Australian Killers

[liberty]

Recently the Australian government’s confidence in the ability of the average Australian woman be a prodigious killer has increased to the point that they have decided to open all military positions including combat to women. That is fine; I am stronger believer that the people of any nation have a sovereign right to run their affairs as they see fit. However I would strongly advise them to test this concept while they still have a war in which to do it. Put together a unit composed of women who are currently serving in the Australian military and get them into combat in order to get them blooded and judge how well they will perform. The military is not about equal rights; it is about protecting the nation and an untested change in the military is dangerous for the nation.

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http://news.yahoo.com/australian-women- ... 53852.html

..Australian women to take front-line military roles

By ROD McGUIRK - Associated Press | AP – .CANBERRA, Australia (AP) — Australia will remove all gender barriers in its military over the next five years, opening up positions that had previously been considered too dangerous for women, including front-line combat roles, a minister said Tuesday.

Australia will follow Canada and New Zealand in allowing women who meet physical and psychological criteria to perform any role they choose, Defense Minister Stephen Smith said.

"This is a significant and major cultural change," he told reporters.

"That is why we'd rather err on the side of caution in expressing a five-year period" to implement the change.

Women can currently serve in 93 percent of employment categories in the Australian Defense Force, which includes the army, navy and air force. But some roles have been reserved for men, including infantry, artillery and naval clearance diving.

The Cabinet agreed to the change Monday with the support of defense chiefs, Smith said.

"This is simply about putting into the front line those people who are best placed to do the job, irrespective of your sex," he said.

The Australian Defense Association, an influential security think-tank, previously warned that it could inflict heavy casualties on Australia's women warriors.

Neil James, the association's executive director, argues that there are biomechanical differences between the sexes — differences in muscle distribution, centers of gravity and rate of recovery from physical exertion — that make even physically strong women more vulnerable in combat.

"You've got to worry about the risk of disproportionate female casualties compared to men and the minister's announcement really doesn't indicate that he's across all that detail," James said.

Smith said the change would not affect the Australian military's interoperability and personnel exchanges with its major security partner, the United States.

Australia has 1,550 troops in Afghanistan as part of the U.S.-led mission there.

Smith could not say whether the elite Special Air Service and Commando Regiments fighting in Uruzgan province could include women troopers before Australia withdraws from Afghanistan in 2014.

But he said he knew of an Australian army platoon in which the best shot was a woman who should be considered for a combat role as a sniper.

"Currently she would be prohibited and prevented from being a sniper in Afghanistan," Smith said. "Why would we take away the chance of the best shot in a platoon playing that role?"

The military is working with a university to determine what physical capabilities are required for specific male-only jobs. The first of these jobs to be opened to women will be announced by next March. Smith said standards will not be dropped and there would be no quotas introduced for female representation.

Only 8,000 of Australia's almost 60,000 troops are female and defense chiefs have long attempted to recruit more women.

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[Gob]

Dear Mum & Dad,

I am well. Hope youse are too. Tell me big brothers Doug and Phil that the Army is better than workin' on the farm - tell them to get in bloody quick smart before the jobs are all gone! I wuz a bit slow in settling down at first, because ya don't hafta get outta bed until 6am. But I like sleeping in now, cuz all yagotta do before brekky is make ya bed and shine ya boots and clean ya uniform. No bloody cows to milk, no calves to feed, no feed to stack - nothin'!! Ya haz gotta shower though, but it's not so bad, coz there's lotsa hot water and even a light to see what ya doing! shooting possum

At brekky ya get cereal, fruit and eggs but there's no kangaroo steaks or possum stew like wot Mum makes. You don't get fed again until noon and by that time all the city boys are buggered because we've been on a 'route march' - geez it's only just like walking to the windmill in the back paddock!!

This one will kill me brothers Doug and Phil with laughter. I keep getting medals for shootin' - dunno why. The bullseye is as big as a bloody possum's arse and it don't move and it's not firing back at ya like the Johnsons did when our big scrubber bull got into their prize cows before the Ekka last year! All ya gotta do is make yourself comfortable and hit the target - it's a piece of piss!! You don't even load your own cartridges they comes in little boxes and ya don't have to steady yourself against the rollbar of the roo shooting truck when you reload!
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Sometimes yagotta wrestle with the city boys and I gotta be real careful coz they break easy - it's not like fighting with Doug and Phil and Jack and Boori and Steve and Muzza all at once like we do at home after the muster.

