equality and equal opportunity. I'm for a strong welfare state for those in GENUINE need and for the sick, disabled and elderly, I'm very anti-scroungers and career dole recipients. I believe that you should have to pay into the system for five years before you get a penny out.

I'm pro police, but expect them to hold impeccable standards. I'm pro-British unity and anti-uncontrolled immigration, Aus's points system or similar should be instigated in the UK.

I'm for state schools being highly funded and anti-private schools getting any state money.

I'm anti-religious. I'm highly pro the NHS, and would hate us to end up like the bloody Yanks.

I'm by instinct, and have always voted, labour, being from Llanelli. But now question if they have the interest of me and mine at heart any more.

There is no party for me these days. I should start my own.
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Listen — while you’ve been glued to the latest election news on your radio or television, with David Cameron telling you that you ought to choose “hope not fear” and other such fatuous, patronising, gobbets of disinformation, the world has been turning. Things have been happening: the usual things, but also unusual things. For example, the celebrity Kerry Katona has been photographed kissing a sea lion. You have missed this stuff as a consequence of your determination to know what Nick Clegg thinks about old people’s homes, or National Insurance.

So here’s a bit of public service journalism — all the stories you didn’t find out about because your daily newspaper was doing a crucial profile of the crucial Grindley East constituency where three identical, eight-limbed alien life forms are neck and neck, if you can call them necks, in the race for Westminster.

— Global warming ceased to exist, both as a concept and a reality — coldest winter in 31 years and a chilly spring. A man from the Royal Statistical Society claimed the famous “hockey stick” graph of global warming was rubbish. An article in a left-wing British newspaper suggested that if there were global warming, scientists needed to explain very quickly, preferably with charts, why everywhere wasn’t getting hotter.

— There is a goat-pox crisis in the rural Yunlin County area of Taiwan. So far 800 goats have perished.

— The USA has signed a civil nuclear deal with Pakistan. Pakistan’s neighbour India reacted to this news in much the same way as you might react if told your daughter had just got engaged to Ashley Cole. And was already pregnant.

— A handyman, Peter Aspinall, attempted to saw off the rotten branch of a tree in a hotel garden near Bolton, but made the mistake of leaning his ladder against the branch rather than the trunk. He ended up in hospital for 10 days and is now suing the hotel for compensation. The gist of his complaint is that he should have been warned not to be so stupid.

— The World Health Organisation admitted it overegged the swine flu problem, seeing that almost nobody died of the disease. Britain spent more than £300m on utterly useless vaccines as a consequence of Sir Liam Donaldson’s enthusiasm for swine flu. Sir Liam, meanwhile, is dreaming up a new virus to scare us all, though he is no longer our chief medical officer. It is important to keep up an interest, once you have retired.

— Swarms of highly aggressive killer hornets are making their way towards Britain where they will eat all our remaining bees and kill toddlers and old folks with their vicious stings. The hornets come from Asia.

— A health and safety inspector in Norfolk was “savaged” by a flock of sheep as he attempted to carry out a time and motion study of shepherding duties. The sheep surrounded Vernon Wilkes, 48, bleating “aggressively” and began butting him repeatedly and trampling on him. The sheep were later put down.

— They are going to have to lay more grass at Wembley stadium, for the 11th time since the ground was opened three years ago. The ground staff continue to blame the grass for not growing properly and not being resilient, rather than the multitude of pop concerts they hold there every year.

— A cat called Tiggs in St Neots, Cambridgeshire, was stuck 100ft up a redwood tree for seven days because the fire brigade did not have ladders tall enough to reach it. The fire brigade advised the owners to call out a tree surgeon. Maybe they should have approached Mr Aspinall. He could have sorted it out. Why is there a redwood in Cambridgeshire, by the way? Just one of the questions that will never be answered as a consequence of this election.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 100992.ece
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Wow, neck and neck...

This could get interesting!
The general election has become a genuine three-way contest with the Lib Dems, on 29%, enjoying their strongest support in almost 30 years.

Clegg’s party is one point behind Labour on 30%, with the Tories on 33% having a slender lead of three points. The poll suggests David Cameron’s Tories are on course to secure 239 seats, only 46 more than they have now.

Labour, despite being second in terms of the popular vote, would get the most seats, with about 287 MPs, giving Gordon Brown a fighting chance of clinging on as prime minister.

The number of Lib Dem MPs would increase from 63 to 93, putting them in a strong position to dictate terms in a hung parliament.

Clegg himself has an almost unprecedented approval rating of 72%, ahead of Cameron on 19% and Brown on minus 18%.

Churchill had an 83% approval rating in 1945, just a few months before he lost the general election.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 100966.ece
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Could one of you explain to me what the difference is between "New Labour" and Lib Dem? And for those disenchanted with Labour, why is it so hard to vote Lib Dem?
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Gawd, that's a tough one Sue!

Nu-Labour were formerly the left of centre socialist leaning party. They took on the Nu prefix when Tony Blair allegedly pulled them to being a more centrist party.

Lib Dems have always been a centrist party, but have had more abrupt changes of direction than a one legged man in a ball bearing factory.

In terms of policy today there is little difference between them, if anything the Lib Dems have become more of a left leaning party than Labour. Labour have become a "say anything which may keep us in power" party.

Why is it so hard for the disenchanted Labour members to vote Lib Dem? Most see them as offering nothing new.
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From the comments here and from what little I see/hear in the news, it seems to me that the complaint with Labour is with its leadership and the corruption scandals of individual MPs, not the party policies as a whole (except of course that whole Iraq thing). Clegg seems like a good sort, at least from the minimal coverage of the campaign we get here. Plus he'd keep the U.S. at arm's length. What's keeping you from voting Lib Dem?
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If you mean personally, then the Lib Dem candidate in my area is a strong Cornish Nationalist, which I disagree with.,

If you mean the UK per se, then I think there are two problems;

1) they are untried and untested in Govt, and the UK is not in a healthy enough state to bear that.

2) The seem to be attracting attention on the charisma of Clegg. The last time people voted on charisma we ended up with Bliar at the helm, he's not remembered fondly.
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