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Money, money, money...

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:37 am
by Gob

A MONTH before the presidential election, America's political landscape is awash with cash.

Hundreds of millions of dollars have been pumped into the election by corporations, unions and ideologically driven billionaires determined to reshape the world to suit themselves.

Cash has sluiced through the Obama and Romney campaign headquarters, pooled in the corporate offices of the ''independent'' Political Action Committees (super PACs) that support them and has flowed in from the so called ''social welfare'' groups that pump ''dark money'' into the super PAC engine rooms.

What impact this roiling sea of cash will have on these elections and, America's democracy is still being debated. It is not even clear why the tide of cash rose so quickly this year. All anyone can seem to agree on is that there is much, much more to come.

According to the mythology of this election the floodgates were opened by the Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United decision.

Citizens United was a conservative group that had made a documentary attacking Hillary Clinton. It wanted to air the feature in the lead-up to the 2008 election, breaking campaign finance rules that forbade corporations or unions from engaging in campaign spending 60 days before an election. The case found its way before a conservative Supreme Court, which knocked the regulations on the head.

Just months after the decision the first PACs had formed and raised $65 million to weigh into the 2010 mid-term elections.


US Vice President Joe Biden (left) and Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan (right). Photo: AFP

The impact might not have been so great were it not for subsequent decisions in new cases in the following months that stripped away rules governing how much individuals could donate to the PACs and how and when the PACs could spend their money.

The PACs became super PACs. Even this might have been contained had the Federal Election Commission been able to draw up regulations on how closely the PACs could co-ordinate with campaigns and candidates. But like the rest of Washington the commission is hopelessly deadlocked between the Republican and Democrat commissioners that govern it. Super PACs could not co-ordinate with campaigns or candidates, it ruled.

But that doesn't mean much. Staff flitter back and forth between the PACs and the campaigns, candidates are allowed to travel with PACs and appear at their functions. PACs are formed specifically to promote individuals or parties, or even issues, and to attack others.

The money river began to flow and soon those running the show became more sophisticated.

The Republican strategist Karl Rove set up a super PAC but then realised some donors might like to maintain anonymity.

He set up an associated tax-exempt ''social welfare'' organisation (or a '501 (c) (4)' in the jargon of the American code) that funnelled ''dark money'' into his super PAC.

So far Rove's super PAC, American Crossroads, has spent $51 million supporting the Romney campaign, and his social welfare group, Crossroads GPS, has kicked in an extra $30 million in dark money.


The president of Democracy 21, Fred Wertheimer, has been fighting for tighter controls on political money since the Watergate days. ''This is a very sophisticated system,'' he told The Atlantic. ''That's the beauty of the system for these guys. This is a legalised-bribery kind of system where no one has to say anything. I don't have to say what I want - you know what I want.''

But Columbia Law School's Professor Nathaniel Persily, who has written broadly on the issue, is not so sure the Citizens United decision is entirely to blame. He thinks it has been possible for wealthy individuals or groups to get money to candidates for years, but Citizens United might have prompted a cultural shift.

''Corporate involvement in politics changed from being a licence into being a blessing,'' he said, adding that it is possible that wealthy people simply found themselves at odds with Barack Obama and sought to remove him as president.

After the laws passed Democrats and their supporters feared the Republicans would secure an immediate advantage. Obama even attacked the Supreme Court decision in a State of the Union address. Since then the left has proved to be as adapt at extracting cash from donors as Republicans.

But Professor Anthony Corrado of Colby College notes that individuals can manipulate government even if competing sides raise similar amounts of money. ''Just the threat of a campaign [by an outside group] against a candidate can be enough to change the way they act,'' he said.

Indeed there is evidence this is already happening. On Wednesday the Huffington Post reported on the campaign of a Long Island-based hedge fund manager, Robert Mercer, to defeat Peter DeFazio, a liberal congressman from Oregon, on the other side of the country.

This is Mercer's second attempt to unseat DeFazio, and so far he has given $839,000 to a super PAC that is targeting him.

Why? Well, DeFazio is not sure, but he suspects it may be because he is the champion of legislation that would impose a tax of 0.25 per cent on stock market transactions in an effort to curtail speculation through the kind of high-frequency, computer-driven trading that was pioneered by Mercer's company Renaissance Technologies.

''After the last election, when I would ask my [colleagues] to co-sponsor a speculator tax they'd say, 'I don't really want to make the people on Wall Street that angry and didn't somebody spend a lot of money against you?''' DeFazio told the Huffington Post. ''It has a chilling effect against some people on legislation.''

Even when the candidates billionaires choose to back fail, their presence can reverberate through the system.

By far the biggest single donor of the current election cycle is the casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, who is dedicated to strengthening ties between Israel and American and to attacking trade unions.

