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A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 3:25 pm
by dgs49
It appears from about five minutes of internet surfing that the City of Toronto has been undergoing consolidation with a group of adjoining municipalities for a number of years. The details and how it's progressing can only be assessed by someone who actually lives there or nearby.

I wonder if a case could be made to similarly consolidate Detroit with the remainder of Wayne County. Lord knows, there is a lot of prosperity in the surrounding areas, and it is also undeniably the case that the middle class has been abandoning the sinking ship of Detroit for for the Burbs for decades, mainly to get away from the poor black inhabitants, but also to flee the high taxes and disfunctional Detroit government. One might also note that surrounding Wayne County might not be so prosperous as it is today if Our Beloved President had not administered a financial blowjob (at our expense) to the UAW/GM when it WENT BANKRUPT(!), in gratitude for its support in the 2008 election.

Before dumping this problem on the entire state of Michigan or - heaven forbid - on the taxpayers of the United States, shouldn't they study local consolidation as the least painful option that at least places the pain closer to where it belongs? The level of municipal services in Detroit is, from all reports, approaching third-world levels, while the residents simply refuse to pay their property taxes with (for now) impunity. Clearly, the situation cannot go on without some major changes taking place.

And while we're at it, why not consolidate the school systems as well? Why should the "hard working" residents of Detroit be forced to send their kids to failing schools, when they are Michigan taxpayers just like everyone else in Wayne County?

I have family members in Canton, Michigan (also in Wayne County) who view the city as a perverse form of entertainment, happy and secure in the knowledge that it's someone else's problem.

This ain't right.

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 3:36 pm
by dales
One might also note that surrounding Wayne County might not be so prosperous as it is today if Our Beloved President had not administered a financial blowjob (at our expense) to the UAW/GM when it WENT BANKRUPT(!), in gratitude for its support in the 2008 election.
Indeed, and we taxpayers are still paying for this fiasco.

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 3:57 pm
by Crackpot
sure if you want to stick your head up your ass..

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 4:05 pm
by Big RR
If I recall correctly, with the stock transferred to the government and the cash paid back, the federal government got back what it gave to GM under the terms agreed to (sure GM stock did not do as well as what the government would have liked, but that's the deal that was struck). Kind of like what happened with the investment banks that tanked. But of course, because workers (especially union workers) benefitted under the GM deal, it is the one that deserves to be criticized.

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 4:08 pm
by dales
Crackpot wrote:sure if you want to stick your head up your ass..
My, my someone woke up on the wrong side of the floor this AM. :lol:

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 4:29 pm
by dales
Government to shed GM stake, taxpayer loss likely


Nathan Bomey, Detroit Free Press 8:07 a.m. EST December 19, 2012


The U.S. government plans to sell 40% of its General Motors stock within weeks and to sell the rest of its shares within 12 to 15 months, officials announced this morning.


The plan the U.S. announced today to sell its remaining 500 million shares of General Motors virtually guarantees a substantial taxpayer loss on the $49.5 billion bailout.

The Treasury Department today said that it will sell all its stock in GM within 12 to 15 months and sell 40% of its stake within weeks, starting with a $5.5 billion deal for GM to buy back 200 million of its shares as soon as next month at $27.50 per share.

The government would have needed about $53 per share for its 26% stake to break even on the bailout. The deal negotiated with GM for the 200 million shares will cut the U.S. stake to 19% but raise the price needed to break even on the remaining 300 million government shares to nearly $70.

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GM's agreed-to buyback price of $27.50 per share is a 7.9% premium over Tuesday's closing price of $25.49. The company will record a $400 million charge on its balance sheet in the fourth quarter.

With the deal and other sources -- including funds from GM's IPO and GM loan repayments -- the U.S. has recouped about $28.6 billion of $49.5 billion bailout, according to the Treasury.

The potential loss on the GM bailout is likely to dwarf the estimated $1.3 billion loss the government took on the bankruptcy rescue of Chrysler Group and the transfer to Fiat control. The government has said it wants to balance its desire to get out of the auto business with the desire to recover money for taxpayers.

For GM, this begins finally to unwind the restrictions imposed in the bailout and bankruptcy restructuring. The company can start to shed the stigma of being "government motors," which CFO Dan Ammann told reporters today has caused some buyers to avoid GM products.

Said CEO Dan Akerson in a statement, "This announcement is an important step in bringing closure to the successful auto industry rescue; it further removes the perception of government ownership of GM among customers, and it demonstrates confidence in GM's progress and our future."

"From our point of view, this is very attractive to the company and to shareholders," said Ammann. "It obviously brings some clarity and certainty around the U.S. Treasury exit and the timing of that, which has been a question in the marketplace."

