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I Think There's More To This Than We Know

Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:46 pm
by Lord Jim
BEIJING -- Chen Guangcheng, a blind lawyer who is also one of China’s best-known human-rights activists, has escaped after spending one-and-a-half years under house arrest.

Reuters reported that Chen, who campaigned against forced abortions, had been restricted to his village home in Linyi in eastern Shandong province since September 2010 when he was released from jail.

Groups of local thugs watched him 24 hours a day and stopped anyone who tried to visit him, sometimes using violence, including scuffling with Hollywood actor Christian Bale.

He Peirong, an activist and longtime friend of Chen, said on Twitter that the lawyer fled on April 22.

Chen once tried to dig a tunnel in a bid to break out. However, his plan was discovered and the guards, allegedly appointed by the local government, paved cement over the ground outside his home to prevent any further attempts to flee.



He Peirong told Britain's Times newspaper that Chen had planned the escape for months. She said Chen climbed over a wall while a guard wasn’t paying attention,[and a blind guy would know when the guard wasn't paying attention...how?] crossed a river, and then managed to meet a friend who picked him up and drove him to Beijing.

'100 percent safe'
Reuters cited Bob Fu, president of the Texas-based religious and political rights advocacy group ChinaAid, as saying that Chen was in Beijing and "100 percent safe."

Chen’s whereabouts remained unknown on Friday. Rumors swirled that he may be hiding inside the U.S. Embassy in Beijing, but officials said "no comment" when approached by media.
http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_new ... =worldnews

It has since been confirmed that Chen is in fact at the US Embassy.

Okay, I'm just not buying this....

I don't believe it is possible in the PRC for a high profile dissident to "slip past" the security guards enforcing his house arrest, get picked up by a car, travel 300 miles, and then just walk right in to the US Embassy, unless the government has decided to let it happen.

I think the odds are very good that they saw this as a good way to get a thorn in their side out of the country, and I also think that our government was most likely made aware of it . (It's also possible that a deal was cut between the US and China to allow this to go down, in exchange for some consideration for the PRC that we don't know about.)

The evidence that there's more going on here than there appears to be from the surface story (aside from the story's implausibility) lies with the incredibly low key way both governments have dealt with this. (It's highly unusual for the Chinese in particular to be so sanguine when something like this happens....)

And now we have this:
China says Chen Guangcheng may apply to study in U.S.

BEIJING - China said on Friday that blind dissident Chen Guangcheng could apply to study abroad, a move praised by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and suggesting an end may be near to a diplomatic standoff between Beijing and Washington.

But rights activists sounded a note of caution, saying Beijing could move slowly on granting Chen permisson to leave out of fear that appearing soft might embolden other challengers to Communist Party rule before a power handover late this year.

An announcement by the Chinese Foreign Ministry followed a dramatic and very public appeal by Chen, who spoke by phone to a U.S. congressional hearing on his case and asked to be allowed to spend time in the United States after fleeing 19 months of extra-judicial captivity in his home village.

"If he wants to study abroad, he can apply through normal channels to the relevant departments in accordance with the law, just like any other Chinese citizen," ministry spokesman Liu Weimin said in a brief statement, adding that Chen was still being treated in hospital.

Read more: http://www.windsorstar.com/news/China+s ... z1u0BjBOE4
Again, this is just not the way the regime in Beijing would normally respond in a situation like this. They'd be loudly and publicly demanding that Chen be turned over to Chinese authorities, and howling about how by harboring this "criminal" the US was "interfering in China's internal affairs"...They'd probably be having staged demonstrations outside the Embassy , and harassing people coming and going from the compound.

Unless they were somehow involved.....

Re: I Think There's More To This Than We Know

Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 2:27 pm
by Crackpot
you haven't been following the story have you?

Re: I Think There's More To This Than We Know

Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:12 pm
by Lord Jim
I'm not getting your point.

Have you read something that makes the blind guy climbed over a wall, slipped past a team of security guards, swam across a river, got picked up and driven 300 miles to Beijing and made it into the US Embassy compound all without the knowledge of the Chinese authorities story sound remotely possible?

Or have they admitted that they knew what he was doing and didn't intervene?

Re: I Think There's More To This Than We Know

Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:21 pm
by Joe Guy
I think Crackpot was just being Crackpot (sarcastic) because you know so much about the story.

