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MAD at 50

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:18 pm
by Gob
Fifty years ago this week the idea of mutually assured nuclear destruction was outlined in a major speech. But how did this frightening concept of the Cold War fade from people's psyches?

Today the notion of all-out nuclear war is rarely discussed. There are concerns about Iran and North Korea's nuclear programmes and fears that terrorists might get hold of a nuclear bomb.

But the fear of a war in which the aim is to wipe out the entire population of an enemy has startlingly diminished.

In 1962, the concept of mutually assured destruction started to play a major part in the defence policy of the US. President Kennedy's Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, set out in a speech to the American Bar Foundation a theory of flexible nuclear response.

In essence it meant stockpiling a huge nuclear arsenal. In the event of a Soviet attack the US would have enough nuclear firepower to survive a first wave of nuclear strikes and strike back. The response would be so massive that the enemy would suffer "assured destruction".

Thus the true philosophy of nuclear deterrence was established. If the other side knew that initiating a nuclear strike would also inevitably lead to their own destruction, they would be irrational to press the button.

In the past, wars had been fought by defeating your opponent on the battlefield by superior use of force. But MAD was a radical departure that trumped the conventional view of war.

The age of MAD heralded a new fear, with citizens knowing that they could be annihilated within a matter of minutes at the touch of a button several thousands of miles away.

"The central thing was the public had no control," says Dr Christopher Laucht, a lecturer in British history at Leeds University. "You were at the mercy of political decision makers. Apart from the fear that one side would do something stupid, there was also the fear of technology and the question of 'what if an accident happened'."

Eight months after McNamara's speech the notion of MAD was almost put to the test by the Cuban Missile Crisis. In the end both superpowers gave ground and the problem was averted but mankind had never come so close to doomsday.

Following a period of Cold War detente in the 1970s, tension rose again in the 1980s. By this point the Soviet Union had many more warheads, and it was commonly said that there were enough nuclear arms on Earth to wipe the planet out several times.

The fear of impending attack became a part of everyday conversation. Children speculated in the playground about the first signs of a nuclear attack - hair and fingernails falling out - and whether one could survive a nuclear winter.

In 1983 there were a number of Russian false alarms. The Soviet Union's early warning system mistakenly picked up a US missile coming into USSR airspace. In the same year, Nato's military planning operation Able Archer led some Russian commanders to conclude that a Nato nuclear launch was imminent.

A string of films and TV series in the 1980s - from WarGames, Threads, and When the Wind Blows - reflected these fears.

Sometimes the black humour emanated from unlikely places. In 1984 President Ronald Reagan famously said in a radio soundcheck: "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

The authorities tried to offer reassurance. In the UK a famous public information campaign Protect and Survive gave people advice on how to build a nuclear shelter. It was later satirised by When the Wind Blows, which portrayed an elderly couple building their shelter and perishing in the nuclear aftermath.

Two decades after the Cold War ended, there are still more than 17,000 nuclear warheads around the world, the majority still pointing back and forth between the US and Russia. But MAD as a public fear has disappeared.

"In the Cold War there was a small risk of utter nuclear catastrophe," says Paul Rogers, professor of peace studies at Bradford University.

Today the risk is not so much armageddon but a "slippery slope" of proliferation, he says. North Korea is thought to have around 10 warheads, Rogers notes, while Iran is thought to be close to a nuclear bomb.

Some have speculated Saudi Arabia could follow if Iran succeeds and it's been suggested that Israel already has more than 100 warheads.

The most serious stand-off today is not the US and Russia but the prospect of a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan in which "tens of millions would die", Rogers suggests. And the danger in any of these regional disputes is that the US and Russia get sucked in and what began as a war between two neighbours goes global.

"The fear of nuclear war has diminished partly because the risk has receded significantly with the end of the Cold War," says Nick Bostrum, director of Oxford University's Future of Humanity Institute. "But another factor might be simple changes in risk fashion - it becoming more popular recently to worry about global warming, for example."

More immediate worries are terrorist attack, pandemic disease, and economic meltdown.

Robert Harris in his recent novel The Fear Index examined the modern anxiety that fuses the threat of powerful technology with unbridled financial markets.

