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World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:00 pm
by Gob
“This year’s index sees many changes in the rankings, changes that reflect a year that was incredibly rich in developments, especially in the Arab world,” Reporters Without Borders said today as it released its 10th annual press freedom index.

“Many media paid dearly for their coverage of democratic aspirations or opposition movements. Control of news and information continued to tempt governments and to be a question of survival for totalitarian and repressive regimes. The past year also highlighted the leading role played by netizens in producing and disseminating news.

“Crackdown was the word of the year in 2011. Never has freedom of information been so closely associated with democracy. Never have journalists, through their reporting, vexed the enemies of freedom so much. Never have acts of censorship and physical attacks on journalists seemed so numerous. The equation is simple: the absence or suppression of civil liberties leads necessarily to the suppression of media freedom. Dictatorships fear and ban information, especially when it may undermine them.

“It is no surprise that the same trio of countries, Eritrea, Turkmenistan and North Korea, absolute dictatorships that permit no civil liberties, again occupy the last three places in the index. This year, they are immediately preceded at the bottom by Syria, Iran and China, three countries that seem to have lost contact with reality as they have been sucked into an insane spiral of terror, and by Bahrain and Vietnam, quintessential oppressive regimes. Other countries such as Uganda and Belarus have also become much more repressive.

“This year’s index finds the same group of countries at its head, countries such as Finland, Norway and Netherlands that respect basic freedoms. This serves as a reminder that media independence can only be maintained in strong democracies and that democracy needs media freedom. It is worth noting the entry of Cape Verde and Namibia into the top twenty, two African countries where no attempts to obstruct the media were reported in 2011.”

http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2 ... ,1043.html
UK 28 th. place.

Aus 30 th. place

USA 57 th. place.

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:40 pm
by dales
USA Territories in 57th place.

The USA was in 28th place.

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:56 pm
by Lord Jim
Well, 47th actually, but the rankings are still pure bollocks..

There are countries with "hate speech" press restrictions ranking above the US, countries with Prior Restraint laws ranking better, countries that allow public figures to sue for slander more easily ranking ahead, etc....

In some of the countries ranked better in terms of press freedom than the US, you can go to jail for publishing a pamphlet that says the Holocaust never happened...

A disgusting and idiotic view point, but in the US we don't toss people in the clink for expressing disgusting and idiotic points of view....

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:07 pm
by dales
You're right, Jim.

I was so steamed that I was unable to read the biased data correctly. :oops:

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:12 pm
by Scooter
Lord Jim wrote:in the US we don't toss people in the clink for expressing disgusting and idiotic points of view....
Maybe not, but you sure arrested a lot of journalists merely attempting to report on others expressing what you may consider to be idiotic points of view:
The worldwide wave of protests in 2011 also swept through the New World. It dragged the United States (47th) and Chile (80th) down the index, costing them 27 and 47 places respectively. The crackdown on protest movements and the accompanying excesses took their toll on journalists. In the space of two months in the United States, more than 25 were subjected to arrests and beatings at the hands of police who were quick to issue indictments for inappropriate behaviour, public nuisance or even lack of accreditation

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:57 pm
by Sean
Lord Jim wrote:Well, 47th actually, but the rankings are still pure bollocks..
(My bold)

Sounds like a word you would've learned from the British or Aussie press Jim... ;)

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:13 pm
by Lord Jim
more than 25 were subjected to arrests and beatings at the hands of police who were quick to issue indictments for inappropriate behaviour, public nuisance or even lack of accreditation
I'm sorry Scooter, but there's so much missing there, and what is there sounds so subjectively loaded and hyperbolic, (based on everything I've seen reported,) that I'd want to have a lot more details from independent objective sources before I'd give it much significance.

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:23 pm
by Scooter
If a worldwide organization of reporters is not objective, then who could possibly qualify?

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:42 pm
by Lord Jim
If a worldwide organization of reporters is not objective, then who could possibly qualify?
When it comes to making judgements about how members of their own profession are being treated, I wouldn't consider them the most objective source...

Of the top of my head, reports from passersby who were there at the time of the alleged incidents, would certainly be better.. (but obviously not participants in the demonstrations; clearly they would have an agenda to exaggerate the police response and understate the level of provocation)

Clearly, using phrases like "quick to issue indictments" represents a very subjective viewpoint...That's not reporting; that's editorializing.

As do vague claims about "beatings"....

I don't doubt that some reporters (and now a days, just about anybody with a blog can call themselves a "reporter") were arrested, or shoved around, (probably for failing to heed police instructions to move back from a riot scene or for interfering in their ability to protect public order and safety) but I am not aware of any that have been "indicted" for something and are therefore facing prosecution. (as the piece claims)

If you know of instances where reporters are facing criminal prosecution for something related to the fleabagger protests, I'll be happy to at the report.