Auto industry analysts had been expecting the Treasury to announce a resolution for its GM shares in early 2013. Some analysts have said a share buyback would be warmly received by the market and attract new investors, who have been scared off by the government's ownership position, to GM shares. At one point, shares were trading at $27.56, up 8%, and above the share buyback price.

The government plans to immediately remove some restrictions it placed on GM as part of the bailout using TARP funds. The company now will be allowed to buy corporate aircraft, for example. But the company will continue to have limits on pay for top executives, which some say has made recruiting more difficult.

The GM and Chrysler bailouts saved more than 1 million jobs, the Center for Automotive Research said in 2010, including both GM and Chrysler workers and employees of the companies' suppliers. The actions also prevented the loss of $96.5 billion of personal income in 2009 and 2010, the Center estimated, and let the government save a combined $28.6 billion by reducing entitlement spending on unemployed workers and collecting taxes on wages of those still working.

"The auto industry rescue helped save more than a million jobs during a severe economic crisis, but TARP was always meant to be a temporary, emergency program. The government should not be in the business of owning stakes in private companies for an indefinite period of time," said Timothy Massad, U.S. Treasury Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability.

Beyond the politics of the bailout, Edmunds.com senior analyst Michelle Krebs says its success in rebuilding the company as a business remains to be seen. "There's no doubt that General Motors is in a better position now than it was four or five years ago, and that's all thanks to the government bailout with taxpayer money," said Krebs. "Still, even with GM buying back its shares, it will be years before we can fully assess the success of the auto bailout. The key is to watch and see if the company falls back into old bad habits."

The announcement marks the second time in a week that the Treasury has announced the end of a bailout-related investment made during the financial crisis. Last week, it and the Federal Reserve said they had sold the last of their shares in AIG -- the insurance company that pushed itself to the brink with bad bets on credit derivatives -- and ended up making a $22.7 billion profit on an investment in AIG of $182.3 billion. As recently as 2011, the government owned 92% of AIG.

The Treasury invested another $245 billion to save more than 700 banks during the crisis, and has recovered all of that money, plus an additional $23 billion in profit through repayments, dividends and sales of securities, assistant secretary Timothy Massad said in a blog post Dec. 18. The government has liquidated its stakes in all but 218 banks, the post said.

Contributing: Fred Meier and Timothy Mullaney, USA TODAY

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:01 pm
by Crackpot
But you fail to include the subsequnt mintenence of income tax and avoiding additional unemployment not just for the automakers but the supplier chain and other ansilary jobs supported by the industry.

As for waking up on the wrong side if the bed I'm just tired of having to explain the obvious very couple weeks.

Mind you I don't count this as a specific Obama win because at that point (I can't speak for now) neither party was stupid enough to let the economy completely collapse

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:10 pm
by dales
I enjoyed the phraseology that dgs uesed............TOOFUNNY :lol:

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:23 pm
by Lord Jim
Somehow I don't see the good burghers of Grosse Pointe leaping at the chance to become incorporated with Detroit...

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 6:27 pm
by dales
Detroit should be condensed with the remaining citizens being FORCED to move nearer the city center.

The remaining acerage should be plowed under and converted to agriculture.

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:18 pm
by Crackpot
What about that consitution you hold so dear?

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 7:34 pm
by dales
You have any solutions for this festering canker sore of a city?

You live in the area, you do, don't you? :lol:

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:56 pm
by Crackpot
Yes I do the problem is any solution is going to cost money unforunately that's a four letter word in political circles (unless it's going in their pockets)

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:22 pm
by Lord Jim
any solution is going to cost money unforunately that's a four letter word
The only place I can imagine "money" being a "four letter word" would be in a thread subject line written by Strop.... :P

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:33 pm
by Gob
Bicth!!!

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 10:08 pm
by dales
As rubato would say; "Now, now girls."

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:45 pm
by Joe Guy
What's a bicth?

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:32 am
by dales
From the Urban Dictionary:
bicth

An ignorant mexican/wetback way of spelling "bitch"

I didn't know Gob was a was Mexican, did you.....Joe?

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:05 am
by rubato
GM shares are up to $32.36 today so the government will be that much closer to break-even when they sell the rest of the shares. And the multiplier here is very large. GM factories support large networks of suppliers and entire communities around their plants.

yrs,
rubato

Re: A Solution for Detroit (let's ask Scooter)

Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:30 am
by Crackpot
The fact is they (the govt) overvalued GM stock when they bought it so much so that it is unlikely that are going to make money on a sale. However, that doesn't mean the bailout didn't payout in much more indirect means.