seems to me that jesus worshiped the same father, and that he called the jews first...
so it seems to me that the god is indeed the same, but the jews just haven t caught on yet that jesus changed things, and thus have, so far, missed the boat....
Indoctrination
Re: Indoctrination
Human, all too human.MajGenl.Meade wrote:. "God" has attributes and has done certain things for certain reasons.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
-
MajGenl.Meade
- Posts: 21199
- Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:51 am
- Location: Groot Brakrivier
- Contact:
Re: Indoctrination
Meaning or just quacking?
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
Re: Indoctrination
Meaning that for a supposed "infallible, universe-creating, super being, he sure seems to have a lot of human prejudices."
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
-
MajGenl.Meade
- Posts: 21199
- Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:51 am
- Location: Groot Brakrivier
- Contact:
Re: Indoctrination
Such as....? (he asked, expecting a bunch of Old Testament stuff back)
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
Re: Indoctrination
yep, jesus was his way of understanding us, his creation. he did not understand or empathize with us , totally, til he walked among us.
that is how I see it.
that is how I see it.
Re: Indoctrination
MajGenl.Meade wrote:Such as....? (he asked, expecting a bunch of Old Testament stuff back)
If you don't follow the OT anymore why keep it around?
yrs,
rubato
Re: Indoctrination
the wisdom , rube, the wisdom....
-
MajGenl.Meade
- Posts: 21199
- Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:51 am
- Location: Groot Brakrivier
- Contact:
Re: Indoctrination
I don't "keep it around". And I should have said the alternative was no adequate response at all. Sorry about that but thanks for filling the voidrubato wrote:If you don't follow the OT anymore why keep it around?MajGenl.Meade wrote:Such as....? (he asked, expecting a bunch of Old Testament stuff back)
yrs,
rubato
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
-
Econoline
- Posts: 9607
- Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:25 pm
- Location: DeKalb, Illinois...out amidst the corn, soybeans, and Republicans
Re: Indoctrination
Well it DOES help Christians justify their prejudices, xenophobia, and violent urges at times...rubato wrote:If you don't follow the OT anymore why keep it around?
Oh yeah...that and some great storytelling......and the occasional bits of wisdom...
People who are wrong are just as sure they're right as people who are right. The only difference is, they're wrong.
— God @The Tweet of God
— God @The Tweet of God
-
MajGenl.Meade
- Posts: 21199
- Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:51 am
- Location: Groot Brakrivier
- Contact:
Re: Indoctrination
No, no it doesn't do that, Econo. Prejudice, xenophobia and violent urges are all anti-Christian. I think you mean that OT passages might (although no example is provided) be used to justify un-Christian acts by sinful people.
Words are slippery things. 'Christian' can mean the teachings and values of Jesus. It can also be used to mean "people who claim to follow the teachings and values of Jesus". The first has no welcome for those bad things you listed.
It's like "evolution" - a nice word that can be as harmless as meaning the natural development of species but that can suddenly mean "the origin of species" which is a different kettle of amoeba
Words are slippery things. 'Christian' can mean the teachings and values of Jesus. It can also be used to mean "people who claim to follow the teachings and values of Jesus". The first has no welcome for those bad things you listed.
It's like "evolution" - a nice word that can be as harmless as meaning the natural development of species but that can suddenly mean "the origin of species" which is a different kettle of amoeba
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
Re: Indoctrination
wisdom is often attained thru strife and struggle and suffering...
once we had eaten of the tree of knowledge, we needed to learn wisdom...
ignorance is bliss
once we had eaten of the tree of knowledge, we needed to learn wisdom...
ignorance is bliss
Re: Indoctrination
In the immortal words of that sage philosopher, the Prince Of Political Un-Correctness, Mr. Kinky Friedman...
"They Ain't Makin' Jews Like Jesus Anymore":
Well, a redneck nerd in a bowling shirt was a-guzzlin' Lone Star beer
Talking religion and-uh politics for all the world to hear.
"They oughta send you back to Russia, boy, or New York City one
You just want to doodle a Christian girl and you killed God's only son."
