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The Feces Could Really Hit The Fan Here

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:37 am
by dales
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... n-1.393378



Published 00:39 03.11.11
Latest update 00:39 03.11.11


Haaretz poll: Israelis evenly split over attacking Iran

Haaretz-Dialog poll shows 52 percent of Israelis trust PM Netanyahu and DM Barak's 'on the Iranian issue,' while 37 percent do not, only 11 percent had no opinion.

Israelis are almost evenly split on whether Israel should attack Iran's nuclear facilities, with 41 percent supporting such a strike and 39 percent opposed, a new Haaretz-Dialog poll has found. The remaining 20 percent said they were undecided.

The poll, which queried both Jewish and Arab respondents, also asked whether people trusted Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak "on the Iranian issue." Here the answer was more clear-cut, with 52 percent saying they did, compared to 37 percent who did not. Only 11 percent had no opinion.

The poll follows a spate of media reports in recent days about efforts by Netanyahu and Barak to muster a majority for such a strike in the forum of eight senior ministers. These reports coincided with several major military tests and drills.

Responding to the media reports, Iran's chief of staff said on Wednesday that Israel would regret any attack and be severely punished.

"We would make them regret such a mistake and would severely punish them," Gen. Hassan Firouzabadi told the ISNA new agency.

"In case of an attack by the Zionist regime, the United States would also be hit," he added, without elaborating.

Britain is also stepping up its preparations for a military strike on Iran, The Guardian newspaper reported on Wednesday. According to its report, London is increasingly concerned over Tehran's nuclear program and is preparing to deploy Royal Navy ships in the coming months to assist a possible American strike on Iran.

The paper cited senior British officials as saying they believed Iran had regained the technological capabilities that a cyber-attack damaged last year. Iran said the Stuxnet worm infected personal computers of employees at its Bushehr nuclear plant, but not the plant's main systems. The New York Times reported last January that the worm was a joint Israeli-American effort to undermine Iran's nuclear program.

Former Mossad chief Meir Dagan also discussed the Iranian issue on Wednesday at a business conference in Tel Aviv. Dagan, a vocal opponent of a military strike on Iran, initially declined to do so, saying, "I've already made enough noise about this issue."

But when pressed over the fact that several ministers recently accused him of betraying his trust by speaking out on such a sensitive issue, he retorted, "I'm not the one who started with the Iranian issue. Those who placed this option [on the table] are the prime minister and the defense minister. They said all the options are open, and that they are definitely considering the military option as well."

Dagan also said Israel should be "praying" for Bashar Assad's regime in Syria to fall, since any replacement would be Sunni, and hence likely to be less friendly toward Shi'ite Iran.

Re: The Feces Could Really Hit The Fan Here

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:01 am
by Lord Jim
You know it's funny...

(Not funny "ha ha" but funny coincidental)

That this topic has been introduced here...

I was thinking over the weekend that the one bright spot for Obama's Presidency has been in foreign affairs and national security....(And credit where credit is due...I've never been a big fan of Hillary Clinton's, but I think she deserves some measure of credit for this...)

The polls indicate he gets high marks from the public in those areas...(of course even though he gets credit in those areas, with unemployment stuck at 9% or worse, the public really doesn't rank achievements in those areas all that highly....

But the goodwill that Obama enjoys even in this sphere, would be wiped out in a heart beat if the Iranians explode a nuclear device...

I suspect his people know that, and if we have actionable intel telling us that the Iranian regime is going to do this, we will act militarily to prevent that from happening. (Or we will facilitate others to prevent that from happening)

In that situation, it would be one of those rare occasions where what makes good political sense also happens to be in the best interests of the country.

Re: The Feces Could Really Hit The Fan Here

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:36 pm
by Long Run
I'm with you LJ, in thinking the Administration has done pretty well on foreign policy. But then, Obama has his A team working on it -- Clinton, Panetta, Gates and then the solid military leadership in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has mostly unproven folks working on the economy.

That said, Friedman had a good article pointing out that this administration has done a better job implementing the policy initiatives of the Bush administration than Bush did -- tracking down terrorists, and managing Iraq and Afghanistan. However, on other policy initiatives the results have been uneven at best. The Israel/Palestinian situation has not been handled well. And the situation in Iran is getting worse.

Re: The Feces Could Really Hit The Fan Here

Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:25 pm
by Lord Jim
I think those are all good points, Long Run...

I also wholeheartedly support the "forward leaning" approach that Obama has implemented in waging the WOT...

A strategy that involves small numbers of advisors and intel folks on the ground, backed up by air power and ground support from the locals, (which is what we're doing in Yemen and Somalia) is the best way I know of to avoid having terrorist "states within a state" develop as we saw happen in Afghanistan. The cost and risk of this "ahead of the curve" strategy is a tiny fraction of the cost involved in dealing with the problem when it gets to the level of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, (as we have seen.)


The Bush Administration was so focused on Iraq that they didn't do a whole lot of this sort of thing.

It's kind of like dealing with cancer. The earlier you catch it and treat it the lower the cost and damage. We need to keep a vigilante eye out over the entire globe and when we see a terrorist basing situation developing anywhere, (they usually try to take advantage of countries where the central government is weak in terms of exercising authority over the whole country) we need to be nimble and swift and go at them immediately.

I'm very happy to see that this appears to be the Administration's approach.