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Then this clown is Ernst Stavro Blofeld...
Smoke Gets in Your Rights

California Assemblyman Marc Levine, D-San Rafael, has introduced a bill to make it illegal for people to smoke in their own homes — if they live in an apartment or a condo or a multifamily home. When last I wrote about Levine, he was pushing a statewide law to require grocers to charge for bags. Now he's after cigarettes — but only the legal kind. With his new AB 746, Levine is following a trail blazed by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who pushed a law prohibiting the restaurant sale of large sugary drinks, which a New York judge overturned.

One politician thinks he has the right to tell New Yorkers what they can put in their stomachs. Another thinks he has the right to outlaw Californians smoking in the sanctity of their own homes. These two must think they are gods or kings. Or dictators.

They know what's best for you, so they feel free to force you to behave — for your own good.

"I've got to defend my children and yours and do what's right to save lives. Obesity kills. There's no question it kills," quoth Bloomberg in defense of his erstwhile ban on Big Gulps. Never mind that people could purchase two drinks if they wanted to get around the law. Why even bother?

I asked Levine whether he has any qualms about passing a law that tells people what they cannot do in their own homes. Offenders would be subject to a $100 fine.

"When you think about this issue, we send our children to school in a smoke-free environment," he answered. "Our offices are protected by workplace laws, and where we should feel safest to breathe clean air, in our own homes, is the last unprotected place from secondhand smoke."

In other words: No. Because smoke can leach from one apartment to another and secondhand smoke can kill, Levine said, he is standing up for families who don't want smoking neighbors (whether nonsmoking families want him to or not).

Levine did add that his bill would allow apartment dwellers to smoke in "designated" smoking areas.
But those areas, if they qualified, would be outdoors — outside one's home.

Observe, please, how Bloomberg and Levine have chosen the easiest targets a politician can pick on — fat people and smokers. Not that they would call them fat people and point with derision. No, they moan about the ill effects of obesity on health. Ditto smoking.

These guys wouldn't dream of restricting the rights of people who engage in risky behavior that is popular. I asked Levine: Would his bill apply to people smoking medical marijuana?

"That's not covered in this," Levine responded. "I am much more concerned with cancer-causing secondhand smoke than cancer-easing medical marijuana."

That's interesting. According to the American Lung Association, "marijuana smoke contains a greater amount of carcinogens than tobacco smoke." What about all those apartment-dwelling children who risk being exposed to secondhand marijuana smoke? That's different.


Will his bill pass? Levine answered, "Whether it passes today or not, it will pass soon." And: "We already have a law that says if you're driving in a car with minors, you can't smoke."

That's how governments take away liberty. First it's in restaurants, and then it's at work. Then they hit your personal space — a car with kids. People get used to the restrictions, and once a ban applies to one venue, it seems natural to expand it to others. Now a California lawmaker wants to make it illegal for people to smoke in their homes. What next?

Email Debra J. Saunders at dsaunders@sfchronicle.com. To find out more about Debra J. Saunders and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at http://www.creators.com.
This Levine is character is a classic example of the sort of person who no free society should allow to get within 100 miles of a legislative seat.

If there's anything worse than an arrogant, control-freak prig sitting around rubbing his hands with glee as he uses whatever small amount of brain wattage he has to try and come up with new ways to invade and control the lives of free citizens, it's an arrogant, control-freak prig sitting around rubbing his hands with glee as he uses whatever small amount of brain wattage he has to try and come up with new ways to invade and control the lives of free citizens, who also happens to be an ignorant moron....

This tool is perfectly free believe any ignorant thing he wants to, but the problem is that as a member of the state legislature, he has the potential to inflict his stupidity on others...

This paper bag business is a classic case in point. We already have this fascist regulation in San Fran, (thanks to the efforts of our own control-freak idiot, Ross Mirkarimi, who came up with this while on the Board of Stupidvisors, and who later got elected sheriff :loon :o . He was yanked from that job by the mayor following a domestic abuse conviction, but was then re-instated as a result of the votes of four of his fellow idiot former colleagues on the board.)

The dime a bag rule has resulted in the disappearance of hand baskets from the local supermarkets, (people are walking out with them) and an increase in the sale of plastic bags....

