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Gary Wills, a rare intelligent conservative, explains it..

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:30 am
by rubato
Gary Wills, a rare intelligent conservative, explains it... all for you:

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Contraception’s Con Men
Garry Wills

By a revolting combination of con men and fanatics, the current primary race has become a demonstration that the Republican party does not deserve serious consideration for public office. Take the controversy over contraceptives. American bishops at first opposed having hospitals and schools connected with them pay employee health costs for contraceptives. But when the President backed off from that requirement, saying insurance companies can pay the costs, the bishops doubled down and said no one should have to pay for anything so evil as contraception. Some Republicans are using the bishops’ stupidity to hurt the supposed “moderate” candidate Mitt Romney, giving a temporary leg up to the faux naïf Rick Santorum; others are attacking Barack Obama as an “enemy of religion.”

Pusillanimous Catholics—Mark Shields and even, to a degree, the admirable E. J. Dionne—are saying that Catholics understandably resent an attack on “their” doctrine (even though they do not personally believe in it). Omnidirectional bad-faith arguments have clustered around what is falsely presented as a defense of “faith.” The layers of ignorance are equaled only by the willingness of people “of all faiths” to use them for their own purposes. Consider just some of the layers:

The Phony Religious Freedom Argument

The bishops’ opposition to contraception is not an argument for a “conscience exemption.” It is a way of imposing Catholic requirements on non-Catholics. This is religious dictatorship, not religious freedom.

Contraception is not even a religious matter. Nowhere in Scripture or the Creed is it forbidden. Catholic authorities themselves say it is a matter of “natural law,” over which natural reason is the arbiter—and natural reason, even for Catholics, has long rejected the idea that contraception is evil. More of that later; what matters here is that contraception is legal, ordinary, and accepted even by most Catholics. To say that others must accept what Catholics themselves do not is bad enough. To say that President Obama is “trying to destroy the Catholic Church” if he does not accept it is much, much worse.

To disagree with Catholic bishops is called “disrespectful,” an offense against religious freedom. That is why there is a kind of taboo against bringing up Romney’s Mormonism. But if Romney sincerely believed in polygamy on religious grounds, as his grandfather did, he would not even be considered for the presidency—any more than a sincere Christian Scientist, who rejects the use of medicine, would be voted for to handle public health care. Yet a man who believes that contraception is evil is an aberrant from the American norm, like the polygamist or the faith healer.

The Phony Contraception Argument

The opposition to contraception has, as I said, no scriptural basis. Pope Pius XI once said that it did, citing in his encyclical Casti Connubii (1930) the condemnation of Onan for “spilling his seed” rather than impregnating a woman (Genesis 38.9). But later popes had to back off from this claim, since everyone agrees now that Onan’s sin was not carrying out his duty to give his brother an heir (Deuteronomy 25.5-6). Then the “natural law” was fallen back on, saying that the natural purpose of sex is procreation, and any use of it for other purposes is “unnatural.” But a primary natural purpose does not of necessity exclude ancillary advantages. The purpose of eating is to sustain life, but that does not make all eating that is not necessary to subsistence “unnatural.” One can eat, beyond the bare minimum to exist, to express fellowship, as one can have sex, beyond the begetting of a child with each act, to express love.

The Roman authorities would not have fallen for such a silly argument but for a deep historical disrelish for sex itself. Early Fathers and medieval theologians considered sex unworthy when not actually sinful. That is why virgin saints and celibate priests were prized above married couples. Thomas Aquinas said that priests must not be married, since “those in holy orders handle the sacred vessels and the sacrament itself, and therefore it is proper (decens) that they preserve, by abstinences, a body undefiled (munditia corporalis) (Summa Theologiae, Part 3 Supplement, Question 53, article 3, Response). Marriage, you see, makes for defilement (immunditia). The ban on contraception is a hangover from the period when the body itself was considered unclean, as Peter Brown overwhelmingly proved in The Body and Society (1988).

