New York the New Detroit?

[liberty]

The solution is simple, everyone carry their own gun.

http://nypost.com/2015/01/11/nycs-busin ... op-strike/
The city’s business elite may finally be waking up to the fact that Mayor de Blasio’s policies are as bad for the local economy as they are for everything else in Gotham.
This normally timid group is frantic over the toxic state of relations between the mayor and the police.
They’re freaked by the specter of a paralyzed police force, afraid to enforce the law because to do so risks the wrath of the mayor, violent protesters and deranged cop-haters.
These folks are old enough to know this could plunge us back into the chaos of the late 1960s and early 1970s, where New York’s economy imploded and the city nearly went bankrupt.

What, me worry? Mayor de Blasio’s failure to even begin mending relations with police rank-and-file has the business community in despair.Photo: Reuters
Sure, Comrade Bill can point to statistics that show crime’s still down, even after a year of his efforts to curb what he terms abusive police tactics.
And the city economy, at least for now, is fairly healthy — because crime is so low, people feel safe to shop, go the Broadway show, etc.
The fear is that all this merely reflects the overhang of assertive policing from the Giuliani-Bloomberg years. What if de Blasio’s attacks on the police, which began nearly the minute he started running for mayor, are eating away at that progress?
The business elite point to the near riots that erupted after the non-indictment in the death of Eric Garner, along with the assassination of two police officers by a maniac looking to kill cops for revenge, as ominous signs.
They worry that the recent slowdown in arrests will soon manifest into something more serious — because cops know the mayor doesn’t have their back.
These folks admire Police Commissioner Bill Bratton (after all, he got the whole crime-drop ball rolling under Rudy Giuliani), but believe he’s no match for his committed leftist boss — who either doesn’t care or is utterly clueless about the fact that high crime rates cripple economies.
One key moment was a Dec. 18 meeting between Bratton and the leaders of the Partnership for New York City — a lobby group comprising the city’s business elite. (Full disclosure: 21st Century Fox, the parent of Fox News and Fox Business, my employer, is a member.)
They worry that the recent slowdown in arrests will soon manifest into something more serious — because cops know the mayor doesn’t have their back.
The sitdown was at the offices of Viacom, whose CEO, Philippe Dauman, chairs the Partnership.
Shocking many of the 300 in attendance, Bratton said that the mayor has his back in cracking down on quality-of-life crimes. Despite de Blasio’s anti-cop rhetoric and opposition to “stop and frisk,” he’s a proponent of the “broken windows” theory of law enforcement, Bratton claimed.
That is, he believes that cracking down on smaller quality-of-life crimes makes the city safer and more economically vibrant because it helps get the really bad guys off the street.
Bratton argued, according to people present, that de Blasio is closer to Giuliani and Bloomberg on this front than most people think.
The business crowd warmed to Bratton’s assurances that de Blasio understands the importance of having a safe city — until the next shoes dropped.
In the days that followed, de Blasio never backed off his criticism of the police — making a mockery out of what Bratton told the Partnership.
Protests were turning more violent, with officers attacked and crowds chanting, “What do we want? Dead cops!” Next came the assassinations of Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos.
The latest terror attack in Paris also hasn’t gone unnoticed by the business elite, I’m told. They have no doubt today’s NYPD could handle a similar situation — but they wonder how a mayor who all but incited the recent riots might respond.
Now the business leaders are plotting their next move. The New York City Partnership is weighing how to address de Blasio and his policies, and when they should do so. Its president, Kathryn Wylde, is walking a tightrope: I’m told she is discussing with her members and leaders how to respond to the rift between the police and the mayor.
But for all their worries about crime and Comrade Bill, many of her members don’t want to cross City Hall, which hands them so much largesse in the form of tax breaks and (in the case of financial firms like Larry Fink’s Blackrock) the opportunity to manage city pension money.
In other words, the last thing these folks want to do is bite the leftist hand that feeds them.
But other business leaders think the short-term gain from staying in the mayor’s good graces will lead to a lot of pain as de Blasio’s relationship with the polices remains toxic and crime increases.
They are plotting to launch a new group, fearing that the Partnership and its members have too many business ties to City Hall to do anything dramatic to counter de Blasio’s lunacy.
The rumbling is that hedge-fund manager Dan Loeb, who has already taken on de Blasio by funding charter schools, may soon jump into the fray. Stay tuned.
Here’s hoping Loeb or someone else does something quick. As long as relations between the mayor and the police remain toxic, the 1970s are closer than you think.
Charles Gasparino is a Fox Business Network senior correspondent.
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[Econoline]

Charles Gasparino is a Fox Business Network senior correspondent.