Re: I Think There's More To This Than We Know

Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:44 pm
by Andrew D
A more complete and up-to-date account:
Chen Guangcheng, the blind Chinese legal activist, arrived smiling at Chaoyang Hospital, a sprawling redbrick complex, on Wednesday afternoon. It was supposed to be a triumphant resolution to the diplomatic crisis that started six days earlier when Mr. Chen sought protection in the U.S. embassy, a precursor to a new life studying law in China.

U.S. Ambassador Gary Locke stayed for 90 minutes and met with Mr. Chen's wife and children, who had sped to Beijing on a high-speed train.

Then, as darkness fell, a growing number of police arrived at the ninth-floor corridor. They took video of visiting journalists before jostling them into elevators. At 6:30 p.m., hospital staff asked the remaining U.S. officials to leave. They said visiting hours were over.

Suddenly, the people who had protected Mr. Chen were gone.

That development helped send the activist into a panic, precipitating a crisis that derailed the agreement, prompted days of confusion and recrimination, and cast a pall over U.S.-Chinese relations.

Around 9 p.m., Mr. Chen told a friend by phone the hospital had given the family nothing to eat. Others phoned and one friend urged him to reject the deal. Mr. Chen told callers he had been coerced to leave the embassy and was worried for his family's safety. He tried calling two embassy officials around 10 p.m. Neither answered.

The Chen saga, based on interviews with government officials, activists and others in the negotiations, began with the promise that American relations with China had entered a new, mature phase. It ended demonstrating how much distance and suspicion remain between the two powers.

Friday, both sides appeared close to a fresh deal that would bring Mr. Chen and his family to the U.S., probably to study law at New York University. With final details not yet signed, U.S. officials said they were confident the deal would work out. Some analysts saw the quick agreement as a sign the bilateral relationship was resilient. The damage, however, especially from that Wednesday night at the hospital, had already been done.

U.S. officials, in their rush to complete negotiations Wednesday before a separate set of high-level U.S.-China talks was set to begin, appeared to have misjudged Mr. Chen's fragile emotional condition.

The self-taught activist had spent four years in jail—on trumped-up charges, critics say—and 19 more months in home detention, where he says he endured periodic beatings, before his dramatic dash to the embassy.

The days were filled with missed calls and dropped connections that might have changed the trajectory of events.

It's also possible the U.S., in negotiating with China's foreign ministry, overlooked the country's competing power centers jockeying for position. The foreign ministry has traditionally carried little clout in the Chinese power structure, and analysts say the fate of Mr. Chen was almost certainly decided by top Communist Party leaders. Mr. Chen seemed worried mostly about his fate at the hands of China's security services and provincial officials.

U.S. officials, for their part, felt Mr. Chen turned on them after hours of negotiations, one calling him "self absorbed." Mr. Locke, the U.S. ambassador, complained about the activist's change of heart, according to a senior administration official who spoke with him. Mr. Locke "feels like the guy is unfairly attacking the U.S.," the official said.

Mr. Chen rose to prominence in activist circles as a critic of forced abortions and sterilizations in his home province under China's one-child policy. His campaign led to the firing of local officials and brought about his run-in with authorities.

He slipped away from home detention the night of April 22, scaling at least eight walls, according to activists involved and a U.S. account, injuring a foot in the process. It took him 20 hours to move through his local area before he could meet up with a fellow activist who drove him from Shandong province to Beijing.

Once there, they moved from safe house to safe house before contacting the U.S. embassy. They rendezvoused with U.S. personnel, who escorted him into the embassy on April 26.

The U.S. was silent on his whereabouts, although it was an open secret; activists said they were told he was in the "safest place in Beijing," code for the embassy.

A senior State Department official said Mr. Chen's injury was the main impetus for granting him admission, a move all parties knew would spark a diplomatic furor. The decision involved "the highest levels of the State Department," one senior U.S. administration official said. He said the U.S. delegation in Beijing was in regular contact with the White House.

The White House's National Security Council was briefed on the situation by the State Department, but President Barack Obama wasn't told before Mr. Chen was brought into the embassy, a senior administration official said.

The Chinese side in the negotiations was led by Cui Tiankai, a vice minister of foreign affairs. Mr. Cui, fluent in English, is well regarded in Washington. Urbane and impeccably dressed, he is at ease with the foreign media.

Kurt Campbell, an Assistant Secretary of State, took the helm for the U.S. A former naval officer and academic, he has sought to strengthen the U.S.'s non-Chinese alliances in Asia but refers to his counterparts in Beijing as his "Chinese friends."

