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General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:52 pm
by Lord Jim
Gen. Stanley McChrystal coming to Washington to explain anti-administration comments

By Ernesto Londoño and Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, June 22, 2010; 9:12 AM

KABUL -- The top U.S. general in Afghanistan was summoned to Washington for a White House meeting after apologizing Tuesday for flippant and dismissive remarks about top Obama administration officials involved in Afghanistan policy

The remarks in an article in this week's Rolling Stone magazine are certain to increase tension between the White House and Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal.

The profile of McChrystal, , titled the "Runaway General," also raises fresh questions about the judgment and leadership style of the commander Obama appointed last year in an effort to turn around a worsening conflict.

McChrystal and some of his senior advisors are quoted criticizing top administration officials, at times in starkly derisive terms. An anonymous McChrystal aide is quoted calling national security adviser James Jones a "clown," who remains "stuck in 1985."

Referring to Richard Holbrooke, Obama's senior envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, one McChrystal aide is quoted saying: "The Boss says he's like a wounded animal. Holbrooke keeps hearing rumors that he's going to get fired, so that makes him dangerous."

On one occasion, McChrystal appears to react with exasperation when he receives an e-mail from Holbrooke, saying, "Oh, not another e-mail from Holbrooke. I don't even want to read it."

U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry, a retired three-star general, isn't spared. Referring to a leaked cable from Eikenberry that expressed concerns about the trustworthiness of Afghan President Hamid Karzai, McChrystal is quoted as having said: "Here's one that covers his flank for the history books. Now if we fail, they can say, 'I told you so.' "

The magazine hits newsstands Friday and could be posted online earlier in the week. The Washington Post received an advance copy of the article from its author, Michael Hastings, a freelance journalist who has written for the Post.

"I extend my sincerest apology for this profile," McChrystal said in a statement issued Tuesday morning. "It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and it should have never happened."
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McChrystal's civilian press aide, Duncan Boothby, submitted his resignation Tuesday as a result of the article, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity.

A U.S. embassy spokeswoman said she had no immediate comment on the piece.

The story features an exchange in which McChrystal and some of his aides appear to mock Vice President Biden, who opposed McChrystal's troop surge recommendation last year and instead urged instead for a more focused emphasis on counter-terrorism operations.

"Are you asking me about Vice President Biden?" McChrystal asks the profile's reporter a at one point, laughing. "Who's that?"

"Biden?" an unnamed aide is quoted as saying. "Did you say Bite me?" [ :lol: ]

Lt. Col. Joseph Breasseale, a U.S. military spokesman, said McChrystal called Biden and other senior administration officials Tuesday morning (Monday evening in Washington) in reference to the article. "After these discussions, he decided to travel to the U.S. for a meeting," the spokesman said in an e-mail.

Officials in Washington who were familiar with the situation said the general apologized during the phone call. Biden has been highly skeptical of McChrystal's insistence that more troops be sent to Afghanistan.

McChrystal's remarks were made public on the eve of the president's monthly meeting with his top advisers on Afghanistan, which is scheduled to take place on Wednesday. McChrystal typically joins that meeting by a secure videoconference from Afghanistan, but was summoned to Washington to participate directly and explain his remarks, a senior administration official said Tuesday morning.

The meeting, which includes Biden and many of the other advisers who McChrystal or his staff mocked in the article, is sure to be tense as the general attempts to make amends in person.

It is not the first time that McChrystal has had to be dressed down by Obama. Shortly after the general's assessment of the situation in Afghanistan was made public last year, McChrystal gave a speech in London in which he publicly criticized those who advocated a scaled-back effort in Afghanistan.

Those comments were widely seen as being directed against Biden, who had advocated for an approach in the country which focused on targeting terrorists more narrowly. After that speech, an angry Obama summoned McChrystal to a face-to-face meeting on Air Force One in Copenhagen, where Obama had arrived to pitch Chicago's Olympic bid.

White House officials declined to comment publicly Tuesday morning, but the latest public relations blunder by McChrystal is sure to further strain his relationship with a president who puts a premium on message discipline and loyalty. [/b]

More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 0062200900
Well, as the article points out, this ain't McChrystal's first rodeo when it comes to creating problems for the White House. I don't really see where Obama has any choice other than to fire the man. No President can have a General, in such an important position, (no matter how good a general he may be) dissing and ridiculing the members of his Administration publicly the way McChrystal has. If Obama does not fire McChrystal, it would show extraordinary weakness on his part.

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:55 pm
by Lord Jim
I don't know much about Jim Jones, (except that he has an unfortunate name) so I don't know if McChrystal's low opinion of him is justified or not.

However I do know that Richard Holbrook can be something of a pompous ass, as of course can Joe Biteme Biden...(Vice President Biteme....I like that....I'm gonna use it.... :D )

But the issue of course, isn't whether or not his comments are fair or accurate. The issue is whether or not it's acceptable for an active duty General Officer, a General in charge of a combat theater, to be making these sorts of statements publicly. whether they are accurate or not.

In my view the answer is a very clear, "NO"....

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:18 pm
by Rick
Jones is a plodder.

He's gone...

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:53 pm
by Lord Jim
It seems to me that if Obama doesn't fire McChrystal, (or accept his resignation...I'm sure it's going to be offered) but instead just "dresses him down", it sends a very bad message.

The message this would send is, "I am so reliant on this guy for the successful implementation of my Afghan strategy, that I have no choice but to put up with anything he says." I don't think that's the sort of message a President should ever want to send. Nobody should be that important.

