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It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:37 pm
by dales
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nileg ... president/

Nile Gardiner

Nile Gardiner is a Washington-based foreign affairs analyst and political commentator. He appears frequently on American and British television and radio, including Fox News Channel, CNN, BBC, Sky News, and NPR.


Why Barack Obama is the decline and despair president

By Nile GardinerUS politicsLast updated: October 27th, 2011

This week, The Hill newspaper published a poll that is dispiriting to anyone concerned about the future of America as the world's leading power. It was one of the most damning yet, illustrating just how far most Americans believe their country has fallen in recent years. According to The Hill:


More than two-thirds of voters say the United States is declining, and a clear majority think the next generation will be worse off than this one, according to the results of a new poll commissioned by The Hill.

A resounding 69 percent of respondents said the country is “in decline,” the survey found, while 57 percent predict today’s kids won’t live better lives than their parents. Additionally, 83 percent of voters indicated they’re either very or somewhat worried about the future of the nation, with 49 percent saying they’re “very worried.”

The results suggest that Americans don’t view the country’s current economic and political troubles as temporary, but instead see them continuing for many years.

At the same time, international perceptions of American power are also worsening. A September report conducted by the Pew Global Attitudes Project found a growing number of respondents in 18 countries questioning America’s ability to remain ahead of its main competitor China. As Pew found:


Across the 18 countries surveyed by Pew in both 2009 and 2011, the median percentage saying China will replace or already has replaced the U.S. as the world’s leading superpower increased from 40% in 2009 to 47% two years later. Meanwhile, the median percentage saying China will never replace the U.S. fell from 44% to 36%.

Looking specifically at economic power, many believe China has already assumed the top spot. In the 2011 poll, pluralities in Britain, France, Germany and Spain named China – not the U.S. – as the world’s leading economic power. Remarkably, a 43% plurality of Americans also named China; just 38% said the U.S.

The Hill’s pessimistic survey of US domestic opinion encapsulates the sense of malaise and decline running through Barack Obama’s America, nearly three years into his presidency. You won’t necessarily see it in downtown Washington DC, now the richest city in the nation thanks to the relentless rise in federal spending, but it is starkly evident across most of the United States, from the poverty-ravaged suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio to the US foreclosure capital of Las Vegas, Nevada.

The dire state of the economy is at the heart of the public’s disillusionment with the course their country is taking. A recent CNN poll found that 90 per cent of Americans believe the “economy stinks,” and seven in 10 declared that President Obama has not helped the economy in a CBS News survey. With 14 million Americans out of work, millions of families struggling to pay the mortgage, the prospect of a double dip recession on the horizon and the biggest budget deficit since the Second World War, it is not hard to see why fewer than one in five Americans believe the US is heading in the “right track” in the latest RealClear Politics poll of polls.

According to Gallup, Barack Obama’s personal approval rating has now fallen to the lowest point of his presidency, based on his quarterly average job approval ratings. As Gallup notes, “his 41 percent approval average is down six percentage points from his 10th quarter in office, and is nearly four points below his previous low of 45 percent during his seventh quarter.” Placed in historical context, Obama is without doubt one of the most unpopular American presidents in post-war history at this stage of his time in office. In Gallup's view:


Only one elected president since Dwight D. Eisenhower, Jimmy Carter, had a lower 11th quarter average than Obama. Carter averaged 31% during his 11th quarter, which was marked by a poor economy and high energy prices.

… From a broader historical perspective, Obama's 11th-quarter approval average of 41% ranks 220th out of the 262 presidential quarters for which Gallup has data since the Truman administration. That translates to the 16th percentile, placing it in the bottom fifth of presidential quarters. Thus, Obama's recent approval ratings are well below average.

Instead of hope and change, the Obama presidency has delivered decline and despair on a scale not seen in America since the dying days of the Carter administration. Both at home and abroad, the United States is perceived to be a sinking power, and with good reason. The big-spending interventionist economic policies of the current administration have been little short of disastrous, and have saddled the US with its biggest debts since 1945. The liberal experiment of the past few years has knocked the stuffing out of the American economy. Job creation has been barely non-existent, and millions of Americans are now significantly worse off than they were a few years ago. Even The New York Times has acknowledged "soaring poverty" in Obama's America, citing a Census Bureau report showing the number of Americans officially living below the poverty line (46.2 million) at its highest level for more than half a century, since 1959.

Despite the bleak outlook, America can and must rebound later this decade, but it certainly won’t be capable of doing so in the hands of the current president. Levels of public disillusionment with the federal government have never been higher, and almost everything the current White House touches ends in failure. It will require another epic Reagan-style revolution to turn this great nation around and get it off its knees. Fortunately, what China lacks, the United States still has in abundance – the spirit of individual freedom, the love of liberty, a sense of justice and fair play, freedom of speech and worship, and an instinctive desire to act as a powerful force for good on the world stage. America must continue to lead the world, for the alternative is too grim to contemplate. But it can only do so on the foundations of a strong economy with low taxes and limited regulation, free of the shackles of towering debt as well as the deathly hand of big government.
No, I don't believe for one second that the GOP will come riding in on a white horse in 2013 and solve any of these problems. The machinery itself is broken, and the cards are stacked in favor of the house.