The main character, who runs a hedge fund, remarks: "Fear is driving the world as never before... The rise in market volatility, in our opinion, is a function of digitalisation, which is exaggerating human mood swings by the unprecedented dissemination of information via the internet."

These are modern fears that John F Kennedy and Nikita Khrushchev, leading the superpowers at the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, would struggle to comprehend.

But the end of the Cold War hasn't removed the nuclear warheads. Relations between Russia and the West have deteriorated in recent years. China, whose nuclear programme is little understood in the West, is doubling its military spending. India and Pakistan remains a potential flashpoint. So why don't people fear nuclear war as they used to?

For many analysts the world is now a less stable place than it was during the Cold War. And all the major geopolitical confrontations still revolve around nuclear weapons, says Dr Nick Ritchie, lecturer in international security at the University of York.

"At least several hundred American and Russian nuclear missiles remain on 'hard alert' capable of being launched within minutes. Even if that isn't necessarily the policy or intent, the systems and practices remain in place."

The ghost of MAD remains even if people would rather not think about it.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17026538

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:23 pm
by Scooter
I thought this was going to be about the magazine...

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:28 pm
by Lord Jim
I did too....

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:57 pm
by Gob
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's top military leader says discussions about sharp new cuts in the U.S. nuclear force are preliminary and maintaining the status quo is still an option.

Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, in testimony before the House Armed Services Committee, was pressed Wednesday about The Associated Press report that the administration is weighing a reduction of up to 80 percent in the number of deployed weapons.

Dempsey declined to comment on that figure. He said talks are ongoing in anticipation of negotiations with Russia.

The AP reported that the administration is considering at least three options for lower numbers. The potential cuts would be from the current treaty limit of 1,550 deployed strategic warheads.

Republican Rep. Mac Thornberry of Texas complained that any cuts would encourage U.S. enemies and discourage allies.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... TE=DEFAULT

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:32 pm
by loCAtek
Time to invest in Bunker futures!

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:49 pm
by Lord Jim
The Associated Press report that the administration is weighing a reduction of up to 80 percent in the number of deployed weapons.
If there's any truth to that, I hope it refers to a goal they'd like to negociate with the Russians, and NOT some sort of unilateral decision...

Making unilateral concessions to the Soviets and their Russian successors has never once, not a single time, ever resulted in any sort of response in kind; only further demands...

An 80% reduction in US nuclear weapons without a similar reduction by the Russians will do absolutely nothing to enhance global or national security; in fact it could embolden the Russians to engage in further adventurism, making the world less safe.

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:11 pm
by liberty
Lord Jim wrote:
The Associated Press report that the administration is weighing a reduction of up to 80 percent in the number of deployed weapons.
.
To even consider that is crazy to the point of treason.

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:22 pm
by Scooter
Yeah, imagine thinking the human race is worth saving from nuclear annihilation.

Oh, wait...

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:24 pm
by Gob
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Obama administration's consideration of severe cuts in nuclear weapons generated a flurry of GOP criticism - "reckless lunacy" in the words of Arizona Rep. Trent Franks. But the historical record shows that in the two decades since the Cold War ended, Republicans have been the boldest cutters of the nuclear arsenal.

"Republican presidents seem to have a thing for 50 percent nuclear reductions," says Hans Kristensen, a nuclear arms specialist with the Federation of American Scientists, a think tank founded by many of the scientists who built the first atomic bombs.

For example, on President George H.W. Bush's watch, the number of deployed weapons as well as those held in reserve was nearly cut in half, from 22,217 to 13,708 warheads, according to official U.S. government figures. The number of deployed strategic warheads dropped from 12,300 to 7,114 in that same period, by Kristensen's calculations.

As part of that move, taken as fears of a nuclear Armageddon at the Cold War's end were diminishing, the Republican president announced in September 1991 that he unilaterally was retiring all ground-based U.S. nuclear weapons in Europe and South Korea and removing all nuclear weapons from U.S. naval surface ships.

Submarines remain armed with nuclear missiles as part of a "triad" of land-, air- and sea-based weapons that is the enduring core of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.