I said, "Has it occurred to you, you nerd, that that's not very nice,
We Jews believe it was Santa Claus that killed Jesus Christ."
"You know, you don't look Jewish," he said, "near as I could figger
I had you lamped for a slightly anemic, well-dressed country nigger."
No, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
They don't turn the other cheek the way they done before.
He started in to shoutin' and a-spittin' on the floor,
"Lord, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore."
He says, "I ain't a racist but Aristitle Onassis is one Greek we don't need
And them niggers, Jews and Sigma Nus, all they ever do is breed.
And wops 'n micks 'n slopes 'n spics 'n spooks are on my list
And there's one little heeb from the heart of Texas is there anyone I missed?"
Well, I hits him with everything I had right square between the eyes.
I says, "I'm gonna gitcha, you son of a bitch ya, for spoutin' that pack of lies.
If there's one thing I can't abide, it's an ethnocentric racist;
Now you take back that thing you said 'bout Aristitle Onassis."
No, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
We don't turn the other cheek the way we done before.
You could hear that honky holler as he hit that hardwood floor
"Lord, they sho' ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore!" All right!
No, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
We don't turn the other cheek the way they done before.
You hear that honky holler as he hit that hardwood floor
Lord, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore.
Everybody! They ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
They ain't makin' carpenters who know what nails are for.
Well, the whole damn place was singin' as I strolled right out the door
"Lord, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore!"
"They Ain't Makin' Jews Like Jesus Anymore":
Well, a redneck nerd in a bowling shirt was a-guzzlin' Lone Star beer
Talking religion and-uh politics for all the world to hear.
"They oughta send you back to Russia, boy, or New York City one
You just want to doodle a Christian girl and you killed God's only son."
I said, "Has it occurred to you, you nerd, that that's not very nice,
We Jews believe it was Santa Claus that killed Jesus Christ."
"You know, you don't look Jewish," he said, "near as I could figger
I had you lamped for a slightly anemic, well-dressed country nigger."
No, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
They don't turn the other cheek the way they done before.
He started in to shoutin' and a-spittin' on the floor,
"Lord, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore."
He says, "I ain't a racist but Aristitle Onassis is one Greek we don't need
And them niggers, Jews and Sigma Nus, all they ever do is breed.
And wops 'n micks 'n slopes 'n spics 'n spooks are on my list
And there's one little heeb from the heart of Texas is there anyone I missed?"
Well, I hits him with everything I had right square between the eyes.
I says, "I'm gonna gitcha, you son of a bitch ya, for spoutin' that pack of lies.
If there's one thing I can't abide, it's an ethnocentric racist;
Now you take back that thing you said 'bout Aristitle Onassis."
No, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
We don't turn the other cheek the way we done before.
You could hear that honky holler as he hit that hardwood floor
"Lord, they sho' ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore!" All right!
No, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
We don't turn the other cheek the way they done before.
You hear that honky holler as he hit that hardwood floor
Lord, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore.
Everybody! They ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore,
They ain't makin' carpenters who know what nails are for.
Well, the whole damn place was singin' as I strolled right out the door
"Lord, they ain't makin' Jews like Jesus anymore!"
-
MG McAnick
- Posts: 226
- Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2014 10:02 pm
- Location: 12.6 NM from ICT @ 010°
Re: Indoctrination
The confirmation classes that I took in my childhood church were taught by a pastor who had spent many years as a missionary in Turkey. I very distinctly recall him saying that allah was just another word for God. Of course that might have been his way of trying to reach Muslim Turks, But I've always felt that he was correct with allah as well as Yehweh. My present church, referred to as non-denominational Christian although they prefer $50s and $100s, would disagree.
Merriam Webster's online thesaurus give this as synonyms for Yehweh: http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/Yahweh
Merriam Webster's online thesaurus give this as synonyms for allah: http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/Allah
Merriam Webster's online thesaurus give this as synonyms for God: http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/God
Hmmm, surprisingly similar if you skip to #2 on God...
