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These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 1:30 pm
by Lord Jim
On a day when BP should have been getting at least a little positive publicity for agreeing to a far reaching compensation plan that includes as it's centerpiece a minimum of 20 billion in compensation for the victims of the Gulf oil spill, The company's Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg, took direct aim at his foot with a 44 magnum and proceeded to empty the clip:
BP 'small people' comment causes anger along Gulf

By HOLBROOK MOHR, Associated Press Writer Holbrook Mohr, Associated Press Writer – Wed Jun 16, 6:09 pm ET

VENICE, La. – The "small people" of the Gulf Coast have a humongous message for oil giant BP: They're tired of the company's big-time executives making insensitive comments.

On Wednesday, BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg told reporters in Washington: "I hear comments sometimes that large oil companies are greedy companies or don't care, but that is not the case with BP. We care about the small people."

Orange Beach, Ala., Mayor Tony Kennon laughed when he heard Svanberg's remark.

"They can call me small, miniature, they can call me anything they want. Just write the check and send it to us," he said.

But Justin Taffinder of New Orleans was not amused.

"We're not small people. We're human beings. They're no greater than us. We don't bow down to them. We don't pray to them," Taffinder said.
Mr. Svanberg is apparently envious of his colleague BP CEO Anthony Hayward's status as Most Hated Man in America and is anxious to displace him...

Mr. Hayward earned the nation's warm affection earlier when the multi-millionaire business executive whined about how he "wanted his life back"....when 11 people have lost their lives, and many thousands more are at risk of having their lives totally ruined....

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:24 pm
by Sue U
In my head, Sade is providing the BP management soundtrack: "Smooth operator ...."

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:27 pm
by @meric@nwom@n
They appear to be trying hard to look clueless and helpless.

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:26 pm
by Lord Jim
I've had the hearing with Hayward on in the background....

The first thing I'd like to say is that my gast was completely flabbered when GOP Rep. Joe Barton "apologized" to Hayward for the compensation fund deal negociated by the Obama Administration (for which I give Obama kudos...it looks like a pretty good set up) He even went so far as to try to imply that it was some sort of a "shakedown" that would end the Justice Department criminal investigation. (There is absolutely zero evidence of this.)

It should be pointed out that the other Republicans have distanced themselves from the remarks of this imbecile. (Even John Boehner issued a statement criticizing Barton) in fact another Republican on the Committee, Rep. Burgess, really ripped Hayward apart...Before the recess he said that given Hayward's apparent lack of knowledge, "any one of us could do his job" .

Hayward himself is coming across abysmally. Arrogant and ignorant is not a winning combination... The man has worked in the industry for 28 years, he comes from an engineering background, he's the CEO of the company, but apparently he knows absolutely nothing....

Based on his performance, when BP releases their next round of commercials, I know just who the spokesman should be:











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Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:45 pm
by Rick
I don't understand why they just don't plug the thing.

Place a rubber bladder in a steel tube with a piston at the end.

Shove it in the pipe past the rupture, push the bladder out via the piston inflate.

Violla, plug...

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:44 pm
by Big RR
Keld--that seems so simple, I'd be surprised if it wasn't considered and problems found with it. Maybe at those depths the trmperature is so low the rubber would be too brittle? Also, the force of the flowing oil would be considerable, and it could be that a bladder would not seal but be pushed out, even after inflation.

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:54 pm
by Rick
It would only have to last long enough to cut & cap the pipe.

It's simplicity is the very reason it has been over looked.

The simple answers are generally thrown out off hand.

In favor of contraptions that are going to fit over the leak so we just siphon it off...

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:59 pm
by Big RR
As i recall, they did try to plug the leak with concrete and rubber and the like, and it was just expelled by the pressure of the flowing oil. I am not an engineer, but wonder why an inflatable bladder would fare any better.

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:38 pm
by Gob
In a sane world that "little people" comment would earn him a few months cleaning up the oil off the beaches with his bare fucking hands.

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:25 pm
by dales
I'm a wee little persson and I say.....




CASTRATE THE MOFO WITH A WEE LITTLE SCALPEL :twisted:

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:51 pm
by Scooter
Lord Jim wrote:
BP 'small people' comment causes anger along Gulf

By HOLBROOK MOHR, Associated Press Writer Holbrook Mohr, Associated Press Writer – Wed Jun 16, 6:09 pm ET

VENICE, La. – The "small people" of the Gulf Coast have a humongous message for oil giant BP: They're tired of the company's big-time executives making insensitive comments.

On Wednesday, BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg told reporters in Washington: "I hear comments sometimes that large oil companies are greedy companies or don't care, but that is not the case with BP. We care about the small people."
Mr. Svanberg is apparently envious of his colleague BP CEO Anthony Hayward's status as Most Hated Man in America and is anxious to displace him...
In fairness, the guy is Swedish, he may have been looking for an idiom to contrast with "big oil companies" and misspoke by saying "small" when he meant something along the lines of "regular" or "ordinary".

