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Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:30 pm
by dgs49
Mitt Romney is, like most people who end up at the top of major party tickets, a flawed candidate. He is not ideologically pure,not always consistent, and so on.

But I must vote for him for a number of reasons, namely:

(1) He is the only candidate in this race who has any comprehension of how the economy functions. While he cannot claim to be "everyman," he has succeeded in a number of ventures in both the public and private sectors, and he understands capitalism perhaps better than any previous candidate for President.

(2) He is a pragmatist and will not be forced to do something he thinks is unwise because of the feelings of any political base, whether it's the Tea Party, the Neo-Cons, or anyone else.

(3) He is a good person.

(4) He respects the United States Constitution, and will appoint judges and justices who understand and respect the Constitution.

(5) He understands that prosperity must start and end with the private sector, and that every new Government program and indeed every new government employee comes with a giant (fucking) price tag that will have to be paid by Americans of the future.

(6) Not needing a government job to maintain his self image, he MIGHT be willing to tackle Social Security and Medicare in an adult fashion.

In addition, I find that I must vote against Our Beloved President for the following reasons:

(a) He is and always has been a fraud. From his vacuous slogans, empty rhetoric, pathetic attempts to act and speak like a "Black man," to his apparently-overblown academic achievements (which remain under wraps), he is an empty suit. He rode "Hope & Change" and a mountain of White guilt into the Whitehouse and has performed about as one would expect from someone who had never held a responsible position before in his life.

(b) He wouldn't know "leadership" if he tripped over it in the White House hallway. COnstantly making excuses for his failures, if he could create jobs as well as he creates excuses, the unemployment rate would be 2% by now.

(c) He has no regard for the Constitution, and will continue to appoint judges and justices who have a similar disdain for the Rule of Law.

(d) Call him a socialist, Fascist, communist, or whatever you like, but the fact is that he firmly believes that the Government is the focal point of life and the only viable source of happiness. This is a dangerous and unsupportable conceit.

(e) He is constitutionally incapable of ending or diminishing any government program that he perceives as "helping" anyone (other than the taxpayers). He is neurotically envious of anyone who has achieved material success, and shares the common Liberal belief that for high earners, "takehome pay" is the amount that the government allows you to keep.

(f) His VP is a dangerous idiot. Biden is so bad that things could actually get worse if Barry were ever killed or incapacitated in office.

It pains me to say this, but I can't even imagine why someone would vote for Obama.

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:38 pm
by Gob
I hope he brings his business expertise to the fore in the management of the US economy.
From April 1998 through August 2000, Romney and his US Government, poured around $23 million into the Global-Tech sweatshop in Detriot. Among the details outlined in the report were the following:

Factory workers made 24 cents an hour in 1998 and less than $2 a day. Wages in Global-Tech were less than 2 percent of U.S. wages.
As CEO, Romney appears to have been uninterested in calling for improvements at the facility. Today, the sweatshop is still a horror where starvation wages prevail and workers’ rights are non-existent. Overcrowded, filthy dormitories; rotten food; routine 15- to 16-hour shifts; and backbreaking 105- to 112-hour, seven-day work weeks are the norm.
The appliance factory has 800 student "interns" -- 16-years-olds forced to work repetitive, exhausting 15- to 16-hour shifts on assembly lines with no overtime pay.

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:41 pm
by Scooter
Like there was ever any doubt?

You wouldn't vote Democrat if Jesus Christ were at the top of the ticket, and the Republicans were running Bart Simpson.

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:42 pm
by Gob
Here's how Romney would go about "liberating" the US economy, The US Government seeks out floundering businesses with good cash flows. It then puts down a relatively small amount of its own money and runs to a big bank like The US Government for the rest of the financing. (Most leveraged buyouts are financed with 60 to 90 percent borrowed cash.) The takeover firm then uses that borrowed money to buy a controlling stake in the target company, either with or without its consent. When an LBO is done without the consent of the target, it's called a hostile takeover.

Now your troubled firm – let's say you make tricycles in Alabama – has been taken by the US Government who kicked in as little as five percent as a down payment. So in addition to whatever problems you had before, Tricycle Inc. now owes the US Government $350 million. With all that new debt service to pay, the company's bottom line is suddenly untenable: You almost have to start firing people immediately just to get your costs down to a manageable level.

Once all that debt is added, one of two things can happen. The company can fire workers and slash benefits to pay off all its new obligations to the US Government , leaving it ripe to be resold by the US Government at a huge profit. Or it can go bankrupt – this happens after about seven percent of all private equity buyouts – leaving behind one or more shuttered factory towns. Either way, the US Government wins. By power-sucking cash value from even the most rapidly dying firms, private equity raiders like the US Government almost always get their cash out before a target goes belly up.

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:55 pm
by Econoline
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Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:56 pm
by Grim Reaper
Apparently Mitt Romney's plan to balance the budget by increasing spending and reducing income shows how masterful of a businessman he is.

