A character trait in psychopaths has been identified by scientists as a common thread in successful US presidents.
Fearless dominance, which is linked to less social and physical apprehensiveness, boosts leadership, persuasiveness, crisis management and congressional relations, according to new research.
Theodore Roosevelt, regarded as one of the most influential US leaders even though he was in office more than a hundred years ago, ranked highest for this type of personality followed by John F Kennedy, Franklin D Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan.
Then came Rutherford Hayes, Zachary Taylor, Bill Clinton, Martin Van Buren, Andrew Jackson and George W Bush.
Fearless and dominant people are often a paradoxical mix of charm and nastiness. Cool and calm under pressure, they not easily rattled.
They lack the same kind of anticipatory anxiety that most people have so are not put off from taking dangerous actions.
They are usually intelligent and wealthy, relishing directing other people’s activities and basking in their admiration.
Psychologist Professor Scott Lilienfeld, of Emory University, Atlanta, said: 'Certain psychopathic traits may be like a double edged sword.
Only common for US Presidents, or identified by US scientists who haven't expand their research to all leaders yet?
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:23 am
by rubato
What? No mention of the 'mastermind' of both Gallipoli and Anzio?
yrs,
rubato
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:29 am
by Lord Jim
Fearless dominance, which is linked to less social and physical apprehensiveness, boosts leadership, persuasiveness, crisis management and congressional relations, according to new research.
Theodore Roosevelt, regarded as one of the most influential US leaders even though he was in office more than a hundred years ago, ranked highest for this type of personality followed by John F Kennedy, Franklin D Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan.
Oh...my...God...
Do you mean to tell me that people who have a basic self confidence, and a high opinion of themselves, are more likely to seek The Most Powerful Office On Earth, than self effacing humble types?
You could have knocked me over with a feather...
At the other end of the of the spectrum, you have Harry Truman and Gerald Ford...
Two men who are generally considered by most historians to be fairly successful Presidents, who are about as close to being "normal people" as anyone who has held the Office; certainly in modern times....
And the one thing they both have in common is that neither sought the Office before they found themselves in it, or ever expected to hold it...
Sorry, but this sounds like a lot of:
To me...
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:39 am
by Gob
rubato wrote:What? No mention of the 'mastermind' of both Gallipoli and Anzio?
I cannot understand why not?!?!?!?
The analysis, published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, drew upon personality assessments of 42 presidents up to George W Bush and compiled by Steven Rubenzer and Thomas Faschingbauer for their book ‘Personality, Character and Leadership in the White House.’
You thick twat.
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:52 am
by rubato
Rather a narrow a study then. Isn't it?
"Dr Pluck; Wouldn't your work be more meaningful if it didn't only refer to white chickens? If you included brown chickens, black chickens and white chickens with brown on them?"
yrs,
rubato
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:53 am
by Rick
Kennedy had Addison's...
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:02 am
by Gob
rubato wrote:Rather a narrow a study then. Isn't it?
Studies of US presidents tend to be narrowed to a field of?
"Dr Pluck; Wouldn't your work be more meaningful if it didn't only refer to white chickens? If you included brown chickens, black chickens and white chickens with brown on them?"
You should write to the researchers and complain about their methods then...
Steven Rubenzer and Thomas Faschingbauer ‘Personality, Character and Leadership in the White House.’
Assessing the U.S. Presidents Using the Revised NEO Personality Inventory
Steven J. Rubenzer
Mental Health & Mental Retardation Authority of Harris County, Houston, Texas
Thomas R. Faschingbauer
Fort Bend County Juvenile Probation Department, Richmond, Texas
Deniz S. Ones
University of Minnesota
Abstract
This article describes the use of objective psychological instruments, including the Revised NEO Personality Inventory (NEO PI-R), to assess the personalities of all 41 U.S. presidents to date. We briefly report our findings pertaining to the average profile of chief executives on the NEO PI-R and summarize data on two of our most illustrious presidents, Washington and Lincoln. We review a typology of presidents based on our data. Finally, we summarize the results of our investigation of the Big Five personality dimensions and facets that are related to presidential success (i.e., historical greatness). The project and findings are discussed in terms of the use of the NEO PI-R in psychohistorical research and assessment.
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:12 am
by rubato
Look it's your little study that YOU posted if you can't take a little honest description of its obvious limitations then why did you bother? You could just post to yourself then and have a completely [self-] admiring and non-critical audience?
yrs,
rubato
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:19 am
by Gob
Ah, sorry, I posted something from the paper, which I thought may be of interest to the members. I forgot everything here has to be passed by you before it is valid.
Maybe some people would have liked to actually discuss the implications of the evidence presented, rather than your snotty views on the study.
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:31 am
by rubato
Gob wrote:Ah, sorry, I posted something from the paper, which I thought may be of interest to the members. I forgot everything here has to be passed by you before it is valid.
Maybe some people would have liked to actually discuss the implications of the evidence presented, rather than your snotty views on the study.
Oh dear, YOU of all people are complaining that someone isn't staying on topic? Well there's an irony for you.
yrs,
rubato
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:51 am
by Gob
Funny isn't it, how someone who has declared the OP of this thread of no value feels the need to be the biggest contributor to it?
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:03 am
by Lord Jim
Funny isn't it, how someone who has declared the OP of this thread of no value feels the need to be the biggest contributor to it
Funny, but hardly surprising, coming as it does from a man who spent over a week telling me repeatedly that it wasn't worth his time to read the article I had posted about Krugman's alleged lie when it would have taken far less time for him to read it (assuming he could understand it) and respond to it...
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:09 am
by loCAtek
Speaking of Psychos...
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:46 am
by liberty
loCAtek wrote:Speaking of Psychos...
And he was one of our greatest presidents.
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:12 pm
by Scooter
Sure he was, if you pretend an intentional genocide or two didn't happen.
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:16 pm
by Sue U
"After 8 years as president, I have only two regrets. That I have not shot Henry Clay or hanged John C. Calhoun." --Andrew Jackson
I'm not at all sure he was wrong.
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:35 pm
by liberty
Scooter wrote:Sure he was, if you pretend an intentional genocide or two didn't happen.
The removal was intentional, but the trail of tears was not. And at the battle of Horseshoe Lake, if I remember name of the battle correctly, he was commanding Militia troops. A lot cheaper army to put in the field, but not generally known for high levels of discipline.
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:42 pm
by Scooter
liberty wrote:
Scooter wrote:The removal was intentional, but the trail of tears was not.
How about "ethnic cleansing" then? Is that better?
Re: President Psychopath
Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:51 pm
by liberty
I am not sure the is story is true, but I remember the day that Jackson died two of his female house slaves, who were fond of him by the way, were talking and one said he is dead and gone to hell and I feel sorry the devil. And other said if the general want to go to heaven who is going tell him he can’t?