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:11 am
by Lord Jim
Sounds like a word you would've learned from the British or Aussie press Jim... ;)
Actually, from watching a lot of British comedy....

Oh wait....

That's pretty much the same thing... :P

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:44 am
by Scooter
Lord Jim wrote:[I don't doubt that some reporters (and now a days, just about anybody with a blog can call themselves a "reporter") were arrested, or shoved around
I realize that you have absolutely no use for the OWS protesters, but regardless of whether they were sages or idiots, the protests were newsworthy events, and the press had a right to be there, and you shouldn't allow your bias to rationalize or minimize their arrests by suggesting they weren't "real" reporters, when, in fact, they were:
Among those arrested were journalists representing the Agence France-Presse, Associated Press, Daily News, DNAInfo, NPR, Television New Zealand, The New York Times, and Vanity Fair
If you know of instances where reporters are facing criminal prosecution for something related to the fleabagger protests, I'll be happy to at the report.
People who are arrested face criminal prosecution, it's not exactly rocket science.

Unless, of course, you are suggesting that there were reporters arrested without charge or on charges which were known to be bogus, which would be far, far worse.
Of the top of my head, reports from passersby who were there at the time of the alleged incidents, would certainly be better.
And who, other than members of the press, would have documented any such reports that had been made? Your condition amounts to refusing to accept any reporting of the incidents in question as objective, because the press would be the ones reporting it.

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:14 am
by Lord Jim
the protests were newsworthy events, and the press had a right to be there,
Oh, and don't I know it; the fleabagger protests have been covered far more extensively and prominently than their "newsworthyness" would indicate was appropriate. Press coverage of this stuff has been vast, and extensive. Reporters aren't being intimidated into not reporting about it; hell they are so sympathetic to it they can scarcely shut up about it...even now when their numbers are a fraction the numbers they initially were (which was nothing to write home about)

A news black out on the ever shrinking escapades of the fleabaggers certainly doesn't appear imminent...
People who are arrested face criminal prosecution, it's not exactly rocket science.
People are arrested at protests that become unruly all the time that don't get prosecuted. (and an arrest isn't an indictment anyway; the biased RWOB report referred to "indictments") In fact it happens far more often then not.

I guess the answer to my question is no, you don't have a source to cite about a reporter in the US arrested at one of these dust ups that has actually been prosecuted.

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:24 am
by Scooter
The bottom line is that there were a bunch of reporters who were arrested during those protests, and thus prevented from doing their jobs, and that constitutes an infringement of press freedom. If you can't see that, because you view the U.S. as some utopia of press freedom where it is absolutely impossble for it ever to be infringed, well then you're free to continue living under that delusion.

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:30 am
by rubato
No European country has a freedom of speech principle embedded in law which is as absolute as that of the US.

Whether this is a good thing or not is debatable. I often think that we ought to make systematic lying such as that seen by all of the current repuglican candidates illegal. And I am sympathetic to the French when they make lying about the Armenian genocide a crime.

yrs,
rubato

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:57 am
by loCAtek
Reporters and objective in the same sentence? As stated;
Lord Jim wrote: subjectively loaded and hyperbolic, (based on everything I've seen reported,)

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:34 pm
by Lord Jim
you view the U.S. as some utopia of press freedom where it is absolutely impossble for it ever to be infringed,
I don't recall saying anything remotely like that...

I did say:
I don't doubt that some reporters (and now a days, just about anybody with a blog can call themselves a "reporter") were arrested, or shoved around
And about this:
more than 25 were subjected to arrests and beatings at the hands of police who were quick to issue indictments for inappropriate behaviour, public nuisance or even lack of accreditation
I did say:
there's so much missing there, and what is there sounds so subjectively loaded and hyperbolic, (based on everything I've seen reported,) that I'd want to have a lot more details from independent objective sources before I'd give it much significance.
And I stand by all of that.

We have nothing to back up the indictments accusations, no specifics in the "more than 25" number, we have no details on these supposed "beatings" and we have no evidence that any journalist was prosecuted for anything.

Pretty weak....

Certainly not enough to justify ranking the US in terms of press freedoms below countries with "hate speech" restrictions, Prior Restraint laws, and far broader slander suit exposure, that apply to every single journalist operating in those countries, every single day of the year.

I repeat; pure bollocks.

Re: World Press fredom index 2011-12

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:43 pm
by dgs49
Reporters who are accosted by the authorities in the U.S. are generally accosted because they are trespassing or causing a nuisance, NOT because of the content of what they are reporting, or of their particular bias. To simply count up the number of arrests is no way to measure the relative freedom of the press.

In how many countries in Europe would it be possible to publish truthful reports about the negative impact that Islam has had on the prevailing European societies, or to publish, let's say, cartoons depicting Muhammad in a humorous manner?

With respect to this report, I think, "Take it with a grain of salt" is apropos.