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"Its a gift"
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:17 pm
by rubato
Yet another example of Republican racism dropped in the public sphere like an Irish Setter leaving a dog bomb on your porch.
Romney says that Obama bribed the coloreds and that's how he won. As opposed to his own "lets bribe the wealthy with more money than they can imagine" strategy or BushCo's "lets rape the rest of the country on behalf of the oil and gas industry" strategy.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-offers-oliv ... itics.html
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But even as Obama extended something of an olive branch - which some skeptics saw as disingenuous - Romney was reportedly accusing the president of doling out "gifts" to minority voters to curry their support for a second term.
"The President's campaign focused on giving targeted groups a big gift-so he made a big effort on small things," Romney told donors on a conference call, first reported by Maeve Reston of the L.A. Times. "Those small things, by the way, add up to trillions of dollars."
Romney claimed Obama had been "very generous" to blacks, Hispanics and younger voters, according to the Times, insisting that the policy decisions had been a decisive factor in high turnout that tipped the scale against him.
"I am very sorry that we didn't win. I know that you expected to win," Romney reportedly said. "We expected to win…. It was very close, but close doesn't count in this business."
Several participants on the call confirmed to ABC News the account and quotes presented by the L.A. Times.
Senior Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod responded to the "gifts" remark by accusing Romney of "still looking at America through that 47 percent prism."
"Mitt tells donors the takers did him in," Axelrod wrote on Twitter, referencing Romney's remarks earlier this year disparaging 47 percent of Americans as self-perceived "victims" and government dependents.
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yrs,
rubato
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:23 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
So, all repubs are bad and all dems are good.
Is that your position?
What about liberals and conservatives?
Or the Greens?
Do we just go and label everyone by the parties platform?
Are you "lock step" with the dems platform as you label all repubs as being lock step with the repub platform?
narrow thinking if you ask me. But you didn't so disregard at your liesure.
ETA
I am an independent (aka, no party)
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:37 pm
by dales
As I have state repeatedly: rube has a hard time with ambiguity. In his mind it is a simple dichtomy of "us" vs. "them". One is either all good or all bad. Hence: the "dems are good" and the "reps are bad" analogy.
Childish way of seeing the world.
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:50 pm
by Lord Jim
SSDD....
He's a broken record...
Childish way of seeing the world.
It's all he's capable of...
Rube simply does not have the mental capacity for complex reasoning; he's demonstrated that over, and over, and over....
This is the reason, (well, one of the reasons) that his claims to be a "scientist", (much less an "inventor") are such a complete joke....(I just about busted a gut the other day when I saw Dave seeking rube's expertise as an "inventor"

Dave's not usually that naive....)
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:41 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
At least in the electronics field, I have found very few (in fact no) "single" inventors. Most inventions (aka patent applications/grants) are from a team of people, with each getting their name, along with the funding company, on the patent. I have about 15 patents with my name on them. Of course I signed away any rights to financially benefit from those patents when I signed on with the company. But that's ok, they provided my salary and plenty of funds for developing that technology. I could not have done it on my own.
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:22 pm
by Gob
Perhaps they include retard's name on the patent, as without his due diligence in keeping the equipment, benches and toilets clean, the experiments would fail.

Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:28 pm
by Lord Jim
If one reads between the lines of what rube has posted on the subject over the years, (as opposed to taking his puffed up bragartly claims at face value) a fairly clear picture of rube's professional situation emerges....
Apparently he works for a chemistry R&D firm as some sort of lab/research assistant. (a while back, he posted an example of the kind of donkey work research assignments he gets.) It's a good deal for both rube and the company for several reasons:
For rube, as a scientist wannabe, it gives him the chance to hang around with real scientists, and inflate what he actually does. For the company, they probably get to pay rube somewhat less than they would have to pay someone else to deal with the drudgery, (since rube doesn't actually have to make enough money to support himself.) Also most people doing the job rube does would probably just see it as a stepping stone to gain experience to go on to something with more prestige, and probably wouldn't stay very long. But since in rube's case the job stretches his abilities and qualifications to their outermost limits, he has no intention of going on to anything else.
Another way this works out well for both rube and the company involves his hours; apparently they don't have enough of the kind of work rube does to be able to cover a consistent full time position. We can tell this from the fact that rube has told us that he's not allowed to go on the internet during work hours, (another indication of his status in the pecking order, and the level of close supervision he's subjected to.) and yet he frequently posts during what would be considered normal business hours. The company apparently doesn't want to hire somebody full time to do what rube does, and rube doesn't need a full time income; just the chance to make a little pocket money and get out of the house. Again, a good deal for both.