Adelson and his wife gave $10 million to Newt Gingrich
, a man who once urged Congress to ''establish a program of economic aid for the Palestinians to match the aid the US government provides Israel.'' This year, with Adelson at his back, Gingrich described Palestinians as ''an invented people''. When Mitt Romney defeated Gingrich to become the Republican presidential candidate, Adelson transferred his support to Romney and travelled with the candidate on his visit to Israel.

Harvard Law School Professor Lawrence Lessig recently described in The Atlantic magazine how fewer than 200 people now account for more than 80 per cent of super PAC spending. ''A tiny number of Americans - 0.26 per cent - give more than $200 to a congressional campaign. 0.05 per cent give the maximum amount to any congressional candidate. 0.01 per cent give more than $10,000 in any election cycle,'' he wrote.

''And 0.000063 per cent - 196 Americans - have given more than 80 per cent of the individual super-PAC money spent in the presidential elections so far.''

Not everyone laments the situation. Jim Bopp jnr, the pro-life Republican lawyer from suburban Indiana who championed Citizens United's cause, is celebrating its success.

''We are absolutely at tipping point,'' he recently boasted, also to The Atlantic. ''We are in the second election cycle with super PACs and now they are going to equal candidate spending. Two years from now they'll exceed candidate spending by 50 per cent … Two years after that it'll be three times candidate spending.''


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Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:44 am
by Econoline
The worst part of it is that super-PACs cannot legally support a candidate; they can only run negative ads attacking candidates they don't support--which further poisons the overall political atmosphere.
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Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:45 pm
by dgs49
It's not such a bad thing. Lies are what's bad. Campaign spending, which in the big picture is not so much (a small fraction of what American's spend on Starbuck's coffee in an election year), helps the economy.

Corporations are the representatives of their stakeholders (employees, stockholders, customers, suppliers), and the rule that prevented commercial corporations from spending on elections was not only unconstitutional, but nonsensical.

I personally find slanderous ads from government employee unions to be the most offensive (AFSCME).

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:13 am
by Grim Reaper
dgs49 wrote:Corporations are the representatives of their stakeholders (employees, stockholders, customers, suppliers), and the rule that prevented commercial corporations from spending on elections was not only unconstitutional, but nonsensical.
Of course you would support buying elections. Or at least as long as it benefits Republicans.

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:45 pm
by rubato
Corporations do NOT generally represent the interests of their employees who they treat like disposable handy-wipes, very often don't represent the interests of their stockholders in spite of a thin veneer of artificial democracy, and are often hostile to the interests of their suppliers ("pay 90" anyone?). They represent the interests of the boardroom first and most who, unlike the employees, are nearly always rewarded richly no matter how awful their decisions are (remember when HP was a great company before Carly Fiorina?) and secondly represent their largest shareholders but only to the degree that the largest shareholders are able to compel them to.

yrs,
rubato

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:06 pm
by dgs49
Buying elections? Mr. Reaper person, does it offend you at all that the UAW bought The Federal Government in 2008? That this administration flatly violated more than a hundred years of established Bankruptcy law, stole billions from the taxpayers - which will NEVER be recovered - and screwed untold millions of creditors, bondholders, and shareholders of the old GM, in order to pay off its campaign debt to the UAW?

And Mr. rubato person, ignoring for a moment the fact that you are an idiot, would you say that West Virginia, PA, and Ohio coal companies who are spending money to thwart this Administration's attempts to destroy their business are doing so in a way that could, if successful, benefit their employees? Like, allowing them to keep their jobs for a few more years?

And if oil companies support the Republicans, knowing that a republican administration will do a better job of exploiting our American petroleum resources, does that benefit the employees (and people who will become their employees if they are successful)? Their suppliers?

Do pharmaceutical company employees benefit from efforts by the industry to promote "tort reform," and candidates who support it?

I know the answers to these questions, I just want to see if you will acknowledge that your prior posting was, to put it bluntly, stupid and sophomoric, reflecting a child's understanding of how politics work.

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:29 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Things are so much simpler in SA. It goes like this...

The taxpayer funds the ANC to have a party in Mangaung (my home town, yay!) in December. There they will decide who the next president will be. Zuma is being opposed but not too loudly - solidarity, rules, ANC hegemony and so on - by his Deputy Kgalema Motlanthe and the wonderfully nicknamed "Blade" Nzimande (government functionary and SACP chief). There will be blood spilled on the streets but not too much one hopes. Zuma will probably emerge victorious as the ANC candidate for office - second term of course.

Next year there will be an election for President. There will be very little spent on electioneering. That is, they will spend a lot but they don't have to raise it as voluntary donations from corporations or individuals (although they do give) - they just loot the budgets - sorry past tense, they have already looted the budgets and illegally awarded tenders to e.g. Hitachi in return for beaucoup rands.

