National Organization (sort of) for Marriage

[Scooter]

Some pretense that the National Organization for Marriage actually cares about marriage would probably be useful to their cause:

Last night NOM president Brian Brown attacked a Mother Jones reporter and shoved him out of the room as Occupy Wall Street protesters invaded a $1000/plate fundraiser for Newt Gingrich.

As someone who commented on the story said:

So the President of the National Organization for Marriage was at a $1000 a plate fundraiser for a man who has been married three times, divorced twice and left his wife for his mistress both times? Holy crap, seriously?

Was the philosophical harlotry of these folks ever in doubt?

[Andrew D]

That would require asserting that Newt Gingrich cares about anything other than Newt Gingrich.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[Grim Reaper]

Herman Cain has an alleged adultery scandal, ends his campaign.

Newt Gingrich has repeatedly engaged in adultery, yet keeps going strong.

[dgs49]

Sorry, folks, the party that nominated Bill Clinton for President twice doesn't get to play this card.

If Republicans are put off by Newt's marital history, that one thing, but for Libs, forget about it. Your policies have done more to destroy traditional marriage than any institution in the history of the planet.

Newt's actions as an elected official have always been supportive of the nuclear family, and even more recently, he went out on a limb to urge a more compassionate view on "illegals," based on family considerations.

[Scooter]

Sorry, but if people who make their living by trumpeting the sanctity of marriage choose to show their support for adulterers, anyone has the right to label them for the hypocrites they are.

ETA - And I'm so sorry to hear that you believe your marriage has been destroyed. Have you shared those feelings with your wife?

[rubato]

The Republican party is so deeply cynical that it is accepted wisdom that you must, and it is acceptable to, lie about global warming and evolution to get elected.

Only those so stupid that they are unfit to govern anything have not learned that the development of antibiotic resistance is proof of natural selection; only those so deeply corrupt that they should never be allowed to govern would lie about it.

Lying about the facts of science cripples our ability to solve our problems. Only the Republicans think this is acceptable.

If Al Qaeda really wants to destroy our country all they have to do is promote Republicans and they are guaranteed success. They have created the worst economic disaster in 80 years and so far failed to even discuss what they did wrong.

yrs,
rubato

[Grim Reaper]

Sorry, folks, the party that nominated Bill Clinton for President twice doesn't get to play this card.

Translation: Even though Republicans are gigantic hypocrites regarding the sanctity of marriage, the fact that Bill Clinton had an affair nullifies everything.

[Andrew D]

Sorry, folks, the party that nominated Bill Clinton for President twice ....

You are, of course, referring to a man who was a better President than any Republican occupant of the White House in at least the last half-century.

Just thought I'd make that clear ....

[dgs49]

(a) Destroying the institution of marriage (or doing one's best to destroy it) is not the same as destroying any individual marriage.

(b) Bill Clinton was the best Democrat president in my lifetime, and probably going back to Harry Truman. This is true because he was a pragmatist above everything else. Comparisons with Ronaldus Maximus depend on one's view of the appropriate role of the President.

(c) Global warming and evolution? Does this thread have anything to do with either of them?

(d) If adultery were a disqualification for high political office, and everyone in office were given a polygraph on the matter, Washington DC would empty out rather quickly. But there are many people whom I admire (and would vote for) whose personal conduct I find rather disgusting. Just a fact of life.

[Scooter]

You apparently seem to have missed it, but I was not engaging in any criticism of Gingrich's conduct at all. My comments were directed at NOM and its president, who presumably believe in what they are peddling and yet are seen publicly supporting someone whose actions show that he doesn't.

[Crackpot]

how is it destroying collective marriages then?

[Scooter]

Don't you know? Before same-sex marriage:

• no one ever divorced
• no one ever committed adultery
• no one ever beat or killed their spouse
• no married couple had less than six children
• blacks and whites never married each other
• there were no single parents

[dgs49]

Liberal acts that have had a detrimental effect on the institution of marriage:

Paying more to unmarried women on welfare than to two-parent households on welfare - in effect, subsidizing bastardy.

Culturally removing the stigma of bearing children out of wedlock (i.e., the "Murphy Brown" movement).

No-fault divorce.

Redefining marriage to include relationships - statistically insignificant - that have been uniformly condemned for the first 200+ years of the republic. In effect making "marriage" mean, anything anyone wants it to mean.

[Scooter]

And that has harmed your marriage or any marriage how, exactly?

Then what the flying fuck makes you think you have right to stick your fascist nose into anyone else's family structure?

[Grim Reaper]

Paying more to unmarried women on welfare than to two-parent households on welfare - in effect, subsidizing bastardy.

And this makes sense how? Oh, right, because it punishes women for not being able to have a man around to keep them in line.

Culturally removing the stigma of bearing children out of wedlock (i.e., the "Murphy Brown" movement).

Again, anything that unfairly punishes women is OK in dgs49's book.

No-fault divorce.

Apparently it's more important for someone to be punished than for a marriage to dissolve when two people realize they don't love each other anymore.

Redefining marriage to include relationships - statistically insignificant - that have been uniformly condemned for the first 200+ years of the republic. In effect making "marriage" mean, anything anyone wants it to mean.

Your undiluted hatred for people different from you is appalling.

And that has harmed your marriage or any marriage how, exactly?

dgs49 can only be truly happy if other people suffer unnecessarily.

[rubato]

Liberal acts that have had a detrimental effect on the institution of marriage:

Paying more to unmarried women on welfare than to two-parent households on welfare - in effect, subsidizing bastardy.

Culturally removing the stigma of bearing children out of wedlock (i.e., the "Murphy Brown" movement).

No-fault divorce.