It also seems to be the case that part of the way the company rube works for compensates it's employees is to toss them some sort of bonus whenever the company obtains a new patent, no matter how low ranking that employee may be. (This is why rube is able to talk in some detail about these patents occasionally; they probably send a company email around about it when they get one.)
Ordinarily my policy is to take at face value and accept as true the claims that most folks make about themselves in these forums, unless they are making claims that are wildly inconsistent with what I can tell about them from reading what they have posted. To illustrate what I'm talking about:
For example, we have a number of folks here who say they are lawyers, and in no case that I can think of have I ever had the slightest doubt that those claiming that were being truthful. On the other hand, if Captain Ray had claimed to be a neurosurgeon, or if pexxa had claimed to be the chairman of a University English Department....
Well...
I might have viewed those claims askance....
That's exactly the kind of disconnect that I see between rube's claims to be a "scientist" or an "inventor" and what I have learned about his abilities from what he has posted over the years....
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:42 pm
by Gob
Let's not forget; "Essentially, egocentric children believe that those who have a different perception than their own are either considered false or nonexistent."
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:13 pm
by Andrew D
Huh?
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:40 am
by rubato
Unable to respond to the substance? What?
Morons, liars and trolls.
yrs,
rubato
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:44 am
by Gob
Substance = "ooh another article that I agree with, it must be right".
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:00 am
by rubato
And the opening post in this thread says ... what?
You pathetic moron. Twy twy twy to make sense?
yrs,
rubato
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:12 am
by Gob
Are you telling me you do not agree with the sentiments in the OP retard?
Try thinking outside of your comfort zone for once, be a man.
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:20 am
by rubato
Cogency is beyond you? Well too bad.
Try again later on?
yrs,
rubato
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:28 am
by Gob
The question was; "Are you telling me you do not agree with the sentiments in the OP retard? "
Care to answer?
We all know that thinking beyond your own (lack of) experience and ideas is beyond you, so why not fess up to it?
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:21 pm
by Lord Jim
This was just another of your troll-crap threads from the very beginning rube; you got exactly the responses you deserve.
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:51 pm
by Joe Guy
I think Romney is a sore loser and wants to say things while people are still listening to him. Eventually he will fade away from the national spotlight and go back to spending his time counting his money and rich friends.
Also, I don't recall... did I ever mention that I'm a brain surgeon?
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:57 pm
by Big RR
Aren't most politicians sore losers? Oh, they'll mouth the polite congratulations, but they do need someone to blame for the loss--their egos won't let them believe their failings were behind it. What else would you expect Romney to say?
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:05 pm
by Scooter
The people have spoken, maybe? Or he could have echoed Scott Walker, who said the GOP had a good message that they were unable to communicate effectively. The first thing that came to mind when I heard Romney's comment was Jacques Parizeau, then premier of Quebec, reacting to the loss of the sovereigntist side in the 1995 referendum by blaming "money and the ethnic vote", for which he was justly excoriated by all sides. At least Parizeau had the excuse of being drunk at the time.
Re: "Its a gift"
Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:59 pm
by Lord Jim
I think that with this latest boneheaded move Romney has done the party a real favor. He has created an opportunity for it's leaders to put distance between themselves and his whole Thurston Howell routine:
Christie, Martinez take issue with Romney’s ‘gift’ remarks
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) and New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez (R) criticized Mitt Romney’s remark to donors this week that he lost the election because President Obama handed out “gifts” to certain parts of the electorate, becoming the latest Republicans to take issue with the former GOP presidential nominee’s comments.
“That unfortunately is what sets us back as a party — our comments that are not thought through carefully,” Martinez said at the Republican Governors Association meeting in Las Vegas, according to Yahoo News.
In a Friday morning interview on MSNBC, Christie said he agreed with the other Republicans who have said that Romney’s remark was wrong, but didn’t appear to want to pile on too much. ”Do I wish he hadn’t said those things? Of course. But on the other hand, I’m not going to bury the guy for it,” Christie said.
Earlier this week, two other prominent Republicans, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, both criticized Romney’s remark.