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:59 pm
by kristina
That had occurred to me, Scooter. Still, he was talking to reporters, so it's likely he had prepared what he was going to say, and run it by someone in PR. Of course, maybe he did exactly that!

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:18 pm
by loCAtek

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:08 pm
by Lord Jim
I've seen that in the news too Scooter...

But even if that's true it still provides another example of how this bunch just can't seem to get anything right...

Some more interesting info about this wonderful company:
BP processes about 1.5 million barrels of crude oil per day, across six refineries in the United States. In total, 150 refineries in the United States process just under 18 million barrels per day, so BP processes about 8.5 percent of it. However, as reported by the Center for Public Integrity, 97 percent of the most dangerous violations found by OSHA were on BP properties.

There are several levels of citations. The most dangerous are egregious willful and willful, in that order. Egregious citations are flagrant violations and willful citations are intentional disregard for employee safety and health.

Between June 2007 and February 2010, there were 761 egregious citations issued in total. All but one of them were issued to BP. In the same time period, 69 of the 91 willful citations also belonged to BP.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD9GDSSK81
Tony Hayward is being relieved.
Yes LoCa, but having seen the picture of the man BP has chosen to replace him, I'm frankly not very hopeful that there will be much improvement...here he is meeting with some local Gulf Coast residents:












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Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:21 pm
by Sue U
Why don't they just replace Hayward with Joe Barton?

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:19 am
by Lord Jim
In the hearings yesterday Strop, it came out that BP ignored the safety standards that even Haliburton recommended...

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:51 am
by Gob
Cheers Jim, got a link to that.

Oh, I'm destroying my post above as the system has warned me that my cut and paste has "warez".

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Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:00 am
by tyro
"warez"?


If my cut and paste had warez, I’d be worried too.

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:37 am
by loCAtek
Anyone hear how the BP Gulf environmental safety concern checklist was cut & pasted from Exxon's Alaskan checklist, including 'walruses' and 'ice floes'?

Re: These Guys Just Can't Do Anything Right

Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:47 am
by Reality Bytes
While Barack Obama is lambasting BP for spreading muck in the Gulf of Mexico, he should perhaps pencil in a date with the people of Bhopal when he visits India later this year. While 11 men lost their lives on BP's watch and the shrimps get coated with black stuff, the chemicals that killed thousands of people in Bhopal in 1984 are still leaching into the ground water a quarter of a century after a poisonous, milky-white cloud settled over the city.

The compensation – some $470m – paid out by Union Carbide, the US owner of the plant and now part of Dow Chemical, was just the cash it received from its insurers to compensate the victims, a process that took 17 years. But it's one rule for them and another for anybody else.

Obama wants "British Petroleum" to pay back every nickel and dime the Deepwater Horizon disaster costs. To make sure BP gets the message, the president says he back Congress plans to retrospectively raise the liability limit for claims from $75m to $10bn. That's real money.

While foreign companies in the US are shown the big stick, Washington offers a big shield for its multinationals abroad. In the case of Bhopal, it was the US that blocked India's requests to extradite Warren Anderson, the former chairman of Union Carbide who accepted "moral responsibility" for the accident until a short spell in an Indian jail changed his mind. This week saw just the prosecution of local Indian managers – 26 years after the event.

That was then. Surely India, which says it is an emerging power that wants to shape the world, would be able to stand up to the United States today? And wouldn't a more moral president see that foreign lives are as precious as American ones? Apparently not.

India's still playing a craven toady to a US that is ruthlessly pursuing an agenda where commercial interests are put above the lives of others. Delhi has stripped a flagship nuclear bill of a clause that allowed companies to be sued for negligence in the event of a – God forbid – accident.

It is bizarre to see a leader of the developing world offer up its citizens' lives cheaply to secure investment from foreign companies and governments. Under the civil liabilities for nuclear damage bill, central to a deal with the controversial nuclear pact with the US, costs for cleaning up a catastrophic failure would end up being paid by the Indian taxpayer.

Sure, India is desperate for the nuclear deal – which will see it become the only nonpermanent member of the UN security council to keep its atomic weapons and trade in nuclear know-how. But at what price? Today we know.

Washington made it clear it wanted India to set the bar low on liability – so that shareholders of large US corporations would not be forced to pay out for sloppy, deadly mistakes. So any future victims in India would be left at the mercy of the country's justice system, like those poor souls who lost lives, loved ones and their health and were condemned to spending years lost in the courts with little to show but false hope.

Delhi had argued that international suppliers would not be willing to enter the Indian nuclear market without such a bill. But has Russia been willing to do so. And Germany accepts no cap on nuclear liability. In the US the nuclear lobby accepts a liability set at $10bn.

In Bhopal, what happened in the years after was a bigger scandal than the original accident. Although Delhi was cackhanded, the US bears most of the blame. Unlike BP, Washington did not threaten US companies for deaths in the past and is actively working to ensure they evade responsibility in the future. Obama's administration has not learned the lessons of history. It means we are doomed to repeat its mistakes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -bhopal-bp