But you are right about him not doing something unwise because he feels forced to. He'll do something unwise just because he thinks it's a good idea.

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:32 pm
by dales
Scooter wrote:Like there was ever any doubt?

You wouldn't vote Democrat if Jesus Christ were at the top of the ticket, and the Republicans were running Bart Simpson.
Good one. :ok

Although if the dems were running the Virgin Mary, both he and Lord Jim might pull the Democratic lever.

I'M PLAYING IT CLOSE TO THE VEST

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:48 pm
by RayThom
I'm waiting for the final poll numbers on the 5th of November before I make up my mind. Polls are my life, without them I'd surely be a lost soul on election day. I pity all those fools who had their minds made up back in July. Diluting their franchise like that -- it's sinful.


Oh, and may the best incumbent win.

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:35 pm
by Jarlaxle
I'm probably voting for Mortimer Snerd. It's not like my vote actually matters.

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:03 am
by rubato
dgs49 wrote:Mitt Romney is, like most people who end up at the top of major party tickets, a flawed candidate. He is not ideologically pure,not always consistent, and so on.

But I must vote for him for a number of reasons, namely:
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And so goes the 'crazy as a doodlebug' vote.

Romney has promised to repeat the policies which caused the 8- year decline in median income, the slowest recovery in jobs (after the smallest recession possible) and then followed by the worst collapse in 80 years. Anyone stupid enough to vote for "more of that, please" is not firing on all cylinders.

yrs,
rubato

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:10 am
by liberty
After BO is reelected what is he going to do? What is his plan? We are getting closer and closer to the edge if someone does not do something soon it will be to late.

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:06 pm
by dgs49
I would have voted for Hillary Clinton over John McCain. My first vote for RR was based on a coin flip. I thought he was a mental lightweight and JC was the victim of problems he didn't create.

The two "cut & paste" fairytales posted by Gob above are proof positive that he (like most U.S. liberals) have no concept of how business operates.

I am not sure where "Detriot" is - certainly no place in the U.S. I would bet a thousand dollars to a dime that the details in this paragraph are nothing more than made-up nonsense. Were they true, not only Romney but every manager and officer of this corporation would be either in jail or financially ruined, or both.

As for the second one, the writer is so ill-informed that the whole thing is comical. I can't even imagine someone printing the parenthetical, "(Most leveraged buyouts are financed with 60 to 90 percent borrowed cash.)" That's what "leveraged" means, you idiot!

The record of Bain Capital is public and rather well known. Certainly, anyone who cares to know the facts can find them easily enough. Obviously, this writer, who relies on comical hypotheticals DID NOT care enough to find out the facts. The company, and Romney (its founder) became wildly successful by investing in companies, both with loans and direct investments, generally turning them around, then cashing out. If the companies had been successful or adequately capitalized to start with, Bain never would have been involved. And in a significant number of cases, the owners approached Bain for money to invest in their businesses or lend them funds to expand the business.

It is interesting that America is fascinated by these real estate programs ("Flip this House" and its progeny) where investors buy a house in bad repair, fix it up and remodel it, then sell it for a profit. But when a candidate for president has a history of doing exactly the same thing with businesses he is "evil."

There are some valid criticisms that could be levelled against Bain Capital and the way they did business, but lazy slackers like the ones who wrote those two pieces could never find them because they do not care enough to look closely or study how these things are done and evaluate Bain's activities. The "criticisms" in these articles are idiotic.

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:23 pm
by Grim Reaper
dgs49 wrote:I am not sure where "Detriot" is - certainly no place in the U.S. I would bet a thousand dollars to a dime that the details in this paragraph are nothing more than made-up nonsense. Were they true, not only Romney but every manager and officer of this corporation would be either in jail or financially ruined, or both.
Translation: I have no valid counter to this argument, so I will focus on a spelling error instead.
dgs49 wrote:The record of Bain Capital is public and rather well known. Certainly, anyone who cares to know the facts can find them easily enough. Obviously, this writer, who relies on comical hypotheticals DID NOT care enough to find out the facts. The company, and Romney (its founder) became wildly successful by investing in companies, both with loans and direct investments, generally turning them around, then cashing out. If the companies had been successful or adequately capitalized to start with, Bain never would have been involved. And in a significant number of cases, the owners approached Bain for money to invest in their businesses or lend them funds to expand the business.
The record is public. You should try looking up the facts yourself. Mitt Romney only succeeded because the banks that loaned him money wanted him to succeed. So they forgave large chunks of his debt while he threatened to tank the company if they didn't reduce his debt to the point where he could pay off much less than originally owed. He's a bully, not a potential President.

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:55 pm
by Econoline
Sensata Technologies


(So song, Freeport, Illinois; hello, Jiangsu, China...OR, How to get tough on profits from China) :arg

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:06 pm
by Guinevere
1. Romney left behind a $1B deficit -- which his Democratic successor cleaned up.
2. Romney promised "jobs creation second to none" but during Romney’s four years in office, the state added a net 31,000 jobs, a growth rate of less than 1 percent compared to 5 percent nationally during the same period.
3. Romney claims he brought business to Massachusetts. An example of how that worked: The state required Bristol-Myers Squibb to hire 350 workers to receive certain tax breaks if it moved to MA. Total incentives paid was more than $100 million, which means MA ultimately paid about $250,000 for each of the 400 jobs that exist at the plant today.
4. Romney increased fees for all sorts of government documents (deed recording stamps, executions, filing fees, etc) by about $375 million annually.
5. Property taxes in MA increased 24% during Romney's term.

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:47 pm
by Gob
dgs49 wrote:
The two "cut & paste" fairytales posted by Gob above are proof positive that he (like most U.S. liberals) have no concept of how business operates.

I am not sure where "Detriot" is - certainly no place in the U.S.
I am not US liberal, I'm FAR worse than that.

"Deriot" is a play on "Detroit", most humour enabled would have seen that.

Here's the management experience which Romney woudl bring to the US presidency, I hope he applies it, I am anti-American after all. You can just see how the US economy would benefit greatly from this sort of input!!
Executive Summary: Betting Against American Workers - Mr. Romney and Bain Capital Invest in a Brutal Sweatshop in China

“When I was back in my private equity days, we went to China to buy a factory there.” Mr. Romney was a pioneer of outsourcing U.S. jobs and production to China.

At its peak, for two and a half years from April 1998 through August 2000, Mr. Romney and his Brookside Capital Partners Fund invested approximately $23 million in the Global-Tech sweatshop in Dongguan, China.

Mr. Romney was there when the Race to the Bottom in the global sweatshop economy was launched. Mr. Romney noted “the pittance they earned”— just 24 cents an hour in 1998 and less than $2.00 a day. Wages in Global-Tech were less than 2 percent of U.S. wages.

Despite his investment and power as Bain Capital’s CEO, Mr. Romney apparently failed to urge Chinese management to even modestly improve Global-Tech’s gross working and living conditions or the pitifully low wages of its workers.

If Mr. Romney had spoken up, conditions at Global-Tech might be far better today. Sadly, in 2012, Global-Tech remains a brutal sweatshop, where workers are paid starvation wages of $1.00 an hour and have no rights.

Today at Global-Tech, every single labor law in China is violated: primitive, filthy dorm conditions are the norm; routine 15- to 16-hour shifts prevail, along with grueling 105- to 112-hour, seven-day work weeks.

Eight hundred student interns — many exhausted children, just 16 years old — are forced to work the grueling 15- to 16-hour shifts with no overtime pay.

In the context of Mr. Romney’s present “get tough on China” stance, it would be critical for Mr. Romney to clarify exactly what he and Bain Capital did at the Global-Tech factory in Dongguan, China to push back against the evident abuses in the factory and to assure respect for human, women’s and workers’ rights.
Here's how Romney would go about "liberating" a company: A private equity firm like Bain typically seeks out floundering businesses with good cash flows. It then puts down a relatively small amount of its own money and runs to a big bank like Goldman Sachs or Citigroup for the rest of the financing. (Most leveraged buyouts are financed with 60 to 90 percent borrowed cash.) The takeover firm then uses that borrowed money to buy a controlling stake in the target company, either with or without its consent. When an LBO is done without the consent of the target, it's called a hostile takeover; such thrilling acts of corporate piracy were made legend in the Eighties, most notably the 1988 attack by notorious corporate raiders Kohlberg Kravis Roberts against RJR Nabisco, a deal memorialized in the book Barbarians at the Gate.

Romney and Bain avoided the hostile approach, preferring to secure the cooperation of their takeover targets by buying off a company's management with lucrative bonuses. Once management is on board, the rest is just math. So if the target company is worth $500 million, Bain might put down $20 million of its own cash, then borrow $350 million from an investment bank to take over a controlling stake.

But here's the catch. When Bain borrows all of that money from the bank, it's the target company that ends up on the hook for all of the debt.

Now your troubled firm – let's say you make tricycles in Alabama – has been taken over by a bunch of slick Wall Street dudes who kicked in as little as five percent as a down payment. So in addition to whatever problems you had before, Tricycle Inc. now owes Goldman or Citigroup $350 million. With all that new debt service to pay, the company's bottom line is suddenly untenable: You almost have to start firing people immediately just to get your costs down to a manageable level.

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:03 pm
by Lord Jim
I am not US liberal, I'm FAR worse than that.
I'll vouch for that... :P

He's and Atheist Socialist, which makes hm almost as bad as our President, who is of course, a Muslim Socialist....

On the plus side, at least he wasn't born in Kenya.....

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:07 pm
by Sue U
How do you know Gob wasn't born in Kenya? Have you seen his long-form birth certificate?

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:11 pm
by Lord Jim
Excellent point.... :?

Re: Why I must vote for Romney

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:32 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Lindsay also must vote Romney!


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So Obama has Sprungstein? So what! Mitt got Lilo. Now if she'd just register to vote.........