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I am more convinced today than I was....

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some 18 months ago when this whole process began, that tomorrow, Barack Hussein Obama, (albeit by the narrowest of margins) will be re-elected as the 44th President Of The United States....

I say this with no great joy...

I think I've made pretty clear where I stand on the race politically; but when I've got my Political Analyst Hat on, (as opposed to my Party HatImage) I try to call balls and strikes as I see 'em...

What has convinced me, in boring down into all the "battleground" state poll numbers that the odds are now at least 70-30 (as opposed to the 60-40 number I've stuck with for over a year ) that Obama will be re-elected, boil down to several key factors:

1. Romney is not going to win Ohio.

Despite all the time and treasure the Romney campaign and it's allies have expended in Ohio, he cannot seem to get the rebound amongst white working class voters that he's gotten in virtually every other region of the country that he has enjoyed since the first Debate...(even in states like California, where he has no prayer of winning, but where Obama's lead has been cut from the mid 20's to 14% in the latest Pew Poll)

There's only one logical reason for this; his position on the auto bailout...(he's had the same problem in Michigan, but Michigan is not mission critical for his path to 270)

2. After a while, "margin of error" starts to look like a ceiling....

It's true that Romney is within 3 points, (margin of error) in a number of RCP poll averages in a number of key battle ground states...

But the problem is, he has been on the losing end of those 2-3 point margins consistently for a number of months....(Where this has not been the case...like Florida, North Carolina, and probably Virginia, I expect Romney will win...but there are too many other "toss up" states...especially Ohio...where his final poll numbers will represent a ceiling he cannot over come)

3. Where is the candidate?

At this point in the election, (and for the past few days) you can tell alot about what a campaign really expects based on where they choose to put their most precious commodity...which at this point in the race is their candidate's time...(these are the decisions that a campaign makes based on it's last, best, internal polling)

Mitt Romney hasn't been running around Pennsylvania for the past few days because he figures he's got Ohio in the bag and he's trying to run up the score....(His final campaign appearance will be tomorrow in Pittsburgh)

He's doing it because his team realizes he's got systemic problems with white working class voters in Ohio, and they're trying to cobble together another path to 270 without Ohio....

(The problem with this strategy is that Romney has almost no ground game in Pennsylvania; certainly nothing that matches the Democratic machine in Philly and the surrounding suburbs)

4. The ground game.

In battle ground state after battle ground state, regardless of what the national or even state polls say, Team Obama has the Romney forces out manned and out gunned on the ground...

Choose your criteria....

Early voting, precinct organization, volunteers, local offices...

Romney's got a better ground organization than McCain did, but nothing like what Rove and Co. put together for GWB in '04....

But doing better than John McCain, doesn't win you the Presidency....

Conclusion:

Romney will do considerably better than John McCain did in "08...

Hell, he might even run up big enough numbers in some states to win the national popular vote...

But at the end of the day, Barack Obama will be re-elected with somewhere between 278 and 320 electoral votes....
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None of this of course means Romney can't win....

It just makes it extremely unlikely....

Two things to look for early tomorrow night:

If Obama is declared the winner in Florida, it's game, set match....there's no way Romney can win without Florida...

If, on the other hand, Romney is declared the winner in Pennsylvania, that will mean there was a huge shift of the remaining undecided vote to Romney (something on the order of the 1980 election; and there's no evidence to suggest Romney has that sort of momentum working for him, but hey, it could happen)

Then Romney will almost certainly win the election, because it's difficult to posit a scenario where Romney wins Pennsylvania but doesn't carry enough votes in states like New Hampshire, Colorado and Nevada to break 270...(even if he doesn't get Ohio)
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It aint over 'til the fat lady sings...
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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I think his cynical Chrysler is sending jobs to china ploy sealed his fate.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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I think his cynical Chrysler is sending jobs to china ploy sealed his fate.
That bit of foolishness may have done him in in Ohio...

It certainly seems to have put Michigan out of reach....
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I think that when Mitt looks back on this, (assuming he loses) he will see his greatest single mistake being his decision to come out against the auto bail out...

