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FONK WALMART! -or- I'm Tired of Subsidizing the Walton Clan!

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I used to go to that dump to buy ammo, then the local store discontinued sales of ammo and firearms. To me they becaome as useless as teats on a boar! The other crap can be purchased at Target for near the same price. There is no earthly good reason to shop at WalMart.


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One Walmart's Low Wages Could Cost Taxpayers $900,000 Per Year, House Dems Find


Posted: 05/31/2013 12:31 pm EDT | Updated: 05/31/2013 12:46 pm EDT

Walmart wages are so low that many of its workers rely on food stamps and other government aid programs to fulfill their basic needs, a reality that could cost taxpayers as much as $900,000 at just one Walmart Supercenter in Wisconsin, according to a study released by Congressional Democrats on Thursday.

Though the study assumes that most workers who qualify for the public assistance programs do take advantage of them, it injects a potent data point into a national debate about the minimum wage at a time when many Walmart and fast food workers are mounting strikes in pursuit of higher wages.

The study uses Medicaid data released in Wisconsin to piece together the annual cost to taxpayers for providing a host of social safety net programs, including food stamps and publicly subsidized health care, to workers at one Supercenter in the state.

According to the report, Walmart had more workers enrolled in the state’s public health care program in the last quarter of last year than any other employer, with 3,216 people enrolled. When the dependents of those workers were factored in, the number of enrollees came to 9,207.

"When low wages leave Walmart workers unable to afford the necessities of life, taxpayers pick up the tab," the report says.

HuffPost asked Walmart for comment but didn't immediately hear back.

After accounting for the total number of Walmart stores and employees across the state and the per-person costs of BadgerCare, as the state’s health care program is known, the report's authors estimated that the cost of publicly funded health care comes to $251,706 per year for a 300-employee Supercenter.

The authors then added up the projected costs of other public-assistance programs available to families on BadgerCare, such as reduced-price school meals, Section 8 housing assistance, the earned income tax credit and energy assistance. Assuming all those workers avail themselves of those additional programs -- granted, an unlikely scenario -- the report extrapolates that the final tab would top $900,000.


The report, entitled "The Low-Wage Drag on Our Economy," was produced by Democrats with the House Committee on Education and the Workforce, which is chaired by Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.). The committee says it chose Wisconsin because the state's data "appears to be the most recent and comprehensive." The paper is an updated version of an earlier report by the same committee in 2004, which at the time estimated that a 200-employee Walmart store could account for $400,000 in public assistance for workers.

"The labor policies of Walmart, and those of companies that emulate its low-road approach, end up leaving taxpayers holding the bag," Miller said in a statement.

Critics have long denounced Walmart for paying such low wages that many workers are forced to take advantage of public-assistance programs like food stamps or Medicaid. (Notably, many Democrats who lament this scenario are strong backers of such programs.)

In fact, many workers throughout the retail industry take advantage of these programs, though a 2004 study of Walmart workers in California estimated the chain's workers availed themselves of 38 percent more non-health, public-assistance money than workers at competing stores. (That report, by the University of California, Berkeley, had findings similar to the committee's 2004 study.)

The Congressional report's timing is no accident. Miller, along with Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), has sponsored legislation that would raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10, a boost that would presumably benefit many Walmart store employees. (The federal minimum wage, which prevails in the 31 states that do not mandate a higher one, is currently $7.25, where it's been since 2009.) Democrats have argued that boosting the minimum wage would help pull some workers off of these programs.

Following sparse but high-profile walkouts by Walmart employees late last year, the union-backed worker group OUR Walmart announced "prolonged strikes" by employees this week. As of Thursday, organizers said 80 workers had joined the walkouts -- a tiny fraction, for sure, of the estimated 1.4 million Walmart workers across the country, though labor activists are hopeful the strikes will inspire other workers.

Aubretia Edick, a Massachusetts woman who earns $11.70 an hour and receives public assistance, food stamps, Section 8 housing, and state-funded health care, said her reliance on the safety net is one reason she plans to join the strikes. “Walmart doesn't pay my salary,” she said. “You pay my salary.”

When she started working for Walmart, she said, she had expectations that have since proved unattainable. “I thought I could make it on my own,” she said. "That didn't happen.”

[perhaps Aubretia Edick shoudl quit working for a shitty company like Walmart, get some skills and get a better job?!?!?!?!]
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I used to go to that dump to buy ammo, then the local store discontinued sales of ammo and firearms
The one by me never sold guns and ammo as far as I know.
And K-Mart stopped more than a few years ago.

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If the people that work at Walmart didn't work there, where would they work? Does not working at Walmart automatically qualify you to earn more money?

If those who work at Walmart and get public assistance didn't work at Walmart, they would be eligible for even more public assistance.

What is a better alternative?

The government should force Walmart to pay higher wages?

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Raising the minimum wage so those who work for $7.50 hr at Walmart won't rely on public handouts. Why should the US taxpayer support the Walton family who are one of the richest families in the country?

I propose a US minimum wage of $10.69/hr, I realize that's chump change in the SF Bay Area but in the hinterlands, Walmart employees would not have to exist on food stamps, and other govt. handouts.

I recall shopping across the street at SAVEMART. There was a store employee dressed in the store uniform front of me. She used a food stamp card to pay for her purchase. I ased the clerk about this. He claimed that the wages were low. Are they? I dunno, something is dammed wrong when US taxpayers have to support a private business by giving its employees govt handouts. :arg

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I propose a US minimum wage of $10.69/hr,...
In the article you pasted above there is an example of a woman who earns $11.70 an hour and receives public assistance.