The solutions lie outside the current political rubrik.

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:11 pm
by Gob
Changing your electoral system would be a start. Then get rid of the whole president nonsense. Then you may have a chance.

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:21 pm
by Lord Jim
Changing your electoral system would be a start. Then get rid of the whole president nonsense. Then you may have a chance.
Will that be all Strop?

How about we make Cricket our National Pastime, limit all TV series to no more than 12 episodes, and start putting Marmite in our kids' lunch boxes?

:P

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:11 pm
by Gob
Small steps Jim, small steps.

But your ideas are notably sensible.

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:54 pm
by Sean
...except for the ludicrous 12 episode TV series idea. Sitcoms should be 6 episodes per series. An exception to this rule is Modern Family. You can carry on churning that one out. :)

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:08 pm
by Gob
Oh, and the kids only get marmite if they've done something good to deserve it.

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:42 pm
by The Hen
Australia could very well have been in a similar situation to the US if it wasn't for former PM Rudd's Economic Stimulus Package that was rolled out 2 1/2 years ago.

It was thrown into building and infrastructure projects. Lots of bricks and mortar/tar and tarmac things.

All taxpayers received just under $1,000, which we were all encouraged to get it moving back into the economy and not use it to pay off debt.

As a result, we have lots of new buildings and roads completed, many more are still on their way. Our unemployment rate is 5.2% and the national outlook appears to be quite rosy.

I reckon that was the right step to be taken and it was taken at the right time. Obama is fighting an uphill battle trying to fix it so late.

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:58 pm
by dales
Well, since we've pissed away trillions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan, monies to rebuild the rotting infastructure in the USA are in short supply.

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:02 am
by The Hen
That's true.

Even though our military spending is far less, I would prefer it to be smaller too. it would be nice to have more troops stationed back here that could be activated to aid in our frequent natural disasters.

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:21 am
by Gob
AS THE world commemorates the 10-year anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks, Australia's bill for fighting terrorism edges towards $30 billion, and local analysts are questioning whether we are getting value for money.

The $30 billion figure is an estimate, based on expert analysis of Australian spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the rivers of cash poured into police and intelligence agencies, and other security measures since the September 11 attacks on the US.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/terro ... z1c20BF05z
Could have been better spent.

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:58 am
by rubato
Polls tell you what people think but they are often a sad reminder that 'what people think' is far removed from reality.

In reality, the US was the only superpower even before the Soviet Union's collapse was obvious.

But being "the only superpower" is of no worth at all to the average citizen except to their egos, which are themselves illusions.

The citizens of Denmark are better off materially. They live in a better country. Have less crime. Better education. Better health care. Less uncertainty. But no country of that size will ever be a "superpower".

Having greater ability is a greater obligation. Not a greater benefit.

If there is more than one person on this board who understands this, I will be surprised.

yrs,
rubato

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:05 am
by Sean
With great power comes great responsibility...

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:21 am
by rubato
Sean wrote:With great power comes great responsibility...
So you admit that I am right then?

Moron.

yrs,
rubato

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:13 am
by quaddriver
Gob wrote:Changing your electoral system would be a start. Then get rid of the whole president nonsense. Then you may have a chance.
isnt this the part where Gene Hackman punches you in the face and kicks the crap out of you?

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:31 am
by Sean
rubato wrote:
Sean wrote:With great power comes great responsibility...
So you admit that I am right then?

Moron.

yrs,
rubato
LMFAO - I'd google that quote if I were you Daddy Rubato... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:21 am
by loCAtek
Spiderman, then why did you post it Sean?

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:41 am
by BoSoxGal
rubato wrote:Having greater ability is a greater obligation. Not a greater benefit.
'Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.'

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:46 am
by dgs49
Not Really News:

No one is a Country. Each of us has our own life to lead, and there are those who will prosper and live wonderfully while everyone around them is rolling in shit, and vice versa.

America is in decline in many ways, and is thriving in other ways, regardless of what some stupid fucking poll concludes. As in Europe, the "work ethic" and "middle class values" are passe, and more and more people are looking for a government handout, in the vain hope that it will make their life better. Witness the OWS movement. But you could forgive all the student loans in the world, all the losers who are demanding forgiveness will still have shit for lives because they think that their fulfillment depends on getting something from someone else, for no reason other than that they want it.

Government can't generate prosperity; it can only create a climate where people can prosper. It does that by restraining free activity as little as possible, and staying within a rational mandate (as found in the U.S. Constitution, Article I). The greatest failed governments of the 20th century were the ones that thought that an enlightened government could dictate the way people lived. No government is that smart, and the sorts of people who get into government are the LAST people in the world who should be calling the shots (e.g., Joe Biden, Barry O). Most of them have never had a productive job or run a business in their pathetic little lives.

Superpower. Right. A phenomenon fed by megalomania in the U.S., and an unwillingness of other capable countries of assuming their rightful responsibilities. We are the ONLY country in the world that could live entirely with our own resources, if we had the will to do it. But that does not make us a Superpower.

I personally am leaning toward scrapping the U.N., and replacing it with a League of Democracies, using NATO as a starting point.

Re: It's Bleak Out There (if polls are to be believed)

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:50 am
by rubato
Unsurprised.

yrs,
rubato