Turns out I'm not a bad boxer either and it looks like I'm the best the platoon's got, and I've only been beaten by this one bloke from the Engineers - he's 6 foot 5 and 18 stone and like three pick handles across the shoulders and as ya know I'm only 5 foot 7 and eight stone wringin' wet, but I fought him till the other blokes carried me off to the boozer.

I can't complain about the Army - tell the boys to get in quick before word gets around how bloody good it is.

Your loving daughter,

Sheila

[liberty]

To those who voted it is “a good idea“. How do you know it is good idea; has it ever been tested? Do you consider yourself a scientist? To a scientist, nothing is a fact until it is proven true, with the exception God of course.

[Scooter]

Did you miss the part where miltaries in other countries have implemented this successfully?

There is your test.

[Sean]

Think about it... These women will synchronise their cycles and what we're left with is an army of pre-menstrual unstoppable hellhounds.

The enemy will run for their mums!

[Scooter]

You can combine it with the chemical warfare that was being researched to turn the enemy forces gay.

[Gob]

NATALIE SAMBHI was packing her bags for a trip to Indonesia yesterday morning when a friend called to tell her the world was changing.

She switched on her television and listened as the Defence Minister, Stephen Smith - she calls him ''MinDef'' - told her she would now be able to fight alongside her male colleagues. ''As soon as I heard the words 'frontline, women, combat', I knew what they were doing and I was just elated - I screamed. It was an historic moment.''

In 2009 Ms Sambhi applied to become an officer in the reserves but was forced to choose the signals corp because as a woman she was not allowed to join the infantry corp.



Ready and willing … Natalie Sambhi has immediately raised her ambitions from the signals corp to being able to lead troops on the frontline. Photo: Andrew Meares

With Mr Smith's announcement that within five years women would serve on the frontlines in any role, including fighting in special forces units, Ms Sambhi can expect to graduate as an infantry officer and not only fight on the frontline but lead others there.

A 29-year-old from Canberra with a masters in international relations, who speaks six languages and has worked as a civilian in the military's Special Operations Command, Ms Sambhi is not used to insurmountable obstacles.

But when she applied to be an army officer she found one of her longest-held aims - the right to fight on the frontline - closed to her. ''When I joined Defence I think that was the first time I've ever been told, 'Here's something you can't do.' To be told that, and with no good reason, that was pretty offensive.''

She had been forced to accept that limitation - until yesterday.

''To serve on the frontline, to be able to muster an esprit de corps among my soldiers, to be able to lead them, to be able to fight for something I believe in, for my country … it's a dream, it's something I've wanted so badly.''



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/its-a-dr ... z1ZCL2GdTb

[rubato]

The experiment has been done before. Women are fine in combat.


yrs,
rubato

[liberty]

I am not saying that woman are not physically capable of meeting the requirement of the warrior at least to some extent; there have been guerilla bands that have used them, but the disciple was very strict. Israel has used woman in combat at one time, but no longer, why is that? I am not sure that western woman have this capability, hell a lot of the men in our culture don’t. We have weakened considerable over the last couple of generations.

Some things to consider:

In a war in which we can’t take and hold prisoner, we have to kill all the enemy we come inflict with; could you shoot kill a would enemy that presented no eminent threat? You kill him today or he kills you tomorrow.

Could the average Australian woman or American for matter live weeks or months at a remote outpost without taking care of their sanitary needs? I don‘t know.

How would they feel about being involuntarily moved to a combat positions?

What if a woman decided she has had enough of the horrors of war and decides to out by getting pregnant. How should that be handled?

And, Scooter we are not talking about implementing an administrative program we are talking about killing people.

[rubato]

You're blithering.

Shut up.

yrs,
rubato

[Scooter]

And, Scooter we are not talking about implementing an administrative program we are talking about killing people.