How high of a wage do we need to force employers to pay?

Should we force them to give unskilled employees $60,000/yr and a pension so they won't need to receive government aid?

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I realize that, Joe.....perhaps she doesn't manage money that well but I'm more than certain that raising the minimum wage is benificial for millions and the downside would be negligable.

Of course you and dgs would like indentured servitude to return. :nana

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Should we force them to give unskilled employees $60,000/yr and a pension so they won't need to receive government aid? 
No, that's far too much.

My first wage (1971) was $1.65 (min, wage) plus tips and that money went much farther than min. wage does today.

That's where my $10.69 figure came in.

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Aubretia Edick, a Massachusetts woman who earns $11.70 an hour and receives public assistance, food stamps, Section 8 housing, and state-funded health care, said her reliance on the safety net is one reason she plans to join the strikes keep sucking the government tit. “Walmart doesn't pay my salary,” she said. “You pay my salary. And you bastards had better keep it up, too
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And regarding the woman with the wage of $11.70/hr, unless she only works part time, she must have at least two kids and an absent or unemployed husband in order to qualify for the benefits she receives.

The problem wouldn't go away for her even with a minimum wage increase to $15.00 per hour.

My point is that I find it difficult to blame Walmart because people who work for them receive government assistance. Walmart, like fast food restaurants and newspaper delivery, are not the kinds of jobs that people who are going to be self sufficient choose for a career.

We aren't going to eliminate people who have no skills and/or education with an increase in the minimum wage.

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And supporting a private enterprise concern with govt. freebies that the employer is too tight-fisted to provide is dead wrong! As a US taxpayer I find this reprehensible! :arg

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Then from your perspective the government is supporting the employer of anyone who has a job and receives public assistance.

I've known people who worked for the government and also qualified for public assistance. I guess in those cases the government was supporting itself for not paying high enough wages to some of its employees... :D

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Public assistance should be for the truly destitute out of work people.

In return, jobs should pay a livable wage.

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General Assistance (in counties that have it) is paid to those who are the absolutely most destitute. Most of them are homeless or living in the worst of circumstances.

Public assistance is given to women (in most cases) who are unemployed or under employed with an absent or non-existent husband and one (or often more) children.

If they were to no longer qualify for government assistance, what would be a better alternative?

If Walmart and all other employers were forced to pay a "livable wage", where do we draw the line? Don't those of us who are gainfully employed end up subsidizing those employees anyway when we pay for more expensive products and services being passed on to us?

And if we all end up paying more for goods and services wouldn't that raise the level of salary required to earn a livable wage? Wouldn't we then need to raise the minimum wage again so those earning it could keep up?

Then when prices go up again...

Where would it end?

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What we both need is graphical evidence of our respected positions on the topic.


Rubato?

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You're finally catching on.

As I have said many times; having a minimum wage which is too low amounts to subsidizing employees at the expense of everyone else. When it is legal to pay less than the real cost of sustaining someone, the rest of the cost will be borne by everyone else.


You are starting to get it.



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rubato wrote:As I have said many times; having a minimum wage which is too low amounts to subsidizing employees at the expense of everyone else.
But then again, you also claim to be a scientist.

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Walmart wages are so low that many of its workers rely on food stamps and other government aid programs to fulfill their basic needs, a reality that could cost taxpayers as much as $900,000 at just one Walmart Supercenter in Wisconsin
Has anyone done a study on what the costs of government assistance for those employees would be if they weren't employed?
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That's right. WalMart is doing us all a goddamn favor by taking our money and putting it in their wallets and pretending its all due to their energy and such.


And we've obliged most sweetly by setting up a society which makes people so many people miserable enough they will take half-a-loaf because they know they'll starve half as slow that way.


Vote Republican, they know that if you make a whole lot of people suffer a few of them will be guilty so that makes it fair and what the hell if they are miserable they will be motivated to be better people and work harder for even less so piss-all screwing the bottom 47% is god's work and you don't argue with that. Vote Republican, its a values thing.


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Sam Rawlings Walton, grandson of Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton, has given $300,000 to the Democratic super PAC Priorities USA Action.

While the Wal-Mart company splits its donations between Republicans and Democrats, multiple members of the Walton clan are major Republican donors. Walton’s donation in support of President Obama bucks the family trend.

Alice Walton, Sam Walton’s aunt, has given $200,000 to the pro-Romney super PAC Restore Our Future and gave $2.6 million to a group backing George W. Bush in 2004. Jim Walton, Sam’s uncle, also gave $200,000 to Restore Our Future. Alice and Jim Walton, along with Jim’s wife, Lynne Walton, have also contributed to the National Republican Senatorial Committee and National Republican Congressional Committee.

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Son, you don't know piss-all about how and why businesses give money to political parties do you? Read your own post and ask "why are they doing it that way"?.

A TYPICAL business PAC will split 60-40 to 80-20 Republican-Democrat. They are buying ACCESS to whoever is in the right office. You can tell what their rooting interests are because they will give to powerful INCUMBENTS especially those who are likely to win anyway of the other side and to the general party fund of the other side. The side they have a rooting interest for they will back new and somewhat more uncertain candidates for and they'll give larger amounts.

Head over to the FEC website and do a few searches on business-based PACs.

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