Overhanging the talks was the U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue, an annual series of talks, which was to begin Thursday. U.S. officials were nervous any impasse could derail the meeting.

A battery of U.S. officials, led by the ambassador, spent hours talking with Mr. Chen to determine what he wanted. Mr. Locke said he spoke to him for an average of three hours a day. U.S. officials shared their personal experiences, and Mr. Chen talked about other famous activists, including Burmese democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi. He concluded that carrying on his fight outside China would be difficult.

U.S. officials said Mr. Chen told them he wanted to reunite with his family, relocate to a safe place somewhere else in China, study law and have the Chinese government investigate his allegations of mistreatment.

On Monday, Mr. Chen spoke with Jerome Cohen, co-director of New York University's U.S.-Asia Law Institute, a longtime human rights advocate. Mr. Chen told him it appeared risky to leave the embassy. "I told him just to hang in there because over time he could work something," Mr. Cohen said.

The next day, Mr. Cohen recalled, they talked about the pros and cons of staying in China. Mr. Cohen offered him a spot at NYU.

With Secretary of State Hillary Clinton en route for the strategic and economic talks, the Chinese government "gave us a response," Mr. Locke said. It would have meant Mr. Chen leaving the embassy while his family was still in his home province.

Mr. Chen said no. Embassy officials started working on the logistics of housing for Mr. Chen inside the embassy if necessary.

Then, later that night, he asked that his family be brought to Beijing as a signal of good faith by the Chinese government, which agreed. The plan was to give Mr. Chen a chance to speak with his wife and "enable him to make a very final decision" about leaving U.S. protection, American officials say.

On Wednesday, Mr. Chen asked to speak with Rep. Chris Smith, a New Jersey Republican, and Democratic Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California. Mr. Smith thought the emerging deal was a terrible idea, and wanted to tell Mr. Chen to instead come to the U.S.

He called the State Department operations center but couldn't get through. He stayed up until 4 a.m. waiting for a call. By the time a department official called back, Mr. Chen had left the embassy.

Mr. Smith's never-delivered message: "You could do even more outside [the country]." Ms. Pelosi's office didn't receive any message, a spokesman said.

By this time, Mr. Chen's wife and children were at the hospital. Twice she spoke with her husband. Mr. Locke said she "implored" Mr. Chen to leave the embassy and join the family at the hospital.

The ambassador and State Department officials huddled around Mr. Chen, who likes to hold people's hands while talking to them. They asked him what he wanted to do—did he want to leave?

"We waited several minutes. And then he suddenly jumped up, very excited, very eager, and said, 'Let's go,' " Mr. Locke said, an account echoed by other U.S. officials. It was after 2 p.m. on Wednesday, almost six days since Mr. Chen came to the embassy.

Before they got in the van, Mr. Locke asked him again, "Is this what you want to do? Are you ready to leave?" Mr. Chen said yes.

Once in the van, U.S. officials realized they didn't have their cellphones, because they had been in the secure part of the embassy. Borrowing a staffer's phone, they called Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Chen said in Chinese how grateful he was for her support. Then, in broken English, he told her he "wanted to kiss her."

U.S. officials described it as a touching moment, but Mr. Chen immediately regretted the remark. To cover his tracks, he later told people he had just said he wanted to "see" her.

Mrs. Clinton released a statement saying she was pleased "we were able to facilitate Chen Guangcheng's stay and departure from the U.S. embassy in a way that reflected his choices and our values." Exhausted U.S. officials, who had barely slept for a week, described the arrangement as a triumph of diplomacy.

That's when the carefully laid plans went awry. The U.S. had made no arrangements for embassy personnel to spend the night at the hospital. Officials spoke with Mr. Chen by phone two more times that evening. Then he started getting calls from friends and fellow activists.

Teng Biao, a human-rights lawyer and Chen confidant, advised him to reconsider. "Their revenge may have already started: They still haven't given us dinner," Mr. Chen told Mr. Teng in a call at 9 p.m. Wednesday, according to a transcript posted on Mr. Teng's personal blog. "The children are crying from hunger." Mr. Teng said he told Mr. Chen's wife, Yuan Weijing: "As soon as the Americans are gone, you'll be in danger."

Bob Fu, who runs the Christian advocacy group ChinaAid, one of Mr. Chen's strongest supporters, was at his home in Midland, Texas, when he got his first indication the deal was unraveling. He received a concerned email from Zeng Jinyan, a prominent Chinese activist.

