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Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:51 pm
by dales
US deploys aircraft carrier to South Korea
By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer
Monday, July 19, 2010
(07-19) 10:13 PDT l d WASHINGTON, (AP) --
The U.S. is sending the massive aircraft carrier the USS George Washington to South Korea this week, the military announced Monday.
The deployment is considered a show of force in the wake of the sinking of a South Korean warship last March that killed 46 sailors. South Korea and an international team of investigators have blamed North Korea for the attack.
The carrier was expected to be in South Korea's port of Busan by Wednesday and could participate in an upcoming military exercise.
The nuclear powered carrier, one of the world's largest warships, will be accompanied by three destroyers — the McCampbell, the John S. McCain and the Lassen.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton were expected to announce more details this week about the upcoming joint military exercise. Gates and Clinton were visiting Seoul to meet with their South Korean counterparts.
The military exercise and deployment of the George Washington has been under discussion since shortly after the March attack on the South Korean navy vessel, the Cheonan.
The Cheonan's sinking was considered South Korea's worst military disaster since the Korean War , which ended in a cease-fire in 1953. No formal peace treaty was ever signed, and more than 28,000 U.S. troops remain stationed in the south with a vow to protect its critical ally.
The deployment of the aircraft carrier could be seen by North Korea as a particularly aggressive move by the United States because of the ship's sheer size. According to a Navy website, the George Washington is 244 feet high from keel to mast and can accommodate some 6,250 crew members.

Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:08 pm
by Lord Jim
The deployment of the aircraft carrier could be seen by North Korea as a particularly aggressive move by the United States because of the ship's sheer size. According to a Navy website, the George Washington is 244 feet high from keel to mast and can accommodate some 6,250 crew members
Yes, and George is probably not traveling alone:
And an assortment of submarines.....
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:13 pm
by Sue U
The George Washington is not nuclear-armed. It has a Westinghouse nuclear propulsion system, which means only that it will virtually never need refueling.
It is big, however, and can carry a lot of aircraft and crew.
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:30 pm
by loCAtek
The official term is 'Forward Presence' ...and we do it all the time.
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:40 pm
by Lord Jim
A Nimitz Class Carrier Task Force Group brings an impressive array of weaponry to the party...
In addition to the fire power on the ships that accompany it, the carrier itself comes equipped with a full squadron of F-18's...
And a compliment of 5000 well trained heavily armed marines that can be landed any where, any time.
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:56 pm
by Rick
Sue U wrote:The George Washington is not nuclear-armed. It has a Westinghouse nuclear propulsion system, which means only that it will virtually never need refueling.
It is big, however, and can carry a lot of aircraft and crew.
Believe me there are NUKEs onboard.
I'm not talking about power plants...
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:12 pm
by Lord Jim
Any
one of these Task Force Groups could militarily defeat the armed forces of 90% of the countries on the planet today....
And we have
ten of them, on active duty...
Now,
who was it that "rules the waves" again?

Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:31 pm
by Big RR
You know, I can think of a lot of presidents who should have been impeached, from LBJ on, for not deploying these to defeat the armed forces of the puny countries we were "at war" with; indeed, with the exception of Gulf War 1, I can't think of a "war" since WW2 we have won (I don't count the battle of Grenada as a war), achieving our objectives and bringing our soldiers home. Would that it were that simple.
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:47 pm
by Lord Jim
You know, I can think of a lot of presidents who should have been impeached, from LBJ on, for not deploying these to defeat the armed forces of the puny countries we were "at war" with;
I said
"militarily" Big RR...
Not
politically....
Whole nuther kettle of fish...
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:55 pm
by Lord Jim
A Nimitz Class Carrier Task Force Group brings an impressive array of weaponry to the party...
In addition to the fire power on the ships that accompany it, the carrier itself comes equipped with a full squadron of F-18's...
And a compliment of 5000 well trained heavily armed marines that can be landed any where, any time.
Oh, and I believe I forgot to mention the cruise missiles...
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:20 pm
by Gob
Biggest bully in the playground eh Jim?

Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:48 pm
by Lord Jim
Biggest bully in the playground eh Jim?
More like "the cop on the beat" Strop...
One thing that always amuses me is when folks say:
"We can't be the world's policeman"
My response to that is....
Why not?
The world
needs a policeman...
The world is full of drunken countries , burglar countries, and second story men countries...countries that will smack you upside the head and steal your wallet....
Somebody needs to make the world do Sunday to Monday....
The Brits used to be "the world's policemen"....
But they no longer have the resources, so its fallen to us...
It's a big job, but somebody's got to do it....

Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:53 am
by dales
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:41 am
by loCAtek
Lord Jim wrote:A Nimitz Class Carrier Task Force Group brings an impressive array of weaponry to the party...
In addition to the fire power on the ships that accompany it, the carrier itself comes equipped with a full squadron of F-18's...
And a compliment of 5000 well trained heavily armed marines that can be landed any where, any time.
Oh, and I believe I forgot to mention the cruise missiles...
...and the Harriers!
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:40 pm
by Rick
No Harrier on a carrier...
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:17 pm
by loCAtek
loCAtek wrote:The official term is 'Forward Presence' ...and we do it all the time.
In Naval History, the first such mission was;
The Great White Fleet was the popular nickname for the United States Navy battle fleet that completed a circumnavigation of the globe from 16 December 1907 to 22 February 1909 by order of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt. It consisted of 16 battleships divided into four squadrons, along with various escorts. Roosevelt sought to demonstrate growing American military power and blue-water navy capability.
The first fleet to be lead by an Aircraft Carrier was;
Aug. 6 - Oct. 4, 1946 - USS Franklin D. Roosevelt (CVB 42) deploys to the Mediterranean Sea. The carrier makes a port visit at Athens, reemphasizing U.S. support of the pro-Western Greek government, involved in a civil war against Communist insurgents.
This was the earliest example of forward presence.
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:16 am
by liberty
Lord Jim wrote:A Nimitz Class Carrier Task Force Group brings an impressive array of weaponry to the party...
In addition to the fire power on the ships that accompany it, the carrier itself comes equipped with a full squadron of F-18's...
And a compliment of 5000 well trained heavily armed marines that can be landed any where, any time.
I love you Jim, but I have to disagree. It doesn’t matter how big a taskforce is or how many troops or plans it has. A carrier on the bottom of the ocean can’t launch aircraft and five thousand troops, even highly discipline and trained marines, are not that many. In war, there are no certainties.
Look at a map of North Korea and it’s military and then tell me if is a nut you want to try to crack. It would be possible if we had the same power and we were not the United States.
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:43 am
by dales
Re: Speak Softly But Carry A Big (Nuclear-Armed) Stick!
Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:13 am
by liberty
dales wrote:
You know things can happen. The North Korean might see it as a provocation.
I wouldn’t act unless I was willing to carry through and bring hell to earth. But at the moment the last thing we need is another front.