The Phony “Church Teaches” Argument

Catholics who do not accept the phony argument over contraception are said to be “going against the teachings of their church.” That is nonsense. They are their church. The Second Vatican Council defines the church as “the people of God.” Thinking that the pope is the church is a relic of the days when a monarch was said to be his realm. The king was “Denmark.” Catholics have long realized that their own grasp of certain things, especially sex, has a validity that is lost on the celibate male hierarchy. This is particularly true where celibacy is concerned.

There was broad disagreement with Pius XI’s 1930 encyclical on the matter. Pope Paul VI set up a study group of loyal and devout Catholics, lay and clerical, to make recommendations. The group overwhelmingly voted to change the teaching of Pius XI. But cardinals in the Roman Curia convinced Paul that any change would suggest that the church’s teachings are not eternal (though Casti Connubii had not been declared infallible, by the papacy’s own standards).

When Paul reaffirmed the ban on birth control in Humanae Vitae (1968) there was massive rejection of it. Some left the church. Some just ignored it. Paradoxically, the document formed to convey the idea that papal teaching is inerrant just convinced most people that it can be loony. The priest-sociologist Andrew Greeley said that Humanae Vitae did more damage to the papacy than any of the so-called “liberal” movements in Catholicism. When Pius IX condemned democracy and modern science in his Syllabus of Errors (1864), the Catholic historian Lord Acton said that Catholics were too sensible to go crazy every time a pope does. The reaction to Humanae Vitae proves that.

The Phony “Undying Principle” Argument

Rick Santorum is a nice smiley fanatic. He does not believe in evolution or global warming or women in the workplace. He equates gay sex with bestiality (Rick “Man on Dog” Santorum). He equates contraception with the guillotine. Only a brain-dead party could think him a worthy presidential candidate. Yet he is praised by television pundits, night and day, for being “sincere” and “standing by what he believes.” He is the principled alternative to the evil Moderation of Mitt Romney and the evil Evil of Newt Gingrich. He is presented as a model Catholic. Torquemada was, in that sense, a model Catholic. Messrs. Boehner and McConnell call him a martyr to religious freedom. A young priest I saw on television, modeling himself on his hero Santorum, said, “I would rather die than give up my church’s principles.” What we are seeing is not a defense of undying principle but a stampede toward a temporarily exploitable lunacy. Acton to the rescue!

February 15, 2012, 11:15 a.m.

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:42 pm
by dgs49
Look at the last paragraph. It is a capsule summary of most of the intentional distortions that are used against Santorum. The whole article is an intentional misrepresentation of the Santorum and Republican positions. Neither Santorum, the Republican Party, or the Catholic Fucking Church have suggested that BC pills be outlawed in any way. Yet that is the impression that articles such as this are intended to give.

The Republican and Santorum positions are not difficult to understand, so one must assume that the writers are doing this intentionally.

For the record:

The current flap has two major points: (a) The White House's "change" in position is substantively no change at all, and (b) birth control pills are not an appropriate reimbursable expense for health insurance.

Health insurance - and especially compulsory health insurance - should cover only extraordinary conditions such as serious, health-threatening diseases, injuries, trips to the emergency room, and things of that nature. BC pills are a routine, every-day, modest expense. Mandating that insurance companies pay for BC pills is like expecting your auto insurance company to pay for oil changes or replacing the antifreeze in your car. It is a routine, expected cost of living (owning a car).

For the Federal Fucking Government to mandate that insurance pay for BC and "morning after" pills is a huge intrusion into the personal affairs of citizens. Every insurance rate payer is thus forced to pay for other insured's personal expenses that have no business being reimbursed by insurance.

This ain't a Catholic issue, it is an issue of Government getting into matters that are none of its fucking business. Read the God-damned Constitution for once.

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:54 pm
by Sue U
dgs49 wrote:Health insurance - and especially compulsory health insurance - should cover only extraordinary conditions such as serious, health-threatening diseases, injuries, trips to the emergency room, and things of that nature. BC pills are a routine, every-day, modest expense. Mandating that insurance companies pay for BC pills is like expecting your auto insurance company to pay for oil changes or replacing the antifreeze in your car. It is a routine, expected cost of living (owning a car).
Hard to tell, as there is a lot of competition, but this may be the single most stupid thing you have ever written.