We could pretend that the DA (Desperate Alternative) candidate will give him a run for his .... well, our money... but it won't happen. Whoever the ANC put forward, that's who will be the next president.

Zuma is already having his retirement city (it's his home compound but is better equipped than the places that house 90% of his support base) built, using public funds and pretending he thinks his "family" is paying for it. I think the total bill has surpassed 400million rands and it's not done yet. "We did the same for De Klerk and Mandela" is one defence. Yes De Klerk asked the government to raise the brick wall round his house by a few feet and to build a small guard shack in the grounds. Mandela was treated better but even so.... he's not in the lap of luxury.

The fun thing is that the public works ministry refuses to say exactly how much (or even give an estimate) on how much Zuma's house is costing the taxpayer because that information is "national security". This of course follows directly after the ANC pushed through the Secrecy Bill which effectively gags whistle-blowers.

So don't complain about elections costing money in the USA. Here it's the results of the elections which are grossly and antisocially expensive.

The Non-whites House:

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Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:46 pm
by Grim Reaper
dgs49 wrote:I know the answers to these questions, I just want to see if you will acknowledge that your prior posting was, to put it bluntly, stupid and sophomoric, reflecting a child's understanding of how politics work.
Your poisonous attitude has gotten tiresome. There can be no debate with someone so full of hatred for the other side.

Which of course brings your whole argument into question since you care about the other side being wrong more than you care about the truth.

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:59 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
(remember when HP was a great company before Carly Fiorina?)
HP took nose dive when they spun off the test and measurement division into Agilent. HP started as test and measurement, then they get rid of that. GO figure :shrug

HP (and Agilent) have THE BEST logic analyzers out there. Pricey, but the best.

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:49 pm
by Econoline
Oppa Mangaung style! :lol:

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:21 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Econoline wrote:Oppa Mangaung style! :lol:
...and the video that goes with it...


Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:18 am
by rubato
dgs49 wrote:"...

And Mr. rubato person, ignoring for a moment the fact that you are an idiot, would you say that West Virginia, PA, and Ohio coal companies who are spending money to thwart this Administration's attempts to destroy their business are doing so in a way that could, if successful, benefit their employees? Like, allowing them to keep their jobs for a few more years?
... "
Or, like, kill them in mine accidents?

You really don't think anything through very far do you?

yrs,
rubato

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:00 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
I tried to look up the ten most dangerous jobs but my connection blocked the results. I believe fishermen in general and crab fishermen in specific are the most dangerous jobs. Have you stopped eating crabs/lobsters/fish to support the lives of the fishermen? Have you not used any energy generated from coal mining? Farming seems to come out in the top ten dangerous jobs also. Are you ready to forego wheat? And what would you have those people do for a job?

People want power (and delicious food) and others are willing to risk their lives to get that for you (and us). Heck, being one of the unemployed for many months (yes, much of it my own doing) I would be willing to risk life and limb to make a buck (and moreover to be a productive member of society and get some peace of mind at contributing to the families bottom line) be it fishing (I have done clamming) or working in a mine or walking on iron beams many stories above the ground.

Cops die, firemen die, electricians die, food handlers die, pallet stakers die, all in the name of having a job, making money and supporting ones self and their family. It's great that you are a chemist and can go to your job, put on a smock white coat and put things in a beaker in the air conditioned lab that you work. But there are more of those, who you supposedly stick up for (miners, fishermen and people who actually toil for a living) who make your consumption of energy and food and substanance possible. And if they did not do, nor want their jobs and were on the public dole (many of which do not want any part of) you would not have the life you enjoy and/or buy.

Or are you just blind to the REAL world out there?
You really don't think anything through very far do you?

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:21 pm
by rubato
You have an unusually difficult time keeping track of the topic at hand.

You post has nothing to do with what was being discussed.

yrs,
rubato

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:46 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Or, like, kill them in mine accidents?
I was responding to this comment. Guess you are not on topic either.

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:38 pm
by Gob
Republican nominee Mitt Romney has called for "real change" against President Barack Obama's "status quo", on the final stretch of an election race that is too close to call
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Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:33 pm
by Gob

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:11 pm
by Crackpot
Ans that doesn't include super PACs

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:22 pm
by Lord Jim
And we still spend more on Halloween then we do selecting The Leader Of The Free World....

I have to say that on my list of concerns about this country, the amount spent on presidential elections doesn't make the top hundred....

Re: Money, money, money...

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:27 pm
by Gob
Lord Jim wrote:And we still spend more on Halloween then we do selecting The Leader Of The Free World....
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lots of people get pleasure out of Halloween though...