And I said that military forces in other countries have already done this successfully. Did I stutter?

Israel has used woman in combat at one time, but no longer, why is that?

You're wrong, of course, because you have it exactly backwards, as usual. Israeli women have served in the IDF since its inception, but were not allowed into combat roles until 2000, and they still serve in combat roles to the present day. Women in the Israel Defense Forces.

[liberty]

And, Scooter we are not talking about implementing an administrative program we are talking about killing people.

And I said that military forces in other countries have already done this successfully. Did I stutter?

Israel has used woman in combat at one time, but no longer, why is that?

You're wrong, of course, because you have it exactly backwards, as usual. Israeli women have served in the IDF since its inception, but were not allowed into combat roles until 2000, and they still serve in combat roles to the present day. Women in the Israel Defense Forces.

Well if you are right you are right, but I will use my own link.

[Scooter]

Let me guess, World Net Daily.

[liberty]

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23886

"History shows that the presence of women has had a devastating impact on the effectiveness of men in battle," wrote John Luddy in July 27, 1994, for the Heritage Foundation backgrounder.

"For example, it is a common misperception that Israel allows women in combat units. In fact, women have been barred from combat in Israel since 1950, when a review of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War showed how harmful their presence could be. The study revealed that men tried to protect and assist women rather than continue their attack. As a result, they not only put their own lives in greater danger, but also jeopardized the survival of the entire unit. The study further revealed that unit morale was damaged when men saw women killed and maimed on the battlefield," Luddy said.



Read more: Debunking the Israeli 'women in combat' myth http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ART ... z1ZCivjhLk

[rubato]

Ahhh the HERITAGE foundation. A factory for right-wing sound bites and little else.

Cite a reputable source?


yrs,
rubato

[Scooter]

Let me guess, World Net Daily.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23886

And people laugh when I claim to be psychic. Just as I predicted, you walked right into it.

The date on that article is 2001. The moron who wrote that article did not do his research, and did not know that legislation enabling women to serve in combat positions had just been passed in 2000, and that women continue to serve in combat positions to this day.

So once again, you are proven an idiot. And you fell precisely for the trap that I predicted you would.

[liberty]

Let me guess, World Net Daily.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23886

And people laugh when I claim to be psychic. Just as I predicted, you walked right into it.

The date on that article is 2001.

I don’t see where that is relevant; the author is dealing with the history of Israeli woman in combat.

In area so critical ideology can not be allowed to interfere with the mission. Put the woman I combat and see how well they perform; nothing speaks louder than success.

[Scooter]

I don’t see where that is relevant; the author is dealing with the history of Israeli woman in combat.

Aside from the fact that it provides a completely warped rendition of that history, It's relevant because the age of the article means that it cannot take into account the past ten years, the only period in history when Israeli women have formally been serving in combat roles.

Israeli women do serve in combat roles in the IDF. Deal with it.

Put the woman I combat and see how well they perform

Canada, Germany, South Korea, France, Spain, New Zealand, Denmark and Israel. Take your pick, because women serve in combat roles in all of those countries.

[Grim Reaper]

Also, while the US Army still does not allow females in the infantry or special forces, they have been in combat situations quite frequently in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And another thing to remember, the military won't allow a female into an infantry position just because she's female. She will still have to pass the same standards as males. The military does set the standards in order to be able to defend the nation. They are not going to compromise those standards in order to let females serve.

Finally:

To those who voted it is “a good idea“. How do you know it is good idea; has it ever been tested? Do you consider yourself a scientist? To a scientist, nothing is a fact until it is proven true, with the exception God of course.

This is just 100% pure garbage. It added nothing to the discussion and only exists to stir up trouble. What does being a scientist have to do with this? Other countries have allowed females into combat roles, and somehow they've done just fine. And tacking God on the end was just infantile.

[liberty]

What does being a scientist have to do with this?

To the person who thinks as a scientist, something is either true or it is not. If it can be demonstrated as such with a objected experiment, it has to be accepted as a fact by any reasonable person. But a fact is not a fact just because you say it. And we will leave God out of it; he requires no proof.