President George W. Bush went further, cutting the total stockpile by 50 percent, from 10,526 to 5,273 warheads. By Kristensen's count, the number of deployed warheads fell to 1,968 by the time Bush left office in January 2009.

In his two terms, Democratic President Bill Clinton trimmed just a little more than 2,000 warheads from the stockpile.

http://www.statejournal.com/story/16965 ... s-been-gop

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:19 pm
by liberty
Scooter wrote:Yeah, imagine thinking the human race is worth saving from nuclear annihilation.

Oh, wait...
There are things worse than death, but I think you lack the life experiences to appreciate that opinion. Hell, you might even like slavery.

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:23 pm
by Scooter
liberty wrote:There are things worse than death, but I think you lack the life experiences to appreciate that opinion.
You mean like living in Louisiana?

If ever there was a fate worse than death...

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:56 pm
by liberty
Gob wrote:
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Obama administration's consideration of severe cuts in nuclear weapons generated a flurry of GOP criticism - "reckless lunacy" in the words of Arizona Rep. Trent Franks. But the historical record shows that in the two decades since the Cold War ended, Republicans have been the boldest cutters of the nuclear arsenal.

"Republican presidents seem to have a thing for 50 percent nuclear reductions," says Hans Kristensen, a nuclear arms specialist with the Federation of American Scientists, a think tank founded by many of the scientists who built the first atomic bombs.

For example, on President George H.W. Bush's watch, the number of deployed weapons as well as those held in reserve was nearly cut in half, from 22,217 to 13,708 warheads, according to official U.S. government figures. The number of deployed strategic warheads dropped from 12,300 to 7,114 in that same period, by Kristensen's calculations.

As part of that move, taken as fears of a nuclear Armageddon at the Cold War's end were diminishing, the Republican president announced in September 1991 that he unilaterally was retiring all ground-based U.S. nuclear weapons in Europe and South Korea and removing all nuclear weapons from U.S. naval surface ships.

Submarines remain armed with nuclear missiles as part of a "triad" of land-, air- and sea-based weapons that is the enduring core of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.

President George W. Bush went further, cutting the total stockpile by 50 percent, from 10,526 to 5,273 warheads. By Kristensen's count, the number of deployed warheads fell to 1,968 by the time Bush left office in January 2009.

In his two terms, Democratic President Bill Clinton trimmed just a little more than 2,000 warheads from the stockpile.

http://www.statejournal.com/story/16965 ... s-been-gop
Gob, all that really means is the moderate Republicans try too hard to prove that they are not Genghis Khan. When stock piles were much higher the reductions were not as much of a concern, but now nuke stock piles are reaching a point where one has to wonder if we would have enough to discourage a future aggressive china from eyeing Alaska as Chinese. Without nukes there is no way to deal with China.

Iran on the other hand is another situation. Other than surrender how do you deal with the crazy?

Face it guys nukes are not going away; somebody is going to have them.

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:03 pm
by Gob
Bush was not a "moderate republican", he was a certifiable moron war monger.

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:50 am
by Grim Reaper
The bombs used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 12-15 and 20-22 kiloton bombs respectively. The bombs we currently are capable of using are up to 1.2 megaton bombs.

The only people who would attempt nuclear war upon us would be those who don't care how many bombs we have.

Re: MAD at 50

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:51 am
by liberty
Grim Reaper wrote:The bombs used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were 12-15 and 20-22 kiloton bombs respectively. The bombs we currently are capable of using are up to 1.2 megaton bombs.

The only people who would attempt nuclear war upon us would be those who don't care how many bombs we have.
Absolutely correct, fortunately history has demonstrated that the Chinese don’t think that way; like good communist they want to live. However, the Iranian leadership is a different story. They have nothing to lose in nuclear war; they can seamlessly move into paradise. Some people think that they are hypocrites and fear death like everyone else; I think that is wishful thinking. During the Iran /Iraq war they used thousands of preteen boys as human mine sweeper armed with only a pocket knife and a plastic key to paradise. They sent children out to step on mines with a promise of paradise. And they felt no guilt because they rewarded the boys with a much better life in paradise. I don’t think they are faking; I think they are for real.