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:26 pm
by Grim Reaper
dgs49 wrote:Look at the last paragraph. It is a capsule summary of most of the intentional distortions that are used against Santorum. The whole article is an intentional misrepresentation of the Santorum and Republican positions. Neither Santorum, the Republican Party, or the Catholic Fucking Church have suggested that BC pills be outlawed in any way. Yet that is the impression that articles such as this are intended to give.
He wants to put DADT back into effect because he doesn't like gays, what makes you think he'll leave birth control alone?
dgs49 wrote:For the Federal Fucking Government to mandate that insurance pay for BC and "morning after" pills is a huge intrusion into the personal affairs of citizens. Every insurance rate payer is thus forced to pay for other insured's personal expenses that have no business being reimbursed by insurance.
Telling insurance companies to pay for birth control is in no possible way an intrusion into personal affairs of anybody. It's like saying that forcing businesses to have handicapped access is a personal intrusion into the personal affairs of citizens. It's an utterly moronic argument.

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:38 pm
by Rick
It would seem to me taking the passive aggressive mode to the BC issue (for those that are against it) would provide better results.

By that I mean go ahead waste everyone’s time by going through the routine of instruction accepting the pills then simply throw them in the trash.

Get pregnant anyway, then raise sand when there’s not enough money to cover all the “unexpected” pregnancies. Those that budget always fail to realize that no matter how much money they pour into certain programs they don’t work because those that are involved just go through the motions.

Re: Gary Wills, a rare intelligent conservative, explains i

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:40 pm
by dgs49
How many women do you suppose become pregnant because they cannot afford birth control pills?

Zero.

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:48 pm
by Crackpot
evidence to back up this assertion?

Zero.

Do you ever get tired of being so wrong on just about everything?

Re: Gary Wills, a rare intelligent conservative, explains i

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:03 pm
by Joe Guy
dgs49 wrote:How many women do you suppose become pregnant because they cannot afford birth control pills?

Zero.
dgs49 is correct. No one has ever gotten pregnant based solely on their lack of income. The sex act is a requirement, whether or not one can afford birth control.

:loon

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:09 pm
by Rick
dgs49 wrote:How many women do you suppose become pregnant because they cannot afford birth control pills?

Zero.
I'm with CP on this.

What?

ETA:

What I was trying to get at Dave is that most systems have a percentage of error/loss/give it a name built in.

I figger insurance even public would be the same, just for arguements sake let's say they estimate 5% of all folks that are given "the pill" still get pregnant (for whatever reason).

Now say all catholic women go in and get the pill but everyone one of them tosses them in the trash. The 5% error rate would not change however the actual figger would then be skewed. Now the insurance companies have budgeted so much for the pill acounted for so many errant pregnancies yet the prgnancy rate is far greater than they budgeted for.

Now if that's not how it works then my idea is bunk however if it works that way or similar (everything has budget) somebody somewhere is gonna have to do alot of scurrying.

I think then the message would be very clear, in my lifetime I have noticed one can talk till they are blue in the face, but as soon as you hit that pocket book...

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:23 pm
by Grim Reaper
It isn't just about being able to afford the pills, but also having access to them and the stigma attached to acquiring the pills.

But dgs49 doesn't like considering multiple possibilities. He'd rather let people suffer than to admit that his views are outdated and wrong.

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:17 pm
by Gob
Dear god, the country with this "separation of Church and state" is the one with the most religious interference in public life. Why do you not have free contraception for all, and let those who object, on religious or whatever grounds, just opt out?

Re: Gary Wills, a rare intelligent conservative, explains i

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:20 pm
by Crackpot
we'd need national health care for that one

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:23 pm
by Gob
Now you're talking!

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:49 pm
by Long Run
That was a heavily slanted editorial and used the most recent bumble by Obama (picking a fight with the RC Church) over a minor issue. Mostly, it appears to be an attack on the church's positions. I don't agree with most of the church's positions in this area, but I don't doubt their right to espouse those beliefs.

I agree with dgs on the point that health insurance, especially mandated insurance, ought to be for major medical expenditures, not low-cost and every day things such as contraception or aspirin to deal with the risk of heart attacks.

