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More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:58 pm
by dales
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20120908/DA159VG82.html
Analysis: Weak jobs report delivers blow to Obama
Sep 7, 9:30 PM (ET)
By TOM RAUM
WASHINGTON (AP) - The disappointing August jobs report raises yet another campaign obstacle for President Barack Obama and makes his hopes of holding onto his own job even more challenging - especially in closely contested battleground states with painfully high levels of unemployment.
Coming less than 12 hours after the president accepted his party's nomination for a second term, the lackluster report could wipe out or diminish any traditional bounce in the polls he might have gotten from the festive, well-choreographed three-day Democratic National Convention.
"The broad message here is flat, flat, flat," said economist Heidi Shierholz with the labor-affiliated Economic Policy Center.
A disappointing report for one month might be dismissed in normal times as an aberration, she said, "but a stagnant report when the unemployment rate is over 8 percent represents a continuation of the crisis," meaning that getting back to pre-recession employment levels will take many more months, even years.
The bleak news played right into the hands of Republicans, who claim that Obama's policies inhibit job production and have made the economic picture worse. "Did you see the jobs report this morning by the way?" Republican rival Mitt Romney asked reporters in Sioux City, Iowa. "Almost 400,000 people dropped out of the work force altogether. It's is simply unimaginable."
The overall unemployment rate declined from 8.3 percent to 8.1 percent last month, which should be good news, but the "improvement" came only because more people gave up looking for work.
Just 96,000 new jobs were created in August, sharply down from the revised July number of 141,000 and below the threshold of 100,000 to 150,000 new jobs needed each month just to keep pace with working-age population growth.
That's not good news for an incumbent president up for re-election in just 60 days. It was another sharp reminder that the economy isn't Obama's friend.
Even though the president likes to talk about recent private-sector job growth - for 30 consecutive months now, as he noted Friday in a campaign stop in New Hampshire - there are still 261,000 fewer people employed today than when he was sworn in. The jobless rate then was 7.9 percent. It hasn't been below 8 percent since.
Job production clearly is "not good enough" and the economy needs to churn out jobs faster, the president said, calling the road to recovery "a long, tough journey."
Friday's jobs report complicates the electoral math for Obama and increases the political pressure on his campaign in battleground states with unemployment rates even higher than the national average. Nevada, for instance, has a 12 percent jobless rate, North Carolina has 9.6 percent, Michigan 9 percent, Florida 8.8 percent and Colorado 8.3 percent. Those state figures are all for July, the most recent month available.
So far, Obama has generally held the edge in polls in many of these states.
Both Obama and Romney campaigned Friday in battleground states with better-then-average jobs numbers. Unemployment in New Hampshire in July was 5.4 percent and in Iowa, 5.3 percent. Other battleground states in this category are Virginia, at 5.9 percent; Ohio at 7.2 percent, Wisconsin at 7.3 percent and Pennsylvania at 7.9 percent.
Expect both campaigns to redouble their efforts and spending in the higher unemployment states.
Jared Bernstein, a former economics aide in the Obama White House assigned to Vice President Joe Biden, suggested the administration needs to do more to emphasize how its auto-industry bailout has helped bring back jobs in the automobile and related industries. Biden himself made this a major point in his convention speech Thursday night.
Obama aides suggested that the jobs report reminds people of what they already knew - that the economy is healing, but slowly.
White House senior adviser David Plouffe said despite Friday's jobs report, "we come out of the convention with momentum." But, he added, "that doesn't mean the race is going to change significantly."
The Romney campaign, enjoying a recent fundraising edge over the president, began airing a barrage of new ads shaped to fit the situations in different states and regions.
The weak August employment report "just goes to show that nobody in the administration really appreciated early on the depth of the hole we fell into in 2008," including Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and former White House economic adviser Lawrence Summers, said Ross Baker, a political science professor at Rutgers University.
"It took 10 years to get out of the Great Depression," said Baker. He said people shouldn't be surprised "if this recovery is half as long."
Nigel Gault, chief U.S. economist for IHS Global, said that, if he were advising the Obama campaign, "I'd say we're still creating jobs, though not at a satisfactory pace. It shows how important it is to stick with us and let the policies we put in place bear fruit."