Redefining marriage to include relationships - statistically insignificant - that have been uniformly condemned for the first 200+ years of the republic. In effect making "marriage" mean, anything anyone wants it to mean.

Unwed mothers and teen mothers are far more common in conservative states than Liberal ones. This is because Conservative states are most likely to deprive young women of the knowledge which might prevent pregnancy and then insist that they bear all of the punishment for it.

Ignorant, Stupid, Mean and conservative just go together. Don't they?

yrs,
rubato


Rank
(1=high | 51=low) Teen Birth Rate per 1,000
United States 39.1
1. Mississippi 64.2 Conservative
2. New Mexico 63.9 Conservative
3. Texas 60.7 Conservative
4. Oklahoma 60.1 Conservative
5. Arkansas 59.2 Conservative
6. Louisiana 52.7 Conservative
7. Kentucky 51.3 Conservative
8. Alabama 50.7 Conservative
9. Tennessee 50.6 Conservative
9. Arizona 50.6 Conservative
11. West Virginia 49.8 Conservative
12. South Carolina 49.1 Conservative
13. Georgia 47.7 Conservative
13. District of Columbia 47.7 Not a State
15. Nevada 47.4 Conservative
16. Wyoming 45.0 Conservative
17. North Carolina 44.9 Conservative
18. Alaska 44.5 Conservative
19. Kansas 43.8 Conservative
20. Indiana 42.5
21. Missouri 41.6
22. Hawaii 40.9
23. Florida 39.0
24. Ohio 38.9
25. Montana 38.5
25. Colorado 38.5
27. South Dakota 38.4
28. California 36.6
29. Illinois 36.1
30. Idaho 35.9
31. Delaware 35.3
32. Nebraska 34.6
33. Oregon 33.1
34. Michigan 32.7
35. Iowa 32.1
36. Washington 31.9
37. Maryland 31.3
38. Virginia 31.0
39. Utah 30.7
40. Wisconsin 29.4
41. Pennsylvania 29.3
42. North Dakota 27.9
43. Rhode Island 26.8
44. New York 24.4
44. Maine 24.4
46. Minnesota 24.3
47. New Jersey 22.7
48. Connecticut 21.0
49. Massachusetts 19.6
50. Vermont 17.4
51. New Hampshire 16.4
Guam 50.8
Puerto Rico 54.7
Virgin Islands 51.5

[Sean]

This is the bit that got me most of all...

Culturally removing the stigma of bearing children out of wedlock (i.e., the "Murphy Brown" movement).

Amazing! You realise that you come across as an ignorant, backwards fucker when you post shite like that don't you?

[dgs49]

Single parenthood is closely associated with essentially every cultural, social, and criminal ill in our society. Children in single parent homes are more likely to be unprepared for school, to have failing grades, to drop out, and to have serious behavioural issues. They are much less likely to go to or graduate from college. They are more likely to abuse drugs, to be involved in criminal activities, and to go to jail. They are also more likely to have illegitimate children of their own.

If there were any other factor in American life that was so closely and predictably associated with these problems, it would be outlawed in a minute. But we, as a society, have decided that we don't want to stigmatize women who have children without benefit of a husband/father, so in order not to embarrass anyone, we have let loose a plague of illegitimacy that harms the entire nation. Not the best choice, if you ask me.

Consider the words of the Supremes' hit, Love Child: "No child of mine will be wearin' the name of shame I've been bearin': 'Love Child.'"

If it makes me "ignorant" and "backwards" to recognize these facts, then I guess that's what I am.

And for the record, I am a fucker. Every chance I get.

[Guinevere]

[quote="rubato]
Rank
(1=high | 51=low) Teen Birth Rate per 1,000
United States 39.1
1. Mississippi 64.2 Conservative
2. New Mexico 63.9 Conservative
3. Texas 60.7 Conservative
4. Oklahoma 60.1 Conservative
5. Arkansas 59.2 Conservative
6. Louisiana 52.7 Conservative
7. Kentucky 51.3 Conservative
8. Alabama 50.7 Conservative
9. Tennessee 50.6 Conservative
9. Arizona 50.6 Conservative
11. West Virginia 49.8 Conservative
12. South Carolina 49.1 Conservative
13. Georgia 47.7 Conservative
13. District of Columbia 47.7 Not a State
15. Nevada 47.4 Conservative
16. Wyoming 45.0 Conservative
17. North Carolina 44.9 Conservative
18. Alaska 44.5 Conservative
19. Kansas 43.8 Conservative
20. Indiana 42.5
21. Missouri 41.6
22. Hawaii 40.9
23. Florida 39.0
24. Ohio 38.9
25. Montana 38.5
25. Colorado 38.5
27. South Dakota 38.4
28. California 36.6
29. Illinois 36.1
30. Idaho 35.9
31. Delaware 35.3
32. Nebraska 34.6
33. Oregon 33.1
34. Michigan 32.7
35. Iowa 32.1
36. Washington 31.9
37. Maryland 31.3
38. Virginia 31.0
39. Utah 30.7
40. Wisconsin 29.4
41. Pennsylvania 29.3
42. North Dakota 27.9
43. Rhode Island 26.8
44. New York 24.4
44. Maine 24.4
46. Minnesota 24.3
47. New Jersey 22.7
48. Connecticut 21.0
49. Massachusetts 19.6
50. Vermont 17.4
51. New Hampshire 16.4
Guam 50.8
Puerto Rico 54.7
Virgin Islands 51.5[/quote]

God I'm glad I live in New England!!!!

[Scooter]

And considering that Indiana, Missouri, Florida, Ohio and Montana all usually lean conservative as well, that's 24 of the top 25. Yep, let's here it for good old conservative values.