It seemed to me that this issue was misunderstood by many. The church's problem with the mandate was that the church, as an employer, was being told it had to offer in its health plan, contraceptive coverage to its employees. Can people not see that as a fundamental attack on the church's religious principles? Similarly, can't people see that requiring the church to provide health care at its hospitals that is opposite of the church's teaching is similarly an attack? Seems obvious to me, and even liberal commentators like E. J. Dionne were scratching their heads why Obama would pick a fight like this, especially in an election year.

Adding contraceptives to the small list of mandated items to be covered is illogical in itself. Let's look at some things that are not mandated to be covered. Coverage for an employee's spouse and children don't have to be offered by an employer. A plan can exclude coverage for any number of things, such as mental health, cancer, heart conditions or whatever. An employer does not have to offer coverage for prescription medicines. (Under PPACA, if an employer does provide coverage for an item, it cannot place annual or lifetime limits on benefits for essential health benefits.) So, if items as necessary as care for mental health, cancer and heart conditions are not mandated to be covered, why would low-cost, everyday items like contraceptives be included?

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:04 pm
by Grim Reaper
Long Run wrote:I agree with dgs on the point that health insurance, especially mandated insurance, ought to be for major medical expenditures, not low-cost and every day things such as contraception or aspirin to deal with the risk of heart attacks.
Contraceptives prevent a major medical expenditure.
Long Run wrote:It seemed to me that this issue was misunderstood by many. The church's problem with the mandate was that the church, as an employer, was being told it had to offer in its health plan, contraceptive coverage to its employees. Can people not see that as a fundamental attack on the church's religious principles? Similarly, can't people see that requiring the church to provide health care at its hospitals that is opposite of the church's teaching is similarly an attack? Seems obvious to me, and even liberal commentators like E. J. Dionne were scratching their heads why Obama would pick a fight like this, especially in an election year.
Not everyone employed by the Catholic Church is a Catholic and not everyone who uses a Catholic hospital is a Catholic. Why should people who aren't Catholic have those Catholic religious views forced upon them?

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:11 pm
by Long Run
People should not have the church's views forced upon them, but the exact opposite is what is occurring. If an employee of the church wants contraceptive services, they are free to use their money to buy contraception; the church ought not to have to pay for it. If they are a person looking for contraception, they should go to a medical provider that offers contraceptive services; the church ought not to be forced to provide it. The church isn't forcing its views on anyone, they are simply saying that they should not have to provide medical services they do not agree with.

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:13 pm
by Scooter
Long Run wrote:The church's problem with the mandate was that the church, as an employer, was being told it had to offer in its health plan, contraceptive coverage to its employees. Can people not see that as a fundamental attack on the church's religious principles?
No more than it would be to tell the World Church of the Creator that they cannot refuse to hire someone on the basis of race. No one would be defending the latter if they claimed an exemption to federal law on the basis of their religious beliefs. But somehow, because it's the RC Church, and it's birth control, which allows women to become sluts rather than the asexual virgins they are meant to be...
Similarly, can't people see that requiring the church to provide health care at its hospitals that is opposite of the church's teaching is similarly an attack?
No more than if the World Church of the Creator wanted to run hospitals (and take public funds in doing so) and refuse treatment to blacks and Jews.
I agree with dgs on the point that health insurance, especially mandated insurance, ought to be for major medical expenditures, not low-cost and every day things such as contraception or aspirin to deal with the risk of heart attacks.
How many $2 bottles of aspirin can be purchased with the money saved by preventing one heart attack? Preventive medicine makes sense because it saves money, above any beyond quaint notions like keeping people healthy

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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:16 pm
by Scooter
Long Run wrote:The church isn't forcing its views on anyone, they are simply saying that they should not have to provide medical services they do not agree with.
And when the World Church of the Creator turns away any non-white person showing up at the doors of its hospitals bleeding to death, I'm sure your defense of them will be just as sincere and impassioned.

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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:56 am
by Grim Reaper
Here's another fun little fact: Birth control isn't just for contraceptive use. It's also a medication for women who have severe issues with their menstrual cycle.

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Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:17 pm
by Econoline
This whole brouhaha strikes me as an excellent argument against our wierd American system of employer-based health insurance, and (yet another) excellent argument in favor of a single-payer health insurance system.