But, Gault added, "I'm more optimistic that whoever wins the presidency, the next four years will be much better than the past four years."
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EDITOR'S NOTE - Tom Raum covers economics and politics for The Associated Press.
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:06 pm
by rubato
Four years ago we lost 280,000 jobs in Sept. 2008 after 4 years of Republican policies.
Today we gained about 100,000
This is the bad news for the Repuglicans. They caused the worst calamity in 80 years. And then blocked almost every effort to put it right.
yrs,
rubato
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:12 pm
by Guinevere
I read or heard somewhere that many of the workforce drop outs were young people. How many dropped out of the workforce to go to school? Where do seasonal workers fit in this analysis, there is always a drop this time of year. Businesses, unless seasonal, also seem to be quiet in August, and in my experience, don't hire over the summer, but start again in September.
We'll see how those #s look.
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:21 pm
by Lord Jim
1. If the size of the U.S. labor force as a share of the total population was the same as it was when Barack Obama took office—65.7% then vs. 63.6% today—the U-3 unemployment rate would be 11.1%.
Now, this doesn’t take into account the aging of the Baby Boomers, which should lower the participation due to rising retirements. But is that still a valid assumption given the drop in wealth since 2006?
2. If you take into account the aging of the Baby Boomers, the participation rate should be trending lower. Indeed, it has been doing just that since 2000.
Before the Great Recession, the Congressional Budget Office predicted what the partipation rate would be in 2012, assuming such demographic changes. Using that number, the real unemployment rate would be 10.7%.
3. Of course, the participation rate usually falls during recessions. Yet even if you discount for that and the aging issue, the real unemployment rate would be 9.3%.
http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/05/the-aw ... rate-11-1/
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:07 am
by Gob
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:00 am
by liberty
Guinevere wrote:I read or heard somewhere that many of the workforce drop outs were young people. How many dropped out of the workforce to go to school? Where do seasonal workers fit in this analysis, there is always a drop this time of year. Businesses, unless seasonal, also seem to be quiet in August, and in my experience, don't hire over the summer, but start again in September.
We'll see how those #s look.
Guin , wishful thinking will do us no good. We have got to turn this thing around; we may have to something radical in order to stay a first world country.
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:33 pm
by Big RR
Much as i hate to agree with Liberty Guin face it, the recovery is a bust and jobs growth is dismal. Not that i expect Romney would do any better (at best it would remain the same), but there's nothing for Obama supporters to cheer about here.
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:54 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
I keep coming back to, "Am I better off than I was four years ago?". I have to say NO. I do know that some of my "less better off-ness" is of my own doing (being an alcoholic and such), but having had to look for a job, knowing my capabilities and getting on the right path, there were much less opportunities this year and last than there were in 2009 and 2010.
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:03 pm
by Big RR
Yep, when the job "growth touted" is in the most unskilled of jobs paying minimum wage, saying things are getting better is disingenuous at best. I don't blame Obama alone for this, and reject the BS that Romney would solve anything (or even begine to solve it), but at best things are about the same as they were 4 years ago. Then again, I think the best a president can do in an economic downturn is to help us ride it out and try and help those most hurt by it, and while I don't give Obama high marks here, i think Romney would be much worse.
My beef with Obama is in a lot of the other areas in which he has acted, or, more appropriatel, failed to act.
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:36 pm
by Guinevere
Big RR wrote:Much as i hate to agree with Liberty Guin face it, the recovery is a bust and jobs growth is dismal. Not that i expect Romney would do any better (at best it would remain the same), but there's nothing for Obama supporters to cheer about here.
I wasn't cheering, I was asking what I thought were reasonable questions. I wasn't happy with the numbers either, but I wanted to understand what they mean beyond the surface. Apparently no one here has any real answers, either. Sheesh.

Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:43 pm
by Big RR
I agree Guin, but I think we often get too bogged down with numbers; just as a rise in the unemployment (or workforce dropout) rates does not always indicate things are getting much worse, a drop doesn't indicate it's getting better? This isn't a football game, it's real life, and the score is kept by seeing how welll/badly people are doing, not the numbers. And by that measure, I honestly don't think things are much better today than they were in 2008.