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:58 pm
by Rick
The problem as I see it is this would be the second general he has fired for being critical of HIS policies.

Hiring a 3rd would remind MOST folks of VIETNAM.

Kiss any thoughts of reelection good by...

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:03 pm
by Rick
Can Jones.

Replace him with McCrystal (Jones replacement is already in position, Tom Donilon, McCrystal would act as his secretary till he quits of his own accord).

Then hire a new General...

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:12 pm
by @meric@nwom@n
Bad General, bad bad General.

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:19 pm
by dales
Stalin killed off most of his entire general staff.

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:22 pm
by Crackpot
who didn't stalin kill?

I mean the man killed some of his most devoted followers because he was suspicious of them trying to usurp him.

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:25 pm
by Rick
Well he DIDN'T kill Georgy Zhukov.

That's the important thing...

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:46 pm
by Lord Jim
Can Jones.

Replace him with McCrystal (Jones replacement is already in position, Tom Donilon, McCrystal would act as his secretary till he quits of his own accord).
Well Keld, that might make sense from a policy standpoint, but I don't see it happening. Moving him into a top ranked White House job would be a promotion, and people don't get promoted for insulting the boss....

There are some thing about firing McChrystal that would be problematic....

For one thing, the post requires Senate confirmation....That means he'd be re-opening the whole Afghan debate on national television, exposing the divisions within his party right before the mid term elections.

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:07 pm
by Sue U
HA HA BITE ME
Gov’t Employee Stanley McChrystal Gripes About His Bosses

The biggest story in the political universe this morning (other than Tim James’ concession, natch) comes to us courtesy of Rolling Stone magazine, which is apparently still being published! One of their dogged reporters was taken off the crucial Third Eye Blind beat to go to Afghanistan and hang out with the upper echelons of the officer corps there, only to discover that these he-man military guys liked to make fun of the recently elected liberal administration! Find out what extremely rude thing they said about Joe Biden — Joe Biden! We thought every last living human loved Joe Biden! — after the jump.

Here are the mean things McChrystal and his posse of war-fighters said and did, as excerpted by the liberal media: they said Obama was “uncomfortable and intimidated” during a meeting with a bunch of generals; they called National Security Advisor James Jones a “clown” who is “stuck in 1985″; they called Richard Holbrooke, the administration’s Afghan-Pakistan envoy, a “wounded animal” and “dangerous,” because he might get fired soon; they don’t think much of Karl Eikenberry, the ambassador to Kabul; they referred to the prospect of meeting with a French government official as “fucking gay”; and when someone brought up Joe Biden, McChrystal said “Are you asking me about Vice President Biden? Who’s that?” and then one of his aides said “Biden? Did you say ‘Bite me?’” HA HA GET IT BECAUSE IT SORT OF RHYMES!

Here’s what they don’t do: disagree on any substantive policy or war-fighting issues, really! It seems to mostly be just a big workplace clash of personalities, except the “workplace” is a nightmarish war zone where thousands of people are dying and maybe we should be acting like fucking grown-ups, especially when talking on the record to reporters at national magazines. Anyway, Barry is pretty pissed because this all makes him look wimpy so McChrystal is flying back to DC right now to be extensively yelled at and/or fired.

But hey, at least Rolling Stone comes out looking pretty great in all this, right? Pageview bonanza! Uh, except, as our soul mates at The Awl point out, the article isn’t on Rolling Stone’s website because Jann Wenner hates and fears the Internet, and the actual paper magazine isn’t on newsstands yet, and probably won’t be until everyone has lost interest in this story! (The Politico had a PDF version up at one point, but had to take it down; The Awl has a fair use excerpt.) If you want to enjoy Rolling Stone’s fine reporting today, check out this article about the death of Slipknot’s bassist instead. [NYT/WP]


With links, photo, alt-text, etc.:
http://wonkette.com/416189/govt-employe ... ore-416189

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:57 pm
by Rick
Obama shoulda fired him back in late September of 09.

If he brings this to the fore and gets rid of Jones at the same time.

Donilon could probably salvage his Rep.

But they had better put a self starter in charge of Afghanistan or it's 1 and out for Obama.

The war in Afghanistan will be a political killer for any ruling party from that point forward...

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:13 pm
by Rick

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:20 pm
by Gob
Doesn't this make the whole "Commander in Chief" idea look a bit fragile?

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:50 pm
by loCAtek
It worked well when he we had leaders with military experience, like Eisenhower. Obama has had none what so ever.

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:11 am
by Sue U
The military is ENTIRELY SUBORDINATE to the civil authority. It is not a fourth branch of government. It exists solely to implement the more forceful objectives of civilian foreign policy. It is only a tool of the government. You don't need to have been a soldier/sailor/airman to be Commander in Chief any more than you need to have been an assembly line worker in order to be CEO of an auto company. It is a phony "qualification." It is well to periodically remind the military that they serve exclusively, and at the pleasure of, civilian bosses.

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:15 am
by Crackpot
Sue U wrote: any more than you need to have been an assembly line worker in order to be CEO of an auto company.
It really would help. Promoting auto executives anywhere from the inside would help.

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:52 am
by Rick
Sue however true your post.

Only 12 presidents have had no military experience.

Since Truman 2 Clinton and Obama...

Re: General Foolishness

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:35 am
by Jarlaxle
I suspect McChrystal just wanted out...he was probably frustrated and figured this was the easiest way to get out.