She also spoke to Mr. Chen by phone and found him growing increasingly agitated, "in a desperate situation," according to Mr. Fu. She took to her Twitter account to relay the same message, asserting that Mr. Chen had left the embassy only because of threats leveled at this wife. The U.S. denied relaying any threats to him. Mr. Chen told a bevy of news organizations he now wanted to leave the country.

U.S. officials dismissed the reports for hours. After midnight in Beijing, the State Department released a statement denying the snowballing allegations.

Mr. Chen's change of heart left the U.S. diplomacy looking naive. Critics began to speculate that U.S. officials had scared him into leaving so as not to jeopardize the economic talks. Mitt Romney said that "If the reports are true,…it's a day of shame" for the administration.

On Thursday, U.S. officials scrambled to defend their actions. There was one complicating factor: The U.S. didn't have the access to Mr. Chen it had anticipated. U.S. embassy officials couldn't see Mr. Chen in person. Instead, they met his wife outside the hospital in the morning.

The economic and strategic summit, meanwhile, kicked off without a hitch. Mrs. Clinton made her opening statement, including a short reference to human rights, in the ornate Hall of Flowers at the Diaoyutai State Guest House—a compound, once a favorite fishing spot of Chinese emperors, that was also the site of the 1972 talks that reopened U.S.-China relations.

By 5.30 Thursday afternoon, the State Department acknowledged Mr. Chen had changed his mind. U.S. officials tried to connect with Mr. Chen by phone Thursday night in the hospital, but again were unsuccessful.

Others had more luck. In what appears to have been a critical phone call, Mr. Chen spoke near midnight to Guo Yushan, a scholar who aided his initial flight. The tone of the conversation was markedly different from the frantic calls of the day earlier. Mr. Guo, in an Internet posting, conveyed a new message from Mr. Chen, including an apology for "the pressure brought to the relevant parties including the U.S. embassy."

Mr. Guo wrote: "He wants to go to the U.S. for travel for a while and then come back. Therefore, this is not a change of mind."

A couple of hours later, Mr. Chen had an open microphone to the U.S. Congress. It was the middle of Washington's afternoon, and Mr. Fu, testifying at a hearing called by Rep. Smith to discuss the brouhaha, dialed Mr. Chen and held up the phone for all to hear.

Messrs. Smith and Fu discussed the call during a break. Mr. Smith said he "took a minute to think: does this help or hurt him. I figured this would give him further protection."

Broadcast live, Mr. Chen broached the idea that he had discussed with Mr. Guo but that was news to everyone else: temporarily leaving China, with the whole family, to rest and maybe study at a U.S. university.

On Friday, the summit continued as planned. Mrs. Clinton had a whirlwind of meetings with top Chinese officials and dashed across town to another event to tout closer ties between American and Chinese people.

Still, there was no easy way out. By early afternoon on Friday, U.S. embassy officials still hadn't been able to meet with Mr. Chen face to face in the hospital.

Then, suddenly, the Chinese Foreign Ministry put out a simple statement on its website. Mr. Chen, it said, could apply to study abroad like any Chinese student, as long as he followed procedures. Standing in sharp contrast to the tone used earlier, it seemed China was preparing to meet Mr. Chen in the middle.

"My eyes lit up like a pinball machine when I saw that, because that's the way out of the crisis," said Mr. Cohen, the NYU professor. He called it an "exciting, low-key, dignified" solution for both governments.

A few hours later, Mrs. Clinton, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and two Chinese officials—Vice Premier Wang Qishan and State Councilor Dai Bingguo—took the stage to close the two-day affair.

Mrs. Clinton thanked her hosts, reviewed some achievements, then spoke of areas where China and the U.S. still disagree. "Of course, the United States continues to raise human rights, because we believe they are essential for every country to uphold," she said. "And we raised specific matters of individuals and situations whenever necessary," she added.

Re: I Think There's More To This Than We Know

Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:48 pm
by Crackpot
the article is old and completely out of date and many of your questions, allusions, etc.. have already been satisfactorily answered by the punditry etc over the past week.

Re: I Think There's More To This Than We Know

Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:55 pm
by Joe Guy
Crackpot wrote:the article is old and completely out of date and many of your questions, allusions, etc.. have already been satisfactorily answered by the punditry etc over the past week.
Okay...

I was wrong.

Can I edit my other post?

Re: I Think There's More To This Than We Know

Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 3:56 pm
by Lord Jim
Looks like the guy's got something of a screw loose...(which given what he's been through I suppose is understandable.)