Well, yes...of course he is....

[rubato]

the NY Post, yet another quality reliable news source brought to you by Rupert Murdoch.


yrs,
rubato

[Sue U]

Sure, Comrade Bill can point to statistics that show crime’s still down, even after a year of his efforts to curb what he terms abusive police tactics.
And the city economy, at least for now, is fairly healthy — because crime is so low, people feel safe to shop, go the Broadway show, etc.

Bwaahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Shorter Gasparino: "Things are pretty good in NYC! Quick, everybody panic!!!!!!!!"

Anybody even passingly familiar with NYC in, say, the 1980s compared to NYC today will acknowledge that the city is looking and working better than ever. Crime is at an all-time low, real estate values are at an all-time high, and areas that were "blighted" just a few years ago are now vibrant growing communities (have you been to Brooklyn lately?).

The solution is simple, everyone carry their own gun.

What in the world do you think this is this the "solution" to, and why?

[Crackpot]

What in the world do you think this is this the "solution" to, and why?

Can't say wouldn't want to offend "those" people.

[Sue U]

I'm guessing he must mean it to be the solution to having less crime. I'm sure if every New Yorker started carrying a gun, it would quickly solve the problem of having too little crime.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Anybody even passingly familiar with NYC in, say, the 1980s compared to NYC today will acknowledge that the city is looking and working better than ever. Crime is at an all-time low, real estate values are at an all-time high, and areas that were "blighted" just a few years ago are now vibrant growing communities (have you been to Brooklyn lately?).

I miss the old NYC. Porn shops, peep shows, prostitutes everywhere..
Windows smeared (or not smeared) for $1, the cost of cardboard boxes and prime street grate real estate were at an all time.
those were the days.

[Big RR]

Prostitutes everywhere? I can't ever remember a NY like that. I wish I did.

It's kind of like when my father said "The time of me being Mr. Nice Guy are over", another thing I can't remember but would have loved to at the time.

[liberty]

I'm guessing he must mean it to be the solution to having less crime. I'm sure if every New Yorker started carrying a gun, it would quickly solve the problem of having too little crime.

The paper is lamenting the possibility, not that it has happened, but the possibility that law enforcement in New York could collapse. I believe anything is possible. I also I believe that police like all forms of government is dangerous, but without them we have anarchy. If we chose anarchy the solution to self protection is to be able at all times to protect ourselves. In other words “We don’t need no sticking” police we have those English gentlemen with Smith & Wesson.

If police are afraid to do their jobs, you will get less of it. Any police encounter with the public could escalate to violence and violence could end badly for someone. The police know that the way to avoid that is to do no more than they absolutely have to do. If a man is slapping a woman around in public the safest thing for the cop might be to not see it, domestic situations are the most dangerous. That would be a bad thing everyone. Wouldn’t it be better to have a way to insure the quality on individual police than to condemn them all?

[Big RR]

what it seems to me the police are doing in NYC is not ignoring the guy slapping the woman around, but slowing way down on the issuing of nuisance tickets designed solely to generate revenue for the city. and personally it wouldn't bother me if the police continued doing that forever (but I'm sure the city's accountants don't like it). Law enforcement should not be a substitute for prudent taxation and/or budget trimming.

[Lord Jim]

Prostitutes everywhere? I can't ever remember a NY like that. I wish I did.

I think oldr may be specifically referring to the Times Square area...

I well remember what that was like back in the 80's...

[oldr_n_wsr]

Prostitutes everywhere? I can't ever remember a NY like that. I wish I did.

I think oldr may be specifically referring to the Times Square area...

I well remember what that was like back in the 80's...

Times Square, yes that used to be THE place.

Now it's a bunch of big TV screens and people with Elmo costumes trying to get you pay for a picture with them.
And it's pretty clean too.