In our case, the dime a bag thing is just an insulting poke in the eye every time we shop, but now the idiots are talking about raising it to 25 cents per bag. (We currently use these paper bags as trash can liners for a number of the trash cans in our house, as well as other purposes like collecting kitty litter and charcoal dust from the barbecue, but if they go to a quarter a bag it will be cheaper to go back to buying the Glad plastic bags for these purposes. So rather than have paper bags that get re-used for a second purpose before being discarded, we will be using plastic bags one time and then throwing them away. And I know I'm not alone.)

Laying aside the fact that with their commissar mentalities they have nothing but contempt for the principle of individual freedom, these buffoons are also simply too stupid to understand human nature or the law of unintended consequences. So rather than seeing the error of their ways and revoking this moronic bag fee, their mindless control freak impulses cause them to reflexively want to double down on stupid by raising it.... :roll: :loon

This is similar to what they achieved in my case regarding the purchase of pipe tobacco. For years I bought it at local supermarkets and drug stores, paying their ever more exorbitant punitive taxes, simply because of the convenience. But eventually with the passage a moronic behavior control ordinance that banned the sale of tobacco products anywhere there was a pharmacy, (brilliant "logic" that) they created a situation where I would now have to drive across town for the privilege of paying their huge taxes.

This was a bridge too far . So they have now screwed themselves out of the tax revenue, as I switched to buying my tobacco online and having it delivered to my door for about half of what I was previously paying. (It would be interesting to see a study on what the impact of this particular bit of legislative stupidity has been on tobacco sales tax revenue overall in the city. If it's way down, the idiots are probably stupid enough to think it's because the law caused lots of people to quit smoking. :lol: )

These moronic micro-managing busy-body weasels ought to be swept from office, every last one of them.
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If I recall correctly, Belmont, my snobby neighbor two cities to the north of me, has had a no smoking law just like that one in effect for 3 or 4 years.

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I grew up in Belmont.

It began to turn into a snob haven back in the late 1970's.

When I do visit, I make sure to light up a fag while walking through Carlmont Shopping Center.

Fcuk 'em....let 'em bust me! :arg

PS: Belmont resident 1958-1984

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Joe or Dale, you don't happen to know the current status the court challenge to that bit of arrogant idiocy in Belmont do you? (I can think of several ways in which that could easily be struck down as unconstitutional...)
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No matter if someone is in their own home or outdoors they have no inherent right to pollute the air other people have to breathe. No more than if they kept rotting animal carcasses around or burned piles of wet brush. What the boundaries ought to be is a matter of legitimate debate. What level of harm is low enough that someone should be told they just have to put up with it? Is a bad smell ok if it changes the death rate only slightly? What if the small causes immediate vomiting? What if it is so bad you can't sell your home or it reduces the price?

The history of modern civil society is the history of understanding what these boundaries ought to be.

In this case tobacco smokers are addicts and thus lower-functioning mentally and morally than a normal person; made worse by the restricted oxygen uptake and chronic CO2 poisoning. They are apt to think that their addiction confers a 'right', that smoking is a form of free speech. But as an optimist I hold firm the hope that like other polluters they are trainable with the appropriate application of positive and negative incentives and patient education.


The strong connection with mental illness suggests that compassion is indicated in the development of inducements.:

http://www.nber.org/digest/apr02/w8699.html
"... Mental Illness and Substance Abuse

"When other factors are held constant, mental illness does increase use of addictive goods -- relative to use by the overall population -- by 20 percent for alcohol, 27 percent for cocaine, and 86 percent for cigarettes." ... A history of mental illness increases participation (relative to participation in the overall population) by 25 percent for alcohol, 69 percent for cocaine, and 94 percent for cigarettes. ... "


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Lord Jim wrote:Joe or Dale, you don't happen to know the current status the court challenge to that bit of arrogant idiocy in Belmont do you? (I can think of several ways in which that could easily be struck down as unconstitutional...)
I haven't followed it. I just did a very brief Google search and all the articles I found were a few years old.

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rubato wrote:In this case tobacco smokers are addicts and thus lower-functioning mentally and morally than a normal person; made worse by the restricted oxygen uptake and chronic CO2 poisoning. They are apt to think that their addiction confers a 'right', that smoking is a form of free speech...

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Gee whiz, rube speaks up for the right of arrogant, condescending elitists to micro-manage and dictate to those who engage in behavior he doesn't approve of, even to the point of telling them what they can and can not do in their own homes....

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God, what a maroon.... :lol:
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Yeah, he is rather stupid.

God made him that way.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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He didn't even need to smoke to get that way....it just came naturally....
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Here's the really disturbing (or amusing, or frightening; take your pick) thing...