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:08 pm
by Guinevere
Really? I do. At least in my industry, there haven't been the massive layoffs and paycuts from 08/09/10. 11 was a quieter but relatively stable year. 12 has been busy busy busy. Home sales seems to be rebounding, so people have money and banks are lending. Houses are selling more quickly than in 8/9/10. Prices are rising too.
Grad school applications jumped in 8/9/10, and then dropped in 11 and again in 12, which means to me new grads are relying on jobs, not grad school, to further themselves.
But maybe that's all just Massachusetts, finally recovering from the Romney years

Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:21 pm
by Lord Jim
I do. At least in my industry,
Well
of course Guin....
Personal and business bankruptcies provide
lots of work for lawyers....
I'm sure the liquor industry is booming too....
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:32 pm
by Scooter
Reminds of a story my partner once told me about his uncle, who was some kind of food wholesaler in North Carolina. He said that you can never go wrong selling cabbage and potatoes - in good times, people buy cabbage and potatoes, and in bad times, people buy even more cabbage and potatoes.
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:57 pm
by Sue U
Big RR wrote:This isn't a football game, it's real life, and the score is kept by seeing how welll/badly people are doing, not the numbers. And by that measure, I honestly don't think things are much better today than they were in 2008.
I disagree,
BigRR. I think we are all doing substantially better today than we were when Obama took office, and
the numbers bear me out. No, the economy isn't exactly roaring, but look at what was actually going on four years ago. If you think back to that time, the financial markets were in free-fall: things were so bad that John McCain was seriously attempting to suspend the presidential campaign to focus on stopping the complete collapse of the system. The sub-prime mortgage swindle had taken down Bear Stearns in March; this week four years ago Lehman Brothers went under, and AIG was just about to go into the tank. Liquidity disappeared and the markets seized up; businesses suddenly couldn't get credit to continue operating. Mortgage foreclousres took off. Panic was the word of the day. By March of 2009, the Dow had dropped from 13,000 a year earlier to 7,000; the S&P index had gone from 1,400 to 700. In the meltdown, I saw my own 401k lose more than 45% of its value between 2008 and 2009.
Today, the Dow is back over 13,000 and the S&P (a leading indicator) is over 1,400 -- both higher than when Obama took office. My own retiremet savings (last time I looked) have recovered almost all their pre-crash value. Household debt is down, mortgage interest rates are down, foreclosure starts are down, the housing market is picking up, inflation is practically negligible, industrial production is almost back to 2008 levels. GM and Chrysler -- and all their suppliers and vendors -- are still in business and posting substantial profits. Private sector jobs are up by 4.5 million since the depths of the catastrophe, although still 4.5 million short of 2008, and that is a drag on everything else. So while we're not experiencing the boom of the 90s, we're no longer on the brink of disaster, and economic recovery is actually occurring, if ploddingly in some sectors.
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:15 pm
by Guinevere
Lord Jim wrote: I do. At least in my industry,
Well
of course Guin....
Personal and business bankruptcies provide
lots of work for lawyers....
I'm sure the liquor industry is booming too....
Believe it not, bankruptcies are not the thriving heart of legal practice, and its something we don't even do in my office. My swede, however, is a biz lawyer, and he does do bankruptcies. Would it distress you to know that they are *DOWN* in 2011-- SIGNIFICANTLY -- and still trending downwards in 2012. H'e been quoted in several New England papers on the topic, and is spending more time this year building new companies than folding old ones (oh, and btw, personal bankruptcy numbers are generally stable, some people just can't manage their money, in good times or bad).
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:51 pm
by Long Run
Guinevere wrote:I read or heard somewhere that many of the workforce drop outs were young people. How many dropped out of the workforce to go to school? Where do seasonal workers fit in this analysis, there is always a drop this time of year. Businesses, unless seasonal, also seem to be quiet in August, and in my experience, don't hire over the summer, but start again in September.
My understanding is that the numbers are seasonally adjusted to take account of such factors.
Grad school applications jumped in 8/9/10, and then dropped in 11 and again in 12, which means to me new grads are relying on jobs, not grad school, to further themselves.
What I have been hearing is that kids are afraid of taking on debt, especially when the job outlook for many grad programs is not that good (e.g., law school applications are down significantly). The job market has recovered enough that many can get okay jobs and are pushing up the UE rate for those with only high school or less.