“We need to stop being a dumb party, and that means more than stop making dumb comments,” Jindal said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ele ... t-remarks/
Newser) – It looks like Mitt Romney's parting shot—attributing Barack Obama's win to the "gifts" he offered minorities and the young—is the gift that keeps on giving for Democrats, as Republicans around the country hurried to distance themselves from their former nominee's comment. Prominent GOP governors attending yesterday's Republican Governors Association were lining up to repudiate the line, using much stronger language than they did after Romney's famous "47%" video during the campaign, notes Politico. Among the more recent reactions, from the GOP and the media:
"It's wrong, it's not true," said Florida Gov. Rick Scott. "What we've got to do is say we want every vote, we want to take care of every citizen in our state."
"What the voters are looking for us to do is to accept their votes and go forward," said Sen. Kelly Ayotte. "I don't know the full context of [Romney's comments] but I don’t agree with them."
"I guess my feeling is that we need to turn the page, and we need to focus on the future and not make excuses for the past," said Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad.
"The prevailing opinion among ... the professional political ranks of the Republican party ... is that there is much work to be done and that Romney will have a hand in almost none of it. Put more simply: Thanks for playing. Now go away," writes Chris Cillizza for the Washington Post.
"It’s not too much to say that Romney is now uniting the country across party lines," writes Josh Marshall for TPM. But what they're in agreement about is "that he’s someone who should leave as soon as possible and not say anything publicly again. Actually scratch that. Democrats are starting to think that having Romney around and continuing to dump on a broad range of Americans might be pretty awesome."
http://www.newser.com/story/157726/gop- ... mment.html
Rising stars in the GOP are quickly moving to distance themselves from Mitt Romney, since they only have 1,454 to do so before the 2016 election. Bobby Jindal kicked things off on Wednesday, saying Mitt Romney was "absolutely wrong" when he explained earlier this week that he only lost the election because of President Obama's "gifts" to women, minorities, and young people (which are sometimes referred to as "policies that improve Americans' lives.") On Thursday during the annual Republican Governors Association meeting, other GOP leaders tried to catch up. Florida Governor Rick Scott told Politico that Romney's comments were "inappropriate," adding, "It’s wrong, it’s not true." Iowa Governor Terry Branstad remarked, “I don’t think it’s helpful," and said it's time to stop making excuses. However,
Jindal wasn't finished. On Thursday, he expanded his criticism of Romney's remarks, telling CNN's Wolf Blitzer that Republicans won't win elections by "insulting voters." “If you want voters to like you, the first thing you’ve got to do is to like them first," said Jindal. "And it’s certainly not helpful to tell voters that you think their votes were bought. That’s certainly not a way to show them you respect them, you like them.”
Two senators and former Romney surrogates joined in the chorus of criticism, though they tried to soften the blow. "I don’t want to rebut him point by point,"
Marco Rubio told Politico. "I would just say to you, I don’t believe that we have millions and millions of people in this country that don’t want to work. I’m not saying that’s what he said. I think we have millions of people in this country that are out of work and are dependent on the government because they can't find a job." Kelly Ayotte said on MSNBC that though she doesn't know the full context, "I don’t agree with the comments." She added that Republicans need to focus on the future, saying, "I think the campaign is over, and what the voters are looking for us to do is to accept their votes and then go forward, and we’ve got some big challenges that need to be resolved.”
Picking apart Romney's postelection recap is awkward for some Republican leaders since they were much more forgiving when Romney expressed the same sentiments in the "47 percent" video. On Meet the Press in September, Ayotte downplayed Romney's comments, saying, “That certainly was a political analysis at a fund-raiser, but it’s not a governing philosophy." At the time Rubio said he merely wished Romney had framed his remarks “in a different way.”
New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez has been more consistent in her opinion of those who are allegedly mooching of the government. Amid the "47 percent" controversy she said she was happy there's a safety net for those living at the poverty level because they, "count just as much as anybody else." On Thursday after the conference, she reiterated that it was a "ridiculous statement to make," and said of Romney's latest, and possibly final gaffe, "That unfortunately is what sets us back as a party — our comments that are not thought through carefully." As a member of two groups Republicans hope to woo, it's likely they'll be paying close attention to her analysis — though it seems the bit about thinking before speaking hasn't sunk in yet.
Haley Barbour, the former governor of Mississippi, said at the Republican conference, “We’ve got to give our political organization a very serious proctology exam. We need to look everywhere.”
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/go ... marks.html