Merriam Webster's online thesaurus give this as synonyms for Yehweh: http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/Yahweh
Merriam Webster's online thesaurus give this as synonyms for allah: http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/Allah
Merriam Webster's online thesaurus give this as synonyms for God: http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/God
Hmmm, surprisingly similar if you skip to #2 on God...
If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space.
Re: Indoctrination
Remember; Man created God in his own image.
The more the religion has changed from its beginning, the more it will reflect more modern times. The less it has changed, the more it reflects the prevalent culture from the 3rd century, or whatever the time man created that god.
Still, I think the person who chose that phrase to copy is guilty of either not thinking, or bad thinking.
the first commandment is to have no other god before the one who came up with the commandment, and, of course, told it to only one person, who is not god, but the one who knows how He thinks.
And it is almost always He. Again, the culture from which the religion comes.
The more the religion has changed from its beginning, the more it will reflect more modern times. The less it has changed, the more it reflects the prevalent culture from the 3rd century, or whatever the time man created that god.
Still, I think the person who chose that phrase to copy is guilty of either not thinking, or bad thinking.
the first commandment is to have no other god before the one who came up with the commandment, and, of course, told it to only one person, who is not god, but the one who knows how He thinks.
And it is almost always He. Again, the culture from which the religion comes.
You still can't argue with a dream.
or
Gravity . . . It's not just a concept. It's the LAW!
or
Gravity . . . It's not just a concept. It's the LAW!
Re: Indoctrination
MajGenl.Meade wrote:I don't "keep it around". And I should have said the alternative was no adequate response at all. Sorry about that but thanks for filling the voidrubato wrote:If you don't follow the OT anymore why keep it around?MajGenl.Meade wrote:Such as....? (he asked, expecting a bunch of Old Testament stuff back)
yrs,
rubato
But you dismissed in advance any references to OT as being valueless. Non-probative.
Or is it that you know you selectively ignore the OT when it contradicts your prejudices and practices and have no rationale for doing so which is not intellectually embarrassing.
yrs,
rubato
-
MajGenl.Meade
- Posts: 21199
- Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:51 am
- Location: Groot Brakrivier
- Contact:
Re: Indoctrination
Oh, can you quote my post that said OT references are valueless? Thought not.
What I wrote is that I expect Gob to quote OT... and then I amended that to "or nothing at all" because he prefers to issue a blanket statement and then provide nothing to back it
I certainly didn't expect him to quote the NT but that might be interesting too
Oh, and you're welcome
What I wrote is that I expect Gob to quote OT... and then I amended that to "or nothing at all" because he prefers to issue a blanket statement and then provide nothing to back it
I certainly didn't expect him to quote the NT but that might be interesting too
Oh, and you're welcome
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
Re: Indoctrination
MajGenl.Meade wrote:Oh, can you quote my post that said OT references are valueless? Thought not.
What I wrote is that I expect Gob to quote OT... and then I amended that to "or nothing at all" because he prefers to issue a blanket statement and then provide nothing to back it
I certainly didn't expect him to quote the NT but that might be interesting too
Oh, and you're welcome
That is what you implied here:
MajGenl.Meade wrote:
Such as....? (he asked, expecting a bunch of Old Testament stuff back)
And I copied it three times now.
Your intention appears to be to dismiss OT references in advance. why else use the phrasing "bunch of Old Testament stuff" bunch? Stuff? Is the OT just "bunch of stuff" to you. Not so important?
Rules for Jews to follow and you to selectively ignore?
yrs,
rubato
-
MajGenl.Meade
- Posts: 21199
- Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:51 am
- Location: Groot Brakrivier
- Contact:
Re: Indoctrination
Then you incorrectly divined my intention. Jesus was a Jew - I follow him. Not very well a lot of the time, mind
If you think Christianity is full of hypocrites, I agree and advise that there's always room for one more
If you think Christianity is full of hypocrites, I agree and advise that there's always room for one more
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
Re: Indoctrination
MajGenl.Meade wrote:Then you incorrectly divined my intention. Jesus was a Jew - I follow him. Not very well a lot of the time, mind
If you think Christianity is full of hypocrites, I agree and advise that there's always room for one more
So you admit I was correct but cannot do so directly so you change the subject.
yrs,
rubato