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:20 pm
by Big RR
Sue--no doubt the numbers bear it out, but I've seen a lot of people hurting, people who have been left behind by the recovery. I know a lot of talented scientists, people with great credentials and years of experience, who have just given up on finding work again and are making a subsistence living by substitute teaching and other low paying jobs. That's what happens when there are massive layoffs, and somehow those 4.5 million jobs just didn't include many technical jobs. Sure, the market is up, many of our 401ks are back to what they once were, but many other 401ks have been ravaged by people forced to "retire" earlier and cash them in for living expenses. It's not all that great for these people, whatever the numbers say.
Guin--maybe there is a bit of a rebound, and in some areas real estate prices may be recovering, but that's not really universal. And while I've been fairly busy (and could always be busier), a lot of people lack any gainful employment. It is encouraging to see entry level jobs opening up, but I'd bet it's at the expense of the higher paying, more senior jobs that were eliminated. And outsourcing continues--I know a number of professionals (mostly scientists) whose jobs were outsourced and who now work at a lower salary with little or no benefits as "contractors" often for the same companies and even in the same offices/labs. On the academic side, more and more tenured professor positions are being outsourced to adjuncts, and grants are drying up for the faculty who do research,yet tuitions rise every year. Hardly the makings of a recovery.
Again, I really can't blame Obama; I doubt any president can do much to affect the economy. But he hasn't done all that much to help those hurting--hell, NJ lost its federal unemployment extensions even though unemployment is soaring; I think the governor is at work here to to under report some numbers, but the system is stacked against the people who most need the benefits.
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:41 pm
by rubato
Put the blame where it belongs. Republicans killed the jobs act and with it 1.2 million new jobs:
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http://economistsview.typepad.com/econo ... ploit.html
Paul Krugman: Obstruct and Exploit
Republican obstructionism is real, and it's hurting the recovery:
Obstruct and Exploit, by Paul Krugman, Commentary, NY Times: Does anyone remember the American Jobs Act? A year ago President Obama proposed boosting the economy with a combination of tax cuts and spending increases, aimed in particular at sustaining state and local government employment. ... Macroeconomic Advisers estimated that the act would add 1.3 million jobs by the end of 2012. ... The Jobs Act would have been just what the doctor ordered.
But the bill went nowhere, of course, blocked by Republicans in Congress. ... Think of it as a two-part strategy. First, obstruct any and all efforts to strengthen the economy, then exploit the economy’s weakness for political gain. If this strategy sounds cynical, that’s because it is. Yet it’s the G.O.P.’s best chance for victory in November.
But are Republicans really playing that cynical a game? ... As anyone who was paying attention knows, the period during which Democrats controlled both houses of Congress was marked by unprecedented obstructionism in the Senate. The filibuster, formerly a tactic reserved for rare occasions, became standard operating procedure... In ... reality ... most of Mr. Obama’s time in office U.S. fiscal policy has been defined not by the president’s plans but by Republican stonewalling.
The most important consequence of that stonewalling ... has been the failure to extend much-needed aid to state and local governments. Lacking that aid, these governments have been forced to lay off hundreds of thousands of schoolteachers and other workers, and those layoffs are a major reason the job numbers have been disappointing. Since bottoming out a year after Mr. Obama took office, private-sector employment has risen by 4.6 million; but government employment, which normally rises more or less in line with population growth, has instead fallen by 571,000.
Put it this way: When Republicans took control of the House, they declared that their economic philosophy was “cut and grow” — cut government, and the economy will prosper. And thanks to their scorched-earth tactics, we’ve actually had the cuts they wanted. But the promised growth has failed to materialize — and they want to make that failure Mr. Obama’s fault.
Now, all of this puts the White House in a difficult bind. Making a big deal of Republican obstructionism could all too easily come across as whining. Yet this obstructionism is real, and arguably is the biggest single reason for our ongoing economic weakness.
And what happens if the strategy of obstruct-and-exploit succeeds? Is this the shape of politics to come? If so, America will have gone a long way toward becoming an ungovernable banana republic.
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Hurting the United States just to get elected is treason.
yrs,
rubato
Re: More Bad News For President Barrack
Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:55 pm
by dales
Once Barrack is defeated in November (57 days), everything will be coming up roses.
