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It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm Will
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:25 am
by dales
Be A Revolver......
A hotly contested gun-control law that was passed in 2007 is finally ready to be implemented, Attorney General Kamala Harris said Friday: a requirement that every new semiautomatic handgun contain "micro-stamping" technology that would allow police to trace a weapon from cartridges found at a crime scene.
The law, signed by then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, made California the first state to require micro-stamping, which engraves the gun's serial number on each cartridge. But the legislation specified that it would take effect only when the technology was available and all private patents had expired.
The gun owners' group Calguns Foundation tried to forestall the law at one point by paying a $555 fee in an attempt to extend a patent held by the inventor, who wanted it to lapse. Gun manufacturers said the technology was expensive and ineffective, and a National Rifle Association lawyer has threatened a lawsuit.
But at a Los Angeles news conference Friday, Harris announced that micro-stamping had cleared all technological and patenting hurdles and would be required on newly sold semiautomatics, effective immediately.
"The patents have been cleared, which means that this very important technology will help us as law enforcement in identifying and locating people who have illegally used firearms," Harris said.
Attorney Benjamin Van Houten of San Francisco's Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence said the announcement should send a message to other states, the Obama administration and the gun industry that "this is the future and it's really critical to helping law enforcement solve gun crimes."
Implementation of micro-stamping "moves California to the forefront of the nation in combatting gun crime," said the law's author, former Assemblyman Mike Feuer, D-Los Angeles, who attended the news conference and is running for city attorney.
C.D. Michel, the NRA's West Coast regional attorney, had a much grimmer prediction.
"This is not going to help solve crimes," he said. "It's easily defeated, easily wears out and can be used to lead police down false alleys" if the serial numbers are altered.
Worse yet, Michel said, manufacturers will be unwilling to add this expensive feature to guns sold in a single state, and will instead keep manufacturing weapons for the other states, where demand already far exceeds supply. The effect, he said, would be a ban on new semiautomatic handguns in California, which the NRA will challenge in court.
Van Houten, in response, said, "The gun lobby makes wild claims about the impact on the California gun market" every time the state enacts a new gun-safety requirement.
The technology was invented in the 1990s by Todd Lizotte, an engineer and NRA member, who has said for more than a year that he no longer claimed patent rights and wanted California to implement micro-stamping.
But Harris' office said the state had to wait until it was no longer legally possible for Lizotte to renew his patents.
Read more:
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Gun- ... z2ThjleSIN
What's to stop someone from throwing a handful of shell casings from various and assorted firearms at a murder scene? Another "feel=good" gun-control hunk of legislation that will accomplish next to nothing. I wonder how long the so-called micro stamping can be defeated? Serial numbers are routinely erased from firearms. More nonsense from the Golden (showers) State.

Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:34 am
by Gob
Anyone would swear you didn't want gun control to work dales.

Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:49 am
by dales
My dear Gob - that would be quite the opposite. Read the sad account below where proper gun control was NOT practiced.
MINEOLA, N.Y. (AP) — A Hofstra University student being held in a headlock at gunpoint by an intruder was accidently shot and killed by a police officer who had responded to the home invasion at an off-campus home, police said Saturday.
Junior public relations major Andrea Rebello was shot once in the head early Friday morning by an officer who opened fire after the masked intruder pointed a gun at the officer while holding the 21-year-old student, Nassau County homicide squad Lt. John Azzata said.
In a tense confrontation with the officer, gunman Dalton Smith "menaces our police officer, points his gun at the police officer," Azzata said. The officer opened fire, killing Smith and his hostage.
Azzata said the Nassau County police officer fired eight shots at Smith, who police described as having an "extensive" criminal background. Smith was hit seven times and died. Rebello was shot once in the head.
"He kept saying, 'I'm going to kill her,' and then he pointed the gun at the police officer," Azzata said.
A loaded 9 mm handgun with a serial number scratched off was found at the scene, police said.
Nassau County Police Commissioner Thomas Dale said he had traveled to Rebello's Tarrytown, N.Y., home to explain to Rebello's parents what happened.
"I felt obligated as a police commissioner and as a parent to inform them as soon as all the forensic results were completed," Dale said.
The veteran police officer, who was not identified, has about 12 years of experience on the Nassau County police force and previously spent several years as a New York City police officer, Dale said.
The officer is currently out on sick leave. He will be the focus of an internal police investigation once the criminal investigation is completed, which is standard police procedure in any officer-involved shooting, the commissioner said.
Earlier Saturday, police announced that Smith, 30, had been wanted on a parole violation related to a first-degree robbery conviction and had an arrest history dating back nearly 15 years.
The shooting came just days before the school's commencement ceremonies, which are scheduled to take place Sunday.
A university spokeswoman said students will be handed white ribbons to wear in memory of Rebello. The shooting, which took place just steps from campus, has cast a pall over the university community as it geared up for commencement on Sunday.
"Today is the last day of finals and this should be a happy day on campus; but it's not," Hofstra freshman Scott Aharoni of Great Neck, said Friday as he passed through the area rife with yellow crime-scene tape. "It's really sad."
Rebello was in the two-story home with her twin sister Jessica, a third woman and a man when Smith, wearing a ski mask, walked into the house through an open front door, Azzata said. Smith demanded valuables and was told they were upstairs, Azzata said.
Smith, apparently unsatisfied with the valuables upstairs, asked if any of the four had a bank account and could withdraw money, Azzata said. The intruder then allowed the unidentified woman to leave and collect money from an ATM, telling her she had only eight minutes to come back with cash before he killed one of her friends, Azzata said.
The woman left for the bank and called 911, according to Azzata.
Minutes later, two police officers arrived at the home and found Rebello's twin sister Jessica running out of the front door and the male guest hiding behind a couch on the first floor, Azzata said.
One of the officers entered the home and encountered Smith holding onto Rebello in a headlock, coming down the stairs, Azzata said. Smith pulled Rebello closer and started moving backward toward a rear door of the house, pointing the gun at her head before eventually threatening the officer, Azzata said.
Rebello's family declined comment Saturday.
The Rev. Osvaldo Franklin, who gave Rebello and her sister Jessica their first communions, on Saturday night told The Associated Press their mother, Nella, couldn't even speak to him earlier in the day.
"She was so devastated," said Franklin. "She's just crying. We have to pray for Andrea, to pray for Jessica because she needs help."
Franklin said a funeral is scheduled for Wednesday at Teresa of Avila Church in Sleepy Hollow, N.Y., and will be in Portuguese.
"The family's a very good family, they have very good values," he said. "I gave them first communion to Andrea and Jessica and they started to help me in the mass for many years. They are a very good, very devoted family."
That useless cop should have known what he was shooting at. Think "targe acquisition". Obviouusly he made a fatal blunder and I don't believe the extinguishing of one criminal life in exchange for an innocent was a fair bargain.I hope the girl's family sues for millions and is awarded a huge sum of cash.
Indeed, gun control is what all shooting sports are about! 
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 6:21 am
by rubato
Oh dear, next those fascists will be requiring all cars to have serial numbers on them.
yrs,
rubato
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 1:54 pm
by dales
Time to hit the sack there, rube.
You're not making sense.
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 12:55 am
by Andrew D
Actually, he is making good sense. Vehicle identification numbers help the police trace vehicles. Microstamping will help the police trace ammunition.
And who says otherwise? The NRA -- the people who don't think that preventing people on the terrorist watch list from purchasing firearms is a good idea.
Oh, wait. rubato posted that. So it must be nonsense. My bad.
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 1:09 am
by dales
What part about throwing down a fist full of shells at the murder scene did you not understand?
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 1:15 am
by Crackpot
lets see fingerprints, forethought, ballistics.....
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 1:19 am
by dales
Correct, why not plan ahead?
Hence, the topic of my original post.
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:48 am
by Crackpot
So you're planning on committing murder?
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 2:58 am
by Lord Jim
So, someone is going to be professional enough to "police his own brass" but then turns around and leaves some one else's brass....
I find that very hard to believe....
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 3:00 am
by dales
Crackpot wrote:So you're planning on committing murder?
SShhhhhhhhh.
just foolin'....i LOVE everybody
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 3:03 am
by dales
Lord Jim wrote:So, someone is going to be professional enough to "police his own brass" but then turn around and leave some one else's brass....
I find that very hard to believe....
Why?
Remember, I'm talking planning.
But you raise a good point there, Jim
So many murders are commited in the heat of passion or opportunity.
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 5:08 am
by Andrew D
dales wrote:What part about throwing down a fist full of shells at the murder scene did you not understand?
What part of tracing a fistful of shells and narrowing the results down do you not understand?
Of course, nothing that we can do will prevent all murders.
That is not news to anyone.
Still,
rubato's analogy is reasonably apt.
And basing an argument on the fact that nothing we can do will prevent all murders is just a version of "we can't do everything, so we should do nothing." In other words, pure crap.
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 5:13 am
by dales
And basing an argument on the fact that nothing we can do will prevent all murders is just a version of "we can't do everything, so we should do nothing." In other words, pure crap.
I'm still buying a revolver and there's not a damned thing you or the govt can do.
So there!

Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 5:20 am
by dales
rubato wrote:Oh dear, next those fascists will be requiring all cars to have serial numbers on them.
yrs,
rubato
And are quite easily removed by "chop shops".
VIN's have been around since the cars were amde, same with firearm s/n's.
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 5:21 am
by Andrew D
I have no desire to keep you from buying a revolver. Or a semi-automatic. Or ten revolvers. Or ten semi-automatics.
But should you someday cultivate and act upon a desire to slaughter dozens of children, I hope that the police will be able to track you down.
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 5:24 am
by dales
I enjoyed meeting you and person and the Andrew that I met would never have said such a hateful thing.
Pathetic.
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 5:32 am
by Andrew D
I did not intend it as hateful,
dales. I did not intend any suggestion that you, personally, would even cultivate, let alone act upon, such a desire.
I was using "you" in the same way that I thought that you were using it here:
I'm still buying a revolver and there's not a damned thing you or the govt can do.
Given that I, personally, have no desire to prevent you from buying a revolver, I understood you to be using "you" generically, not personally. Which I was also doing.
Evidently, I was in error.
So let me try my point again:
I have no desire to keep an ordinary person from buying a revolver. Or a semi-automatic. Or ten revolvers. Or ten semi-automatics.
But should that person someday cultivate and act upon a desire to slaughter dozens of children, I hope that the police will be able to track that person down.
Better?
Re: It Looks Like My Next Brand-New Out-Of-The Box Firearm W
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 5:40 am
by dales
I'm too tired to hash over this.
I'll log back on the the morning.
No hard feelings.