[Big RR]

Jim--Perhaps, but Times Square is not all of NYC (anymore than the mall is all of DC). And while Times Square was somewhat of a red light district in the 60s (until Disney redesigned it into Times Square World) , the prostitutes were hardly everywhere--there wouldn't have been any room for the drug dealers and three card monty tables (if nothing else).

But, FWIW, even though it was seedy at the time, times Square had a seediness that was real and reeks of NY (kind of like the seediness of the French Quarter in New Orleans reeks of New Orleans), and that gave it a character all its own. I wouldn't like a return of it to those days, but I'd like to see some of the seedy character rather than all the cookie cutter corporate stores it has now.

[liberty]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11 ... isturbing/

Caught on Video: Off-Duty Cop Nearly Beaten to Death in Front of His Wife – How Spectators React Is Almost Equally Disturbing


Nov. 18, 2013 5:04pm Liz Klimas
An off-duty New York Police Department officer was severely beaten over the weekend while his wife watched helplessly. What’s more, spectators taunted and laughed — and no one seems to come to the man’s immediate aid as his attacker continued to beat him while he lay unconscious.

Sgt. Mohammed Deen, an 18-year veteran with the NYPD, was attacked by Hayden Holder in Queens South Richmond Hill neighborhood Sunday, according to WABC-TV.

Cellphone video captured footage of the violent scene that left Deen stable but in a medically induced coma Monday. According to the New York Post, sources said Deen and Holder exchanged words at a Queens nightclub, which could have prompted the assault outside a St. John’s Express restaurant around 5 a.m.

Footage begins with yelling that quickly escalates to Holder beating Deen in the head as he lay in the middle of the street. Some on the scene can be hard yelling “no,” while others seem to be taking a cruel sort of amusement from the altercation.

hayden holder
Sgt. Mohammed Deen was repeatedly punched by Hayden Holder, who admitted to police his involvement in the assault early Sunday morning. (Image source: YouTube)

The man filming the graphic incident says, “that (n-word’s) dead!” Deen, on the pavement, doesn’t move.

Holder moves on to punch the driver’s side window of the car where Deen’s wife has protected herself, before going back to Deen, picking up his head and slamming it back on the pavement.

hayden holder
Holder later turned to punch the car where Deen’s wife was hiding. (Image source: YouTube)

Here’s the footage (Content warning: extremely graphic images and strong language):



Police responded to 911 calls, picking up Holder as he tried to run away from the scene, WABC reported.

“It was a vicious, savage beating,’’ one stunned law-enforcement source told the New York Post.

Holder was reportedly arrested and charged with attempted murder and felony assault. The New York Daily News reported that Holder admitted to the assault but claimed he didn’t know Deen was a police officer.

[Sue U]

And your point is ......................... ?

[rubato]

Slovenly epistemology and a lack of logical structure allows everything to be 'evidence'.


"A dragon flew in, stole my laptop and flew out the window. And LOOK THERE IS THE WINDOW RIGHT THERE!"


yrs,
rubato

[liberty]

And your point is ......................... ?

There are thugs in the world that enjoy beating people. If the cop or his wife had shot the guy, in my opinion it would have been totally justified. Do you agree or disagree?

[BoSoxGal]

Slovenly epistemology and a lack of logical structure allows everything to be 'evidence'.


"A dragon flew in, stole my laptop and flew out the window. And LOOK THERE IS THE WINDOW RIGHT THERE!"


yrs,
rubato

[liberty]

Slovenly epistemology and a lack of logical structure allows everything to be 'evidence'.


"A dragon flew in, stole my laptop and flew out the window. And LOOK THERE IS THE WINDOW RIGHT THERE!"


yrs,
rubato

The mistake you make is that you assume that I am trying to prove something,

[rubato]

Slovenly epistemology and a lack of logical structure allows everything to be 'evidence'.


"A dragon flew in, stole my laptop and flew out the window. And LOOK THERE IS THE WINDOW RIGHT THERE!"


yrs,
rubato

The mistake you make is that you assume that I am trying to prove something,

No, I am pointing out the fact that you have abandoned logic and reason. Why even speculate about intentions when actions are feckless?


yrs,
rubato