The people who believe themselves to be so much smarter than the average person that they should have the right to force others to live the way they say they should, are usually at the lowest ends of the intelligence and judgement scales....(this is certainly the true in the case both this Levine character and our dear rube...) They are also generally among the least knowledgable, about pretty much anything....

Unfortunately they are so stupid that they can not achieve this level of self-realization; if they were able to realize just how limited they are, they might have some humility about trying to control other people's lives....

Rube (thankfully) is in no position to do damage to personal freedoms or the sanctity of the home, but when low-functioning ninnies with rube-type attitudes get elected this is the kind arrogant garbage they engage in....

I have a theory about these folks...(and it would also apply to rube; though thankfully as I pointed out before he does not have any ability to make or influence public policy...unfortunately there are many like him who do)

I believe that if you looked into their personal histories, that you would find that at some period, probably early on, they experienced things that gave them a very resentful attitude towards other people in general...

Maybe they were bullied, maybe they couldn't get laid, maybe they didn't get the recognition or respect they felt that they should...whatever it might have been....

And so when they grow up, if they are able to get themselves into any position of power at all (and this may be what drives them to seek out these positions in the first place) they want use that power to "throw their weight around" and attempt to bully and dictate to others, in an effort to somehow "get even" with society for whatever slight or injury they believe was done to them.

When you think about it, at it's core, this sort of thing is really just a form of misanthropy...
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I'm stuck on that Einstein photo.

Imagine what he might have accomplished if he hadn't smoked a pipe

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Yeah, ol' Al was real low functioner....

I believe that "observation" of rube's earns a place along with many others in Rubato's Complete Guide To Total Ignorance...

So far it's about 600 pages....
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Beyond the basic moral repugnance of a law like the one in Belmont, there are some pretty obvious practical problems as well...

The Belmont Police Department basically has two choices:

1. They can choose not enforce the law (this happens frequently with some of the more idiotic ordinances passed by the local morons in Frisco...a little while back they passed a regulation prohibiting people from having fires in their fireplaces on cool days...the police are not going around knocking on doors telling people to put out their fires.)

This would probably be the best and most rational course for the cops in Belmont to follow, however it's never a good thing when laws are simply ignored; it tends to have an undermining effect on the authority of law; it would be much better if idiotic laws were repealed.

2.They can enforce the law, and waste scarce police resources on this stupidity, that could be better spent on just about anything else.

Another thing this law does is encourage vindictive behavior amongst the public. It provides a legal tool with which a neighbor (who really doesn't give a rat's ass about somebody smoking in their own apartment) can harass someone with whom they have a completely unrelated gripe or grudge.

Also, an ordinance like this is extremely classist; it punishes those who are unable to afford to buy or rent a free standing house. (This is one of the points I believe could be argued in court.)

Of course folks like rube don't give two shits about policies that disproportionately slam the less well off; (as he has proven over an over again with his repeated idiotic call for a huge increase in the price of fuel)
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rubato wrote: No more than if they kept rotting animal carcasses around or burned piles of wet brush.
rubato wrote:I had a dog who would drag home the most disgusting and smelly thing she could find nearby and then wag her tail proudly over her 'find'.

She was an outdoor dog.

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rubato wrote:I had a dog who would drag home the most disgusting and smelly thing she could find nearby and then wag her tail proudly over her 'find'.

She was an outdoor dog.
It's interesting to note that rubato had to explain it was an outdoor dog.

He must have deduced there might be smokers reading and wouldn't be able to figure that out for themselves.

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He decided to get a dog, as it doubled the average IQ at home.
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The basic problem as I said above is this:
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No matter if someone is in their own home or outdoors they have no inherent right to pollute the air other people have to breathe. No more than if they kept rotting animal carcasses around or burned piles of wet brush. What the boundaries ought to be is a matter of legitimate debate. What level of harm is low enough that someone should be told they just have to put up with it? Is a bad smell ok if it changes the death rate only slightly? What if the small causes immediate vomiting? What if it is so bad you can't sell your home or it reduces the price?

The history of modern civil society is the history of understanding what these boundaries ought to be.
Pity, no one has the wit or honesty to address it.



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rubato wrote:
Pity, no one has the ability to think down to my level to address it.



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Fixed.
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Lord Jim wrote:Yeah, ol' Al was real low functioner....

I believe that "observation" of rube's earns a place along with many others in Rubato's Complete Guide To Total Ignorance...

So far it's about 600 pages....
You have the abridged version, Jim. :mrgreen:

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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