He didn't need to do it....

He could have assuaged the right wing of the GOP on a host of other issues, without that one, and still won the nomination...(especially against the collection of clown car and self destructive candidates he was facing)

But if you look at the numbers, it's inescapable....

If Romney was enjoying the same percentage of white working class voters that he has nationally in Ohio, he'd be up by a consistent 5 points there, and headed to a sure victory in the state....

He isn't, and the only way to explain that is what he said on the auto bailout (not just because of the number of auto workers in Ohio, but also because of the number of supporting businesses in the state)
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the sad thing is Im sure before that bit of foolishness he had the broad support of the White Collar Automotive sector. (The automakers weren't taking sides for the sake of Obama I can assure you)

You do know of course, Now, even if Romney wins by your own arguments he won't be legitimate since there is no way in hell that he's winning either of his "home" states. ;)
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Romney was too easy a target for every left leaning commentator from the off. He then managed to help them out by continually shooting himself in the foot all along the way. (Binders full of women, the 47%, Clint and his chair, etc.)
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Only 70-30 Jim? Last I saw, Nate Silver, the internet's girlfriend, was giving Obama a better-than 83% chance of winning. 8-)
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Lord Jim wrote:I think that when Mitt looks back on this, (assuming he loses) he will see his greatest single mistake being his decision to come out against the auto bail out...
I think it was an attempt at the old Rovian Battle plan than anything else. After all the Auto bail out is the one major untainted Obama success. If he could ave masde that look bad he'd have won in a landslide.

But of course it's hard to make the saving of tens of thousands of direct jobs and untold amounts of feeder jobs all for a small fraction of what it cost to save Wall Street look bad. In fact this was just compounded by the fact that Mitt was for the latter but poo-pooed the former.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Sue U wrote:Only 70-30 Jim? Last I saw, Nate Silver, the internet's girlfriend, was giving Obama a better-than 83% chance of winning. 8-)
Oh hai, today it's 91.4%.
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Romney was too easy a target for every left leaning commentator from the off.
Well with all due respect Old Darling, if Romney loses this election, it won't be because of the opinion of "left leaning commentators" (especially from across The Pond.... :P )

It will be because he failed to make the case with enough persuadable voters in Middle America that Obama has failed so badly that it was worth taking a chance on him as a replacement ....

That's what Mr. Reagan did in 1980, and he won 489 Electoral votes...but I don't see that on the cards for Mr. Romney....
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What does the octopus say?

He's dead! :(
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BUSH-CHRISTIE 2016!

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Oh god, another joke team Jim? Can't republicans pick, you know, human beings, for their candidates? ;)
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oh god, another joke team Jim? Can't republicans pick, you know, human beings, for their candidates?
Jeb Bush and Chris Christie wouldn't be a "joke team", Strop...

They would be quite formidable.... ;) :ok
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I want Obama to win, Jim.

Only because I truly believe in the long run it would be better for me and you.

It's not just because I want to be on the winning side.

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Joe, I want the world to be a better place for my children...

That's what really matters to me...

In looking at both of these candidates, and what they are likely to offer over the next four years...

I have never been more depressed than I am today about the choice I am facing in tomorrows election...

(tomorrow, I will cast the most unenthusiastic vote I have cast in 32 years...)

But I am absolutely convinced that in "the grand sweep of things", "this too shall pass"...

And that things will work out for best for The Warrior Princess and The Little Prince...

And in the final analysis, that's all that matters... :ok
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Joe Guy wrote:I want Obama to win, Jim.

Only because I truly believe in the long run it would be better for me and you.

It's not just because I want to be on the winning side.
Evil of two lessers.

Pathetic choice, indeed.

eta: This shall pass as did Jimmy Carter or a large kidney stone. :mrgreen:

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Evil of two lessers.
Yes, but unfortunately, life is all about choosing between "the lesser of two evils".....

(As I used to point out to jay when he he would make the Libertarian argument that "the lesser of two evils is still evil",...Ah yes, but "the lesser of two